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Keith Reed

climber
Johnson county TX
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 30, 2017 - 10:12am PT
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900004847/report-president-trump-will-cut-bears-ears-by-85-percent.html



thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 30, 2017 - 10:23am PT
can a brother get a map?

the fixed anchor ban kinda keeps the riffraff out and all, but....America just iznt America if a man can't drive wherever his entropy wagon will take him.


a thought:
These leaders first come to power through democratic elections and subsequently harness widespread discontent to gradually undermine institutional constraints on their rule, marginalize the opposition, and erode civil society.
-Kendall-Taylor and Frantz
xCon

Social climber
909
Nov 30, 2017 - 10:30am PT
Credit: xCon
couchmaster

climber
Nov 30, 2017 - 11:07am PT

"Bears Ears would be cut from 1.35 million acres to 201,397 acres, and Grand Staircase from nearly 1.9 million acres to 997,490 acres, according to the report."

"According to Hatch, Trump had promised him he would open the Grand Staircase monument to coal mining, which would require removal at least parts of the Kaiparowits Plateau, which contains one of the nationís largest coal deposits."

Map to follow later.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 30, 2017 - 11:29am PT
shit man them's tar sands in that canyonlands too, and real shallow. more than a whole ayrabia's worth just gotta tear out that Wingate overburden. we got plenny of water in the Coloradee for to mine it all.


good jobs too


to the tune of:
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Nov 30, 2017 - 12:46pm PT
Expect a lawsuit. Trump doesn't have any legal authority to alter designations. The relevant piece of legislation, the Antiquities Act of 1906, only gives the president the authority to "designate" monuments. It does not grant any authority to alter or reduce prior designations. Not that this president or the current crop of Republicans care. It is clear that they believe the Judicial branch, though an equal branch of government, should be subservient to the Executive and Legislative branches, hence their current plan to stack the courts with unqualified, republican tools recommended by the Federalist Society.
Don Paul

Mountain climber
Denver CO
Nov 30, 2017 - 01:30pm PT
^ fatdad with all respect, I am doubtful of that legal argument. It's something that could be researched, but it seems to me that the power to designate is the power to un-designate. Presidents often overrule the executive orders of the previous president, and make a show of it.

I went to both of these places in the last year or so. I wouldn't go back to Bears Ears, but Escalante / Grand Staircase is an incredible wilderness you should visit before it gets developed.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Nov 30, 2017 - 01:55pm PT
Don, there was an interesting law review article that discussed the issue (103 Virginia Law Review Online 55(2017)). There have been cases in the fed courts, including the U.S. Supreme Court, challenging the establishment of monuments and parks, where the court sided with the broad, creation language of the Act. I understand that good attorneys can gain traction with all kinds of interesting arguments, but there appears to be no precedent for what Trump is proposing.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Nov 30, 2017 - 03:46pm PT
???


v v v v
bit'er ol' guy

climber
the past
Nov 30, 2017 - 03:49pm PT
just another turd-in-a-bag thread
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Nov 30, 2017 - 03:57pm PT
It won't happen. . .at least for a good while.
It will be tied up in court for a good long time, maybe going
all the way to the Supreme Court to decide the issue.
Get your popcorn. . .
cornel

climber
Lake Tahoe, Nevada
Nov 30, 2017 - 04:08pm PT
Just more playing to his ever shrinking base. The Insane Clown President... anointed leader of the Black Cavalry of American Commerce.. hopefully The Environmental Defense Fund is up to the task
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Nov 30, 2017 - 05:28pm PT
Not worried about the threat to cut. Lawsuits will be filed. Twimpy is just stirring sh#t up.


Focus on the real deal, tax cuts for the ultra wealthy and S-corps to the detriment of the national debt which will require the next administration (not likely GOP) to have to raise taxes and look like the bad guy for all prior administrations that have been spending willy and wildly!
deuce4

climber
Hobart, Australia
Nov 30, 2017 - 09:26pm PT
maps here. https://wilderness.org/resource/maps-boundary-modifications-bears-ears-and-grand-staircase-escalante-national-monuments

The black outline is current, the hatched area is the leaked proposed plan, apparently it has been revised since the leak.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 1, 2017 - 06:44am PT
Might as well make the entire country a monument. The acreage involved was major overkill.

Obama setting aside millions of acres as he did adversely affected far more people than Trump cutting the acreage down a bit will.
stevep

Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
Dec 1, 2017 - 07:44am PT
Bear's Ears was actually pretty close in size to the Public Lands Initiative proposal that was created by by Utah GOP representatives.

https://medium.com/westwise/in-defense-of-bears-ears-national-monument-eb896127ded0

Bears Ears specifically excluded some potential uranium mining areas.
Basically this is largely being done because some on the far right didn't like anything that Obama did, and now want to undo it.
Climberdude

Trad climber
Clovis, CA
Dec 1, 2017 - 07:48am PT
^^^^ Yes, it seems that some in the right wing have a list of every action that Obama took that they want to reverse. This is not going to happen. Lawsuits will stop this and if there is any action, there will be mass occupations and lockdowns to stop any action. The Dump admin is so full of shit!
stevep

Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
Dec 1, 2017 - 09:55am PT
And Jody, seems to me I recall you being a pretty good photographer, and that I really liked some of your photos of the east side of the Sierras. How would you feel if there was a bunch of oil and gas rigs, and perhaps an open pit mine or two that popped up in some of those?
bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Dec 1, 2017 - 10:03am PT
Mungeclimber for the win. The tax shell game Repubs now breathlessly ramming through will create even more red ink but will conveniently be left to the next Demo majority to fix. Always nice to know grownups will arrive to clean up after you...
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Dec 1, 2017 - 01:44pm PT
Basically this is largely being done because some on the far right didn't like anything that Obama did, and now want to undo it.
Exactly. While the right was referred to as the "party of no" during the Obama presidency because of their constant opposition to any democrat-sponsored piece of legislation, etc., it has since become pretty clear they have no agenda other than opposing or, now, undoing anything touched by Obama, regardless of its merit or benefit to the American public.

I also agree with munge. There has been so much distraction created by Trump's inane tweets and statements that it has diverted a good many away from the destruction to environmental regulations, the EPA, and now the tax code. We now have a government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich.
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