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john hansen
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Nov 18, 2018 - 08:12pm PT
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Is there a way to create energy from carbon with out burning it?
A simple question.
I doubt that it can be done.
I think the human race is in for some rough times ahead, we keep polluting and degrading every environment we touch.
The sea's abundance and coral reefs are already going down hill.
Like the buffalo, human's exploit everything they can until there are no more.
There is already a mass extinction event going on and it is caused by mankind and global warming.
I live in Hawaii and 70% of the endemic birds have gone extinct
So much land in the world is being cleared for things like palm oil farms, and altered from it's original state . some day maybe we will figure it out but until then.
Migration pathways are blocked by freeways , where cars and trucks spew more carbon onto the air.
The Polar bears are suffering from too little ice , the walrus's are suffering too,,crowding on shore when usually they're out on the ice.
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Bad Climber
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Nov 19, 2018 - 07:48am PT
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While not perfect, the polar bear sitch isn't too bad, with WWF listing only one area where populations are decreasing. Most areas are stable and a couple are increasing. Some very large areas are basically unknown/un-surveyed.
https://arcticwwf.org/species/polar-bear/population/
Chill the 'eff out. This is not an argument against climate change. Jeez! Just pointing out some info.
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EdwardT
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Nov 20, 2018 - 04:17pm PT
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The Polar bears are suffering from too little ice , the walrus's are suffering too,,crowding on shore when usually they're out on the ice.
Most polar bear populations are healthy. At least the ones being monitored.
Not sure where you got your information on Walruses. I couldn't find any info about their climate-related suffering.
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Bad Climber
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Nov 20, 2018 - 05:22pm PT
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Interesting about insurance, Malemute. There is a similar problem in flood prone areas in parts of the US, but idiot politicians decided the gov't should insure what no one else would, so the tax payer helps to rebuild in areas that simply shouldn't have any homes. I listened to a podcast--Planet Money, I believe--that described one homeowner who has rebuilt--get this--about 15 times over the years! Effin' insane. Maybe insurance shouldn't be available for extreme flood or fire zone, unless, of course, private companies are willing to supply it--at a price, no doubt.
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Toker Villain
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Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 20, 2018 - 07:31pm PT
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When I flew over the Rockies last month I was shocked to see the lack of snow.
Never mind the lawns of suburban Colorado, there won't be enough to drink if this keeps up.
And agriculture?
How long before the famine riots.
I have my own well, few neighbors (and they all keep a year's food in reserve)
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August West
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Where the wind blows strange
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Nov 21, 2018 - 10:17am PT
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How long before the famine riots.
I have my own well, few neighbors (and they all keep a year's food in reserve)
Having a few weeks of food around at all times seems like a good idea. But I always wonder about the ones that have a year's supply. After the year is up, the grocery stores are going to open back up? They expect to be sufficient in subsistence farming after a year?
And famine riots is the correct description. Do they think everyone who doesn't have food is going to quietly starve? I would expect gangs of men to go door-to-door stealing food at gunpoint. The cops/sheriffs/national guard would probably make the most powerful gangs, unless, of course, there is a military base nearby.
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monolith
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Nov 21, 2018 - 01:34pm PT
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https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/68/4/281/4644513
Abstract: Increasing surface temperatures, Arctic sea-ice loss, and other evidence of anthropogenic global warming (AGW) are acknowledged by every major scientific organization in the world. However, there is a wide gap between this broad scientific consensus and public opinion. Internet blogs have strongly contributed to this consensus gap by fomenting misunderstandings of AGW causes and consequences. Polar bears (Ursus maritimus) have become a “poster species” for AGW, making them a target of those denying AGW evidence. Here, focusing on Arctic sea ice and polar bears, we show that blogs that deny or downplay AGW disregard the overwhelming scientific evidence of Arctic sea-ice loss and polar bear vulnerability. By denying the impacts of AGW on polar bears, bloggers aim to cast doubt on other established ecological consequences of AGW, aggravating the consensus gap. To counter misinformation and reduce this gap, scientists should directly engage the public in the media and blogosphere.
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EdwardT
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Nov 21, 2018 - 02:02pm PT
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Although the effects of warming on some polar-bear subpopulations are not yet documented and other subpopulations are apparently still faring well, the fundamental relationship between polar-bear welfare and sea-ice availability is well established, and unmitigated AGW assures that all polar bears ultimately will be negatively affected
Good stuff.
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monolith
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Nov 21, 2018 - 02:03pm PT
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Funny, Sketch, your cherry picked spinning does not match the science-based consensus that polar bears are threatened.
Good stuff.
Although the effects of warming on some polar-bear subpopulations are not yet documented
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EdwardT
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Nov 21, 2018 - 03:45pm PT
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monolith
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Nov 21, 2018 - 02:03pm PT
Funny, Sketch, your cherry picked spinning does not match the science-based consensus that polar bears are threatened.
Cherry picked spinning? The plight of the polar bears is a major part of the study.
Too bad the reality of polar bear populations doesn't seem to support the science-based consensus that polar bears are threatened.
Or perhaps you can show which polar bears sub-populations are suffering due to global warming.
If you're game, we can bet on whether or not Southern Beaufort Sea population is still declining when the next survey comes out.
I was just pointing out the authors disclaimer. It's pretty funny. Almost as funny (not ha ha) that this "study" is a peer-reviewed study, published in science journal.
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Bad Climber
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Nov 21, 2018 - 04:15pm PT
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Notable, however, is virtually a majority of the area NOT surveyed or poorly understood. There's a lot not known here re. polar bear pops. I can't imagine a more difficult survey given the many many thousands of square miles to cover.
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monolith
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Nov 21, 2018 - 05:42pm PT
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I'll go with the science consensus as shown in that article, Sketch.
Sea ice is declining and threatening polar bear survival.
Somehow you've deluded yourself that you know better.
Good for you, Sketch.
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EdwardT
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Nov 21, 2018 - 05:53pm PT
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Yeah. You stick with generalities. Same old same old.
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monolith
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Nov 21, 2018 - 05:57pm PT
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You can find the answers with Google, Sketch.
Give it a try and post back with the evidence that the overwhelming consensus that sea ice habitat is declining and polar bears are threatened is wrong.
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EdwardT
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Nov 21, 2018 - 06:07pm PT
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The polar bear population is healthy.
See above.
Derp
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monolith
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Nov 21, 2018 - 06:17pm PT
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LOL, that single chart destroys the consensus that polar bears are threatened by sea ice loss.
Keep on tilting at windmills (and name calling), Sketch.
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EdwardT
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Nov 21, 2018 - 07:03pm PT
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You keep pushing scientific research showing the horrors of those mean old denier blogs. Oh my! This is where climate research funding is being spent?
Sad.
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