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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Apr 12, 2017 - 03:21pm PT
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and because of the drive, it keeps the riff raff out.
The last time I went up to Holcomb the place was full on mobbed. And the sound effects were great.
"C'mon man you got this!"
"Sh*t. This was easy last time!"
"NO!! Reach up left hand first. Just get your right foot on the knob, then reach!"
"When I say take, I mean TAKE! Now I have to do those moves all over again!"
"What do I do now? Untie and lower?"
Sorry Steve, I'm half kidding but I couldn't help myself. Willy was a zoo often enough too...
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Apr 12, 2017 - 03:40pm PT
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Spider.... come on!!!! That place is TOTAL CHOSS. I have had to almost carry Yafer out cause a watermelon size boulder rolled out of his two hands and almost decapitated his kneecap, and Levi got smacked on the head by a cantaloupe size rock, causing the blood to flow......
if your brave enuf to go, bring a construction helmet and football shoulder pads......for climbing and by gods sake use a grigri, cause if you bean your belayer you can survive.
total choss
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Apr 12, 2017 - 03:59pm PT
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I saw the access fund completely drop the ball on this issue...
Access Fund, USFS and CBD did a site visit to Williamson yesterday, while you were sitting here posting your usual brand of disinformation.
Curt
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Apr 12, 2017 - 04:02pm PT
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So Curt..... lets see if anything gets done. It has been about 10+ years.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Apr 12, 2017 - 04:28pm PT
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I drove by the site walk through group in the parking lot at Willy yesterday, half of them looked like they just went to REI and bought all new hiking gear just for the occasion, didn't look too outdoorsy too me, probably the CBD folks.
On a side note I took a friend of mine to the Tunnel crag yesterday who donates annually to the CBD and believes in what they are doing. We stopped at a pull out and I showed him the area closed and stream. Without prompting he said, "why can't they just make the streamed off limits? I don't see how climbing on the rest of the rock would harm the MYF". Hmmm..... seems common sense to me.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Apr 12, 2017 - 05:07pm PT
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Everyone knew about the "meeting" curt. BFD.
More BS brought to you by the usual suspects.
These actors are playing the game and the CBD makes the rules.
Fuk those guys.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Apr 12, 2017 - 06:19pm PT
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Sorry Steve, I'm half kidding but I couldn't help myself. Willy was a zoo often enough too...
Kris, it's because they are gym climbers. :-)
I remember back about 2002. I was meeting friends at Willy. I got there early, and was standing outside my car. There were a lot of people that day. All of a sudden this girl steps out on the road, drops her pants, and takes a piss. Next thing you know a car drives by real slowly, and stares at this girl. The occupants of the car were older. They pulled up to me, and asked me what all the people were doing there. I told them that more than likely they were rock climbing at Williamson Rock.
I don't know if these people were hikers, Sierra Cllub members, or knew what Williamson Rock was.
My point is that if you connect the dots, there are reasons that people want to keep Williamson closed.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Apr 12, 2017 - 06:44pm PT
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Way to generalize 10b.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 12, 2017 - 07:18pm PT
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if the access fund people were there, they never told me about it. they know how i feel about it, and i gave them a pretty good backgrounding when we had that conference call.
but you see, that's how it's done. special interests, paid lobbyists, secret decisions, no explanations, no public meetings. a few "leaders"--picked by the government--telling us what to do. need i mention names?
but that leads to one more point which ought to be raised.
they had a sign up there for a few years, "area closed". then it was gone one day and it hasn't been back since. four or five years now, no "area closed" sign.
COULD IT BE THAT THERE IS NO REAL AUTHORITY TO CLOSE THIS AREA?
i've never known the federal government to be shy about putting up "keep out" signs when it has the authority to do so. closing public land is a serious matter. this "closure" was made without any sort of due process or public meetings that i can recall. it was done unilaterally, apparently inspired by nothing more than the threat of a lawsuit.
WHY WAS THAT SIGN TAKEN DOWN?
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Apr 12, 2017 - 07:45pm PT
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one must not underestimate the heft of the toad lobby either. self same slimy critters what sprung P. Morris and Co.
I hear the frogs bought off the fed with money from Amphibian Fetish Orgy I and II.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Apr 12, 2017 - 08:38pm PT
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they had a sign up there for a few years, "area closed". then it was gone one day and it hasn't been back since. four or five years now, no "area closed" sign.
COULD IT BE THAT THERE IS NO REAL AUTHORITY TO CLOSE THIS AREA?
i've never known the federal government to be shy about putting up "keep out" signs when it has the authority to do so. closing public land is a serious matter. this "closure" was made without any sort of due process or public meetings that i can recall. it was done unilaterally, apparently inspired by nothing more than the threat of a lawsuit.
The most recent closure "started" a few weeks ago and goes through 12/31/2018. I don't know anything about the sign.
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd536828.pdf
Curt
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 12, 2017 - 10:39pm PT
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but you see, that's how it's done. special interests, paid lobbyists, secret decisions, no explanations, no public meetings. a few "leaders"--picked by the government--telling us what to do. need i mention names?
How it's done is by having rational conversations based on the law, science, court rulings, policy and regulations. When climbers are emotional, hopped up and spewing conspiratorial nonsense they tend to not get invited to those discussions. Again, let the AF do their thing - representing our interests is what they do and they do it well.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Apr 13, 2017 - 06:18am PT
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Yeah Tony- Love to see you post again BTW :)
A few years after the closure I ended up sitting a dinner party. The guy next to me after a while sheepishly fesses up that he's one of the YLMF researchers up there after Willi came up in conversation.
I asked him about his research. He says that what they discovered was that introduced fish,bullfrogs and fungus were actually the main culprit with all native frog species declining. He also stated that between the fire and drought the Williamson population was gone. ;(
I'm generally pro-critter but this is getting ridiculous.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Apr 13, 2017 - 06:39am PT
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Hey, Maidy:
Well, shouldn't this settle it?
He also stated that between the fire and drought the Williamson population was gone. ;(
RIP froggy, but what the hell? Does the AF know about this? What possible rationale do they have to continue the closure? The frog might come back? Maybe these folks should be looking for other surviving populations. Gah.
BAd
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Apr 13, 2017 - 06:50am PT
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Upsetting to me that there's so much dislike for the Center for Biological Diversity.
After all, isn't it the CBD that's filed suits demanding MYLF recovery/management plans from the government agencies?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 13, 2017 - 07:07am PT
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Nothing pissed me off more than when some mamby-pamby, fancy pants scientist wouldn't let me take my shift down in the mine just because some little f*#king canary died.
TimidTopeRope understands the issue.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Apr 13, 2017 - 07:30am PT
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drljefe:
Upsetting to me that there's so much dislike for the Center for Biological Diversity.
After all, isn't it the CBD that's filed suits demanding MYLF recovery/management plans from the government agencies?
These lawsuits waste taxpayer money and make the CBD rich. You may have a different opinion when your local crag is closed due to endangered sand fleas.
Gary
Apr 13, 2017 - 07:07am PT
Nothing pissed me off more than when some mamby-pamby, fancy pants scientist wouldn't let me take my shift down in the mine just because some little f*#king canary died.
TimidTopeRope understands the issue.
Timiidtoprope obviously advocates for the closure of Williamson.
As do you and many others here. You all have the right to your own opinion.
The closure of WR is a drag but, the bigger and more important issue is the growth of the CBD with it's misguided values.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Apr 13, 2017 - 07:40am PT
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Sandfleas lol.
If sandfleas were an indicator species and my shitty crag were their southernmost habitat, I'd respect the closure.
Fortunately, I have a lot more, and a lot better crags than Williamson.
:-)
Sorry your cliff is bogged down in government apathy- I was just saying that I thought the CBD suit was filed to force action, one way or another.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Apr 13, 2017 - 07:46am PT
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Sorry your cliff is bogged down in government apathy- I was just saying that I thought the CBD suit was filed to force action, one way or another.
The lawsuit was filed to keep humans out of the area.
Like I said, the more important issue is the growth of this litigious, black mailing group of lawyers that is the Center for Biological Diversity.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Apr 13, 2017 - 07:56am PT
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Lie ^^^
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