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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Apr 27, 2015 - 08:22pm PT
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If only we could have our cake and eat it too.
I feel that naked lady's pain though, if someone tried to dam the Kings or Kaweah I'd probably be building bombs in my basement, and Glen Canyon looked even more outstanding.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Apr 27, 2015 - 08:26pm PT
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Was it Earth First activists that rolled this long crack cloth down Glen Canyon Dam.
It appears to be a evocative image for other artists.
I remember a house-boat filled with explosives as the fantasy in Hayduke Lives?
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Captain...or Skully
climber
Boise, ID
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Apr 27, 2015 - 08:26pm PT
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Lake Foul must be destroyed. Lake Greed, too.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Apr 27, 2015 - 08:32pm PT
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I'm in! Hetch Hetchy too!
And No! to the one they want to build in Long canyon!!
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More Air
Trad climber
S.L.C.
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Apr 27, 2015 - 08:59pm PT
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High water marks have been visible for at least 40 years, that I can remember. Those marks aren't going away anytime soon, especially when you consider the porous nature of the rock. The electric power generated is more than just small towns. If you've ever run the Grand Canyon, you'll know that the water releases from the dam are directly related to the power needs of the city of Phoenix.
The commerce generated by Lake Powell and the city of Page is huge, employing thousands of people, including many Native Americans. 2 of the 5 marinas are owned by them. Wahweap Marina alone has about 900 house boat slips, not to mention all of the motor boats. Just about every beach has a house boat parked there. The beautiful Cathedral Canyon is partially under water.
As a kayaker/river runner it's sad to think of the inundation of Dark Canyon Rapid, farther up stream, but many people now have access via the lake to these canyons...it's both good and bad.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
Boise, ID
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Apr 27, 2015 - 09:02pm PT
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I'm tired of people. Eff 'em. People aren't sacred.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Apr 27, 2015 - 09:04pm PT
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Yes he is sick, but damn, taking Glenn Campbell out is not something I would advocate or condone. Cheney should go first.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 28, 2015 - 07:46am PT
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And the shot that says it all......
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Apr 28, 2015 - 03:28pm PT
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The damage caused by the dam is not limited to the flooded land. Blocking the flow has caused the water temperature downstream to remain constantly cold, rather than vary naturally. It also causes the river to run clear most of the time. These two changes have decimated the native chub. The trout love it, but they are not native.
I don't know about regulating the sediment content downstream, but there are good technologies for regulating the downstream temperature. Pretty ingenious actually. I just learned about it last year when I stopped at the Romero Visitor Center along Highway 152 east of Gilroy:
http://www.water.ca.gov/recreation/locations/sanluis/sanluisvisitor.cfm
Basically, there is a second wall on the inside of the dam with flaps that can be regulated open or closed, and a gap of water there between the two dam walls. By controlling the opening and closing of flaps at different water depths, they control how much deep cold water or surface warm water is passed through, and have a tight control of the outflow temperature that way.
I don't know what it would take to retrofit this technology onto older dams.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 28, 2015 - 04:57pm PT
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The lights would go out in about every Indian reservation and small town without it. That's not nearly correct. All the major power sources in the West are interconnected. Because it's connected to the local transmission line network, Glen Canyon Dam is connected to the Pacific Northwest and Southwest intertie networks.
Share and share alike.
It's a highly redundant system.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Apr 28, 2015 - 05:35pm PT
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The water level is down, what, 100 feet?
That means that this 650 footer is now a 750 footer:
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couchmaster
climber
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Apr 28, 2015 - 05:40pm PT
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God forbid some "horrible" people try and provide the rest of us with plentiful and inexpensive power. I haven't seen any of you whiners turning off your computers. Any of you wonder how those things operate? Here is a small suggestion to help you along the path to knowledge: pull the plug of the computer right outta the wall and then spend a couple days contemplating the hypocrisy. LOL
It's all about trade offs. Any of you traded off yet? Nah, didn't think so, me either. I love having cheap power, refrigerators and computers. Is there a price to pay? Hell yes. We all have chosen to pay it. All of us.
Including you.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 28, 2015 - 05:55pm PT
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Any of you traded off yet? Nah, didn't think so, me either.
Well I have invested in full solar array on two homes in a row, if that counts in your esteemed opinion. I bit the bullet and paid the price, twice.
They ruined an incomparable national treasure when they flooded that place.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 29, 2015 - 06:29am PT
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Yeah, couch,
trade offs are not always a good deal. A little bit of cheap power is not worth destroying what was a breath takingly awesome canyon system with who knows how many anthropological sites.
Surprised you would say it.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 29, 2015 - 07:06am PT
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Yes there are always tradeoffs to be made. I don't know if the Glen Canyon was a good one or not. I'm leaning towards not. Although I have always wanted to do a boating trip there.
For example ..Yosemite Valley would make for an excellent damn. So would parts of the grand canyon or canyonlands. Clearly very stupid ideas.
Was Hetch Hetchy worth it?.. hell no IMO.. we can't even boat there. SanFrancisco may disagree especially with the drought.
Some places shouldn't have a damn.. some places it's a necessary evil.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 29, 2015 - 08:06am PT
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What's the point of all this dam-busting and planning for the future while ignoring the
800 pound gorilla in the room? One child per person, pay-as-you-go instead of tax breaks,
and re-education labor camps re-building the National Parks if you have more than one brat.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 29, 2015 - 08:32am PT
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Good vid eKatInterpMama!!
Yes, he was definitely suggesting a nuclear option, but not anywhere near San Fran I hope!! Maybe he hadn't heard of earthquakes before. And of course the "atomic age" as he called it, has plenty of little issues of it's own, just ask Three Mile Island and Fukashima whatchamacallit, and oh yeah, that Pornyoble place in Russia.
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