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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 27, 2015 - 11:04am PT
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When he returned to the United States, Ed Abbey took advantage of the G.I. Bill to attend the University of New Mexico,
where he received a B.A. in philosophy and English in 1951, and a master's degree in philosophy in 1956.
(from Wikipedia)
He wrote the Monkey Wrench Gang, of course...and Hayduke Lives! as well.
Katie Lee (b. October 23, 1919 in Tucson, Arizona) is an Arizona folk singer, writer, actress, photographer and environmental activist.[1]
She graduated from the University of Arizona with a Bachelor of Fine Arts. After that, she went on to study with two of the most successful folksingers of the 1940s, Burl Ives and Josh White.
After joining a rafting trip in the Grand Canyon she became a regular on river trips on the Colorado River and joined the opposition to the construction of Glen Canyon Dam. In September and October 1955 she and[2] Tad Nichols and Frank Wright traveled thru- and documented parts of the Glen Canyon that later were to be submerged.
(also from Wikipedia)
She sings well. Have a listen.[Click to View YouTube Video]
Survival, thanks for the post, man...you got a Earth Day hangover?
"Every day should be Earth Day." (Earth PhilG's grand daughter).
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 27, 2015 - 11:22am PT
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Oh, to have been able to see the canyon of glens,... ah well. If you drained it and destroyed the dam the damage would still last for millenia.
Eventually the folly will be obvious. In a few centuries "Lake Powell" will have filled with sediment and will be an enormous tamarisk forest, causing increased salinity of the water going to agriculture downstream.
Madness.
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splitclimber
climber
Sonoma County
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Apr 27, 2015 - 11:39am PT
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Absolutely right tv
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 27, 2015 - 11:43am PT
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Good posts.
If you drained it and destroyed the dam the damage would still last for millenia.
Doesn't mean taking it down isn't the right thing to do.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 27, 2015 - 02:35pm PT
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I agree DMT. Tough sell, still the right thing. I also agree that the recovery time would be less than millennia.....
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 27, 2015 - 04:58pm PT
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The Canyon of Glen would recover very quickly if left to its own devices and there would be virtually no damage left to discern, within just a few hundred years.
Huh?
Hogwash!
The hand of man has left left a heavy mark. There have been so many spalls that it has reshaped the canyon itself. The best black varnish takes eons to form.
And dam removal might be a "tough sell" if indeed the Glen Canyon Dam impounded water for drinking or agriculture.
It is only for producing power (and is so remote that at least half the power is lost in transmission).
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c wilmot
climber
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Apr 27, 2015 - 05:03pm PT
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Of course I litter the public highway. Every chance I get. After all, it's not the beer cans that are ugly; it's the highway that is ugly.— Edward Abbey
Just another hypocrite
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 27, 2015 - 05:33pm PT
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And dam removal might be a "tough sell" if indeed the Glen Canyon Dam impounded water for drinking or agriculture.
It is only for producing power (and is so remote that at least half the power is lost in transmission).
Nope, on both counts.
All of the power and water is used in the adjacent southwest.
https://www.wapa.gov/crsp/customerscrsp/documents/Post-2004CRODList_FY09_FINAL.pdf
The lights would go out in about every Indian reservation and small town without it.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Apr 27, 2015 - 05:47pm PT
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The damage caused by the dam is not limited to the flooded land. Blocking the flow has caused the water temperature downstream to remain constantly cold, rather than vary naturally. It also causes the river to run clear most of the time. These two changes have decimated the native chub. The trout love it, but they are not native.
Free the river and let it run free to the Sea of Cortez
http://www.livescience.com/45783-colorado-river-reaches-gulf.html
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 27, 2015 - 05:53pm PT
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yeah,
them injuns don't need no new fangled lectric lights!
Read the customer list.
While there are some big volume consumers like the Salt River pumps the overwhelming number of connected users are reservations and small coops.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Apr 27, 2015 - 06:38pm PT
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Sylvester likes Glen Canyon.
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stonefly
Social climber
Alameda, California
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Apr 27, 2015 - 07:07pm PT
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Apr 27, 2015 - 07:11pm PT
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Lake Powell, what an incredible place. I feel so thankful to explore the area. Go there if you get the chance.
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stonefly
Social climber
Alameda, California
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Apr 27, 2015 - 07:30pm PT
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Not to mention the beauty that is Phoenix. It couldn't have happened without the sacrifice.
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son of stan
Boulder climber
San Jose CA
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Apr 27, 2015 - 07:42pm PT
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Bumping sandstone is almost as low as bumping Choss. Almost.
And boating to a route is far superior than grunting up
through cactus and rattlesnakes.
And Page Az residents, living a sandstones throw from Glen Cramyon Dam
only pay 7.5cents per kilowatt for electricity. Proof the dam is not
worthless. Pay more than double that in San Jose.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Apr 27, 2015 - 07:48pm PT
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Lake Powell is horrible, we must destroy the dam.
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stonefly
Social climber
Alameda, California
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Apr 27, 2015 - 08:10pm PT
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Just imagine the sound of four 27-litre Rolls Royce Merlin engines on a low altitude run!
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