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monolith
climber
state of being
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Hope your ok, NWO. Are you having another episode?
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monolith
climber
state of being
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I'd like to leave you alone, but I've got those checks coming in.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Hum, I may have consult with the boss. This seems like a difficult case.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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If you ask me, we are putting "chemicals" into the atmosphere and changing the environment, but nothing to do with the wacky "chemtrails" conspiracy theory. (I think most of the images in my "Photo file" are about climbing, with a few other things mixed in... if that is the criteria for posting here).
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Orrrr, was Lois banned because everything she said went against the grain of the Supertopo echo chamber? What a rebel. Quite a bit of irony with the Lois observation.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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In one sentence you say they're "putting "chemicals" into the atmosphere and changing the environment",
yet in the same sentence you say it has "nothing to do with the wacky "chemtrails" conspiracy theory".
You do know that Ed was referring to CO2 from fossil fuel combustion, don't you?
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Again, try to focus. The article does not say we are spraying now to combat climate change.
There is some research going on and it does not validate your wild lizard people, illuminati, conspiracy theories.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Read the caption, dumbass.
An aircraft tries to seed clouds in Thailand in 2007. Any global dimming effort would require larger aircraft, flying higher in the atmosphere
We seed clouds for rain production.
Even if it was for GW research, it's not a global effort, which is what would be required.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Yes, it is being considered by some scientists.
So what?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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The problem with all such geoengineering schemes and also the problem with the chemtrails nonsense is: scale. Specifically the infrastructure support necessary to scale any such effort to the point where it could be effective to any degree at all let alone be marginally effective.
To even get on the radar of effectiveness you'd need a worldwide infrastructure supporting the effort that would likely consume 5-10% of the combined wealth of all the world's industrialized societies and require decades of infrastructure work to support it.
As it is it's a challenge to predictably supply jet fuel to the all the world's major airports let alone add another side-by-side Wx modification supply chain.
Isn't happening and is never going to happen.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Any bets on whether or not the Trump Admin will allow the Global Climate Report to officially surface?
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Good question. He will not. He can't even water it down as it's already out there.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Airplanes cause far more global warming than any minor effect of their temporary water vapor contrails.
The CO2 exhaust into the stratosphere is very long lived, and it is estimated that this CO2 causes 2-3 times as much greenhouse effect as CO2 at ground level.
The H2O exhaust condensate can have a brief local reflective effect of decreasing the difference between day and night temperatures. (Decreasing daytime temperature and increasing night-time temperature. Also the water is a follower GHG itself. But overall this water vapor effect on average climate is small, quite temporary and quickly disappears into the general water/atmosphere general cycle.
as I posted on Mar 10, http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2899333&msg=2955450#msg2955450
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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The problem with all such geoengineering schemes and also the problem with the chemtrails nonsense is: scale. Specifically the infrastructure support necessary to scale any such effort to the point where it could be effective to any degree at all let alone be marginally effective.
Reducing the amount of sunlight that makes it to the earth's surface perhaps will never be feasible. Although I wouldn't automatically rule it out.
But there are other serious concerns with this approach. The polar regions are warming faster than the tropics. If you cut back the amount of sunlight that hits the earth, but do a better job of trapping that heat (because of C02 and other gasses), there is less temperature difference between the tropics and the polar regions. (The reduction in sunlight affects the tropics more than the polar regions. The increase in heat trapping gasses affects the polar region more than the tropics).
The temperature difference between the tropics and the polar regions is a big driver of the weather. So even if the overall temperature of the planet is held steady, there will still be large changes in weather patterns (i.e., climate change).
So this approach might reduce the total amount of harm, but it is not a fix for "climate change".
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Aug 22, 2017 - 02:13pm PT
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Trump golf course application for massive sea wall - justification is climate change.
http://time.com/4345367/donald-trump-climate-change-golf-course/
"But the environmental-impact statement cited in the Trump Hotel's application relies on facts about global warming presented by governmental scientists. The statement cites an Irish study that says erosion will continue at a steady rate through 2050. “If the predictions of an increase in sea level rise as a result of global warming prove correct, however, it is likely that there will be a corresponding increase in coastal erosion rates not just in Doughmore Bay but around much of the coastline of Ireland," the statement reads."
as the Washington post put it:
"Donald Trump calls global warming a hoax, until it threatens his golf course"
"Former congressman Bob Inglis, a Republican from South Carolina who supports conservative efforts to mitigate global warming, told Politico that the dissonance between Trump’s public stance and his business practice is “diabolical.”
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Aug 24, 2017 - 06:50pm PT
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35 inches of rain forecasted for Texas.
Just thought I would let that settle in.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Aug 28, 2017 - 09:26pm PT
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Way past 30 inches of rain now - talking about it doubling as it heads outer and back in again too...
Think there's any chance of a class action against Exxon ?
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Aug 29, 2017 - 11:44am PT
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The CO2 exhaust into the stratosphere is very long lived, and it is estimated that this CO2 causes 2-3 times as much greenhouse effect as CO2 at ground level.
^^^The pink elephant in the stadium^^^
Stoopid Americans believe it is their right to travel regardless of the actual cost to others or their environment. It is also inline with buying everything from Amazon to save $$$ while that little box of savings gets shipped by air... The above won't change and Americans do not care.
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