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monolith
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state of being
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Nov 21, 2018 - 07:04pm PT
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We know the science consensus studies suck for you and those denier blogs, Sketch, and we understand your frustration with them.
Any of you drive a vehicle that is powered by biodiesel?
Seen at the Pinnacles last weekend.
Here's a pic of it from 2011
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Nov 21, 2018 - 07:50pm PT
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is there a bear attraction problem associated with biodiesel?
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Nov 21, 2018 - 09:25pm PT
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Seen at the Pinnacles last weekend.
Is the white German prolechariot yours, or just another Franciscan who frequents the same places as you?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Nov 22, 2018 - 05:50am PT
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Minerals,I use http://www.buffalobiodiesel.com/biodiesel.php in two different vehicles.
The Times article you posted is telling for sure.
Deforestation is a huge climate problem and if we are helping fund that a world away,well that is terrible.
I know BBD uses a lot of reclaimed oils from restaurants and food service industries in general,but I now must find out about palm oil.
I have some homework to do.
I do know one thing though and that is BBD is making inroads into Hemp.
Permits for Hemp farming are now happening over here and Hemp makes good BD.
Not only that but Hemp can help fallow lands(I live on a fallow potato farm) revive and is a fantastic rotational crop.
Thanks for posting Minerals.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Nov 22, 2018 - 06:15am PT
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Minerals, saw it on a climbing trip to the pinnacles last sunday, then did a google search to learn more about it and found the other pic.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Nov 22, 2018 - 07:38pm PT
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Glad the NYT article is helpful. I found it to be quite interesting. Thanks for your biodiesel link, wilbeer.
Understood, monolith.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Nov 23, 2018 - 09:04am PT
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Minerals ,I made a phone call this morning.
It turns out BBD estimates less than 2% of their Fuel is created with palm oil.
The reason being ,Palm oil is used in some food service production facilities,beyond their control. They would prefer it not used and have turned away much of it as waste.
They ,with certainty ,do not want it for all the right reasons.
They also pointed out that we grow corn,soybeans and now even Hemp,they want to keep these markets as stable as possible.
Evidently,Palm oil is not used in restaurants over here. It is used by some commercial baking companies. It is also used by soap and shampoo makers.
So ,yes ,we use palm oil here ,but,according to BBD ,it is not sought after for reclaimation.
Afterwards ,some searching uncovered that the US uses about 2-3% of the worlds Palm Oil,not nothing ,but,far from overuse.
The good news is these are trees and proper management can be achieved.
I support that goal.
edit;Maybe the best way forward to reduce use at the end consumer position is to check with your fuel suppliers ,get informed. Research the products you use,soaps,shampoos ,how your bread is made,even penut butter and chocolates.
I am.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 23, 2018 - 11:12am PT
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Until the left starts taking modern nuclear power seriously, as well as embracing full-on activism toward vegetarianism, I just can't take seriously all the hand-wringing and demands for legislative/punitive "solutions."
One does NOT have to be a denier to reject the "solutions" pushed by most people on this thread and across the "do something NOW" community.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Nov 23, 2018 - 11:32am PT
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Loosely related, apparently (lib)science now sees gender as lying along a spectrum. If I refuse to believe this does it make me a "science denier?" or simply a blasphemer?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 23, 2018 - 11:43am PT
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^^^ +10
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 23, 2018 - 01:26pm PT
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/23/us-climate-report-warns-of-dire-changes-by-2050-1012628
Federal scientists warned in a new report Friday that changes in the climate will disrupt the economies of every region in the country in the coming years, with costs threatening to reach hundreds of billions of dollars annually by the middle of this century.
The message, echoing decades of sobering conclusions from the world's leading climate scientists, is at odds with President Donald Trump's repeated scoffing at the idea of global warming. And the administration chose to release it on Black Friday, the busiest shopping day and one of the slowest news days of the year.
By the time this sh#t hits the fan, Trump will be worm food in his grave, with decades of piss stains all over his headstone.
(Snark intended)
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 23, 2018 - 01:37pm PT
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Madbolter, since when do you have more than one voice? +10???
I’m for nuclear energy.
Since when do you get to decide what the "+" refers to???
For me, it's an enthusiasm rating, not a "voice" rating. LOL
Being "for" nuclear energy is NOT the same thing as contacting your Dem congresscritter to tell them: "As long as the US burns coal for most of its energy production, 'alternative' energy, like solar, etc. will produce more greenhouse gasses than they will 'save' over their useful life. So, getting onto mostly nuclear sooner than later is TOP priority!"
And are you "for" vegetarianism? Have you put YOUR money where your mouth is?
See, until libs DO what will make a difference NOW and in the short term, and settle on policies that really WILL make a huge long-term difference, such as getting us onto nuclear energy asap, I have ZERO sympathy for their suggested punitive measures that don't actually solve the underlying problems, primary of which is that we mostly burn coal to generate electricity.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Nov 23, 2018 - 01:47pm PT
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I suggest you get a better handle on what solar and wind can do,and their amount of carbon neutrality/mitigation. Same with BD.
You sound like Rush,how many checks do you get from Big Oil?
I can get behind some nuclear.
Attacking somebody that is lowering their carbon footprint,is that the new conservatism?
Really.
Their are people who are actually trying to make a difference. It is funny that you mentioned libs and Dems,full well knowing they are the only ones willing to act on any of this.....HS.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Nov 23, 2018 - 02:25pm PT
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Part of the reason nothing is getting done is that libs and leftists take perfectly good, valid science and “hysterify” it toward their political ends. Just one example, 2017 has come and gone—and Himalayan glaciers haven’t disappeared as once predicted. Predicted not by scientists, but by political bodies and dupes more interested in power than solutions to a very serious problem.
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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Nov 23, 2018 - 02:38pm PT
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Case in point - Climate preachers like Al Gore, and his ilk who fly in private jets.
I mean, at least take first class and spread your emissions so pound per seat-mile is moderated...
If you don't lead by example, much of the populace is not going to take the problem seriously.
" Their are people who are actually trying to make a difference. It is funny that you mentioned libs and Dems,full well knowing they are the only ones willing to act on any of this.....HS. "
You have no idea how untrue that statement is... Many of us who lead companies quietly make change that has a positive effect effect on the climate and environment. While George Clooney and Al Gore jet set around and tell everyone how to live.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 23, 2018 - 03:10pm PT
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Until the left starts taking modern nuclear power seriously,
Do not blame the left for the nuclear debacle in this country. We left it up to private industry (GE, Westinghouse and their ilk) to implement nuclear power, because oh the horror if the government got into it (like France successfully did).
Instead of power "so cheap to produce that we will not have to meter it" we ended up with the most expensive power ever produced. I guess you could parrot the old talking point that there was too much regulation, but the evidence is that there was not enough regulation. The problem nuclear power now has is that solar is so cheap to implement and there are no unknowns. Once we figure out how to store power efficiently nuclear will be completely obsolete.
Just saw a new report that climate change will shrink the economy, thanks for doing nothing Trump. We need a leader who thinks about the future and not the bottom line of the next quarter.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 23, 2018 - 03:25pm PT
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Do not blame the left for the nuclear debacle in this country.
No, I do. For decades the left has run in terror from nuclear power, as well as hydro power. Only when the left becomes convinced that it's already too late does it start to admit that we are going to have to get serious about changing how the US generates electricity. NOW, decades later, finally there's a BIT of talk like, "I could get behind SOME nuclear," like "some" means a little. No, we need a SEA CHANGE in energy production, and sooner than later, and a LOT not a little.
What the real HS is is that we should have been on nuclear in place of coal/natural-gas for decades now. It does take more energy to make a solar panel than that panel will typically generate over its useful life. So, if that energy comes from burning coal, that panel is a net GHG loss. BUT, if that panel was made from nuclear energy or hydro power, then it's a net GHG gain.
And sweeping vegetarianism in the US would have a dramatic effect on GHG. So, as I said, until you libs start changing your individual lifestyles on the basis of what can make a real difference, I'm not sympathetic AT ALL with punitive measures!
ALL of you should become vegetarians, and excuses on that point are all hollow. Don't propose to penalize me or my company for energy usage, the production of which I have ZERO direct control over, while you support the cattle industry, which does heinous direct damage as well as mows down massive acreage of rain forest each and every day to make room for more cattle ranching.
Vote with your OWN consumption before you penalize others in sweeping fashion. And GET to your congresscritter regarding nuclear energy. And you'll quickly find that it's your DEM congresscritters that are most resistant to the idea.
And, while you're at it, how about a BLUE WAVE of news articles condemning leftists from Gore to Oprah to movie stars to... well, you get the picture. These supposed libs are libs in name only. They are mega-consumers, and they are ALSO the 1% you claim to decry. Oprah by herself could solve the homeless problem in Kalifornia, if only she put HER lib money where her lib mouth is. But she's all about: "I got mine, now let's tax the middle class to solve these problems." Jim Carrey, same way. ALL of 'em.
Liberal hypocrisy! Put your OWN lifestyle where your mouth is first!
Edit:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301421516301379
By contrast, one Dutch study says that we're about at "break even" globally, but that study contemplates, well, globally. In the USA, where our energy is mostly fossil-fuel generated, solar is not near "break even." So, we must think about how WE in the USA prioritize various energy sources. Nuclear is FAR from "obsolete."
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Nov 23, 2018 - 03:36pm PT
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I can get behind some nuclear.
We already have some nuclear. How much more could you get behind? Sorry, but solar and wind are weaksauce.
Their are people who are actually trying to make a difference. There.
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Nov 23, 2018 - 03:41pm PT
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Nobody ever brings up the chief cause and solution for climate change because, perish the thought...there’s too many people and the solution is to stop having more than 0-2 kids per family. Nobody wants to be told to curb their reproductive enthusiasm or be asked to do it, lest it piss a lot of folks off.
I’m guessing some here will be angry I brought it up. Probably the worst biblical verse not to be discarded by the modern world was, “be fruitful and multiply!” to bad the idea wasn’t confined to just basic math.
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