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Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 2, 2017 - 01:33pm PT
SteveP...I am not concerned about it because it won't happen. It isn't going to happen in the scenic areas of Bear's Ears either. In fact, I doubt if any of you notice any changes in the areas you are likely to frequent.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Dec 2, 2017 - 02:05pm PT
Obama setting aside millions of acres as he did adversely affected far more people than Trump cutting the acreage down a bit will.

more talk radio/faux news spiel.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 2, 2017 - 02:11pm PT
I don't listen to talk radio and I don't watch Fox News...try again. Just common sense at work, something you can't relate to.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 2, 2017 - 05:58pm PT
Jody prognosticating on the future of strangers. love it. make sure to shake up the magic eightball every now and then dude.

this is my turf not yours Jody, so I suppose your ass may be your hat
Krease

Gym climber
the inferno
Dec 2, 2017 - 06:09pm PT
why is Donald drumpf such a stupid piece of shyt? why is ryan zinke the head of the department of the interior. how many petitions were sent to this oil and mining shill begging him to reconsider the designation of bear's ears? these people, along with that fuk scott Pruitt, are environmental marauders who need to be kicked out on their a55es.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Dec 2, 2017 - 06:21pm PT
Krease...don't worry ...they'll end up like that kook Watts....Gone and forgotten...
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 2, 2017 - 08:13pm PT
how many petitions were sent

Don't worry, they are not wasted. They will be the basis of enhanced IRS scrutiny and deletion from voting roles. Thanks for the information.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Dec 2, 2017 - 11:08pm PT
Trump had promised him he would open the Grand Staircase monument to coal mining.


Trump is the Steampunk President.

He'll be frothing for hydrogen gas dirigibles pretty soon. And also diesel submarines.
maddog69

Trad climber
CO
Dec 3, 2017 - 08:18am PT
Rob Bishop introduced HR 3990 two months ago. It could pass before the end of year but IT WILL PASS.


The bill rewrites the Antiquities Act to remove any of the legal roadbloacks to elimination of public lands as mentioned in this thread.


One likely big picture pathway is that they will centralize all public federal lands and start reducing them. Generally using as a template the centralization of federal law enforcement they accomplished under Bush with the creation of DHS.


In any case the legal arguements are moot - They own the three branches so they can do whatever they want.


The greatest (and imho the darkest) sea shift in American political history occured when Trump got elected and they retained control of congress: It is naive to pretend otherwise.

The Internationally financed Republicans won kids, unequivocally and irreversibly. Protests mean nothing, other than if you participate you will get flagged into the security monitoring system. (They really, really, really don`t care if you tele . . .)


These interests have been fighting since watergate to get to this point, it is a long complex dynamic but the bottom line is they are not going to soften, cave, relent or yield their power anytime soon.

c wilmot

climber
Dec 3, 2017 - 09:13am PT
They have actually been fighting for this since FDR was forced to throw some scraps at the masses with his implementation of the new deal programs

The violent mass protests that led to such actions during the Great Depression have largely been scrubbed from public record...

This is quite bi partisan- it's why obama kept adding monuments even after trump had been elected

The whole right vs left is just silly theatre to distract an increasingly gullible public into thinking you have some form of control- you don't. And you never will

maddog69

Trad climber
CO
Dec 3, 2017 - 09:43am PT
When I reference Watergate my intention was to highlight that it is in many case the very same actual people who have been pursuing these agenda frameworks.

Fox News, for example, was originally going to be the White House official press network run from the Oval Office - Roger Ailles was on Nixon's commo team.


Donald Trump, in another example, was the funding source who bought the first arms shipments delivered to the (currently still in power) Iraninan Islamic revolutionaries, paying them in arms so that they would not release American hostages while a Democrat was President, thus sabotaging an election and kick starting the Iran Contra scandals..


My point being that in some aspects this is not about historical left vs right ideology. (The public land uses they are radicalizing here, for extraction industry and cattle grazing, are flat-out socialism under their rules.) In other words they are proudly discconnected from any morally or ethically bound historical timelines. This is about obsessions with power, abject greeed and hatred for anyone who has ever stood in their way.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Dec 3, 2017 - 02:48pm PT
The humble pit toilet shall now be called "The Zinke"

Humboldt Environmentalists Hold Unofficial Ceremony to Rename Vault Toilets After Trump’s Secretary of the Interior Ryan Zinke, Encourage Public to Take a ‘Stinky Zinke’ In His Honor

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2017/sep/30/humboldt-environmentalists-hold-unofficial-ceremon/

stevep

Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
Dec 3, 2017 - 03:10pm PT
Jody
SteveP...I am not concerned about it because it won't happen. It isn't going to happen in the scenic areas of Bear's Ears either. In fact, I doubt if any of you notice any changes in the areas you are likely to frequent.

Well, I was down in the Dead Horse Point area outside of Moab two months ago. The number of rigs there has certainly multiplied. Including some lit up at night interfering with photos I wanted to shoot. I wouldn't frankly be all that surprised to see some of that creep into the Bear's Ears area.

And the Kaiparowits Plateau in GSNM has been a major target for coal mining. That is one of the reasons it was protected in the first place. And you're right, at the current price and technology level for coal mining, it probably won't be developed. But if that's the case, why not leave the monument the way it is instead of promising extractive industry jobs?
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 3, 2017 - 07:15pm PT
SL tribune.  no kaiparowitz coal!
SL tribune. no kaiparowitz coal!
Credit: thebravecowboy
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Dec 3, 2017 - 08:39pm PT
In other words they are proudly discconnected from any morally or ethically bound historical timelines. This is about obsessions with power, abject greeed and hatred for anyone who has ever stood in their way.

Fortunately such ideological paradigms ultimately do not succeed; The current manifestation is skating on extremely thin ice.
Keith Reed

climber
Johnson county TX
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2017 - 06:41am PT
It seems like it’s simple asset stripping from the American people.

If it was so valuable before then why had no one developed the oil/gas/other assets before?
Remoteness, lack of industrial quantities of water, not recoverable at market price? All of this I suspect.

Why should we sell it for developers at low to record low (for coal) prices ?

How have the above problems been avoided?

Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Dec 4, 2017 - 07:22am PT
Native Americans not happy with the orange sh1t gibbon . The Guardian used a picture of Bridger Jack and North Sixshooter, the caption calls it "Anasazi Family rock formations


[url="//https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/04/native-american-alliance-bears-ears-trump?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+USA+-+Collections+2017&utm_term=255186&subid=19637531&CMP=GT_US_collection"]//https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/04/native-american-alliance-bears-ears-trump?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+USA+-+Collections+2017&utm_term=255186&subid=19637531&CMP=GT_US_collection[/url]
Mike Friedrichs

Sport climber
City of Salt
Dec 4, 2017 - 07:37am PT


Robbie stole the show at the protest on Saturday. What an inspiring little kid!
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 4, 2017 - 08:54am PT
What's wrong with public/congressional input/environmental reviews BEFORE establishing these huge monuments?
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 4, 2017 - 08:54am PT
From outsideonline:
"Theodore Roosevelt signed the Antiquities Act in 1906 to help protect Native American sites from looting. The act gives the president the power to declare structures, landmarks, and places “of historic or scientific interest that are situated upon the lands owned or controlled by the Government of the United States” national monuments. Because doing so requires no congressional consensus, public input, or environmental review, it’s essentially a quick and easy way to protect large swaths of land instead of obtaining congressional approval to create a national park, which can be very difficult."

It would appear to me that the purpose of the AA of 1906 was to be able to protect specific, significant areas, not huge swaths of land. I think that Obama using this for huge swaths of land is going to eventually backfire for the environmentalists as it as it will likely result in the severe scaling back of use of the AA. It will probably result in a narrow definition of the AA and will actually reduce the use of the AA in the future.

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