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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Mar 27, 2015 - 09:16pm PT
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Just groovin' on the love here too. I had 3 homes and a fantastic husband (we did have our ups and downs....that's real life.) Dan died and went to the heavenlies and the economy tanked.
I've learned to live simply and my new motto is (copyright) Savor Don't Save. Along with my family I have the Sierra, a place of healing and miracles along with the incredible joy of discovering the beauty that lies therein.
And I trust my best friend jesus to be my pr man. He's why I'm at TPR. Never give up, joy is just around the corner. lynnie
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 27, 2015 - 09:37pm PT
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The thread took some interesting turns. Started out as me bitching about another of the bigs (big govt, big tobacco, big pharma, big finance ... you know the drill).
Took some nice detours along the lines Lynne (one of several) pointed out.
I like the way these threads evolve into the unexpected.
I can't imagine trying to live on $11780 a year (the official poverty line) and feel pretty lucky that I am not poor in any of the senses we've seen here. By and large my suspicion is that there are very few poor folks inhabiting the ST.
"I can't complain, but sometimes I still do
Life's been good to me so far"
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Mar 27, 2015 - 10:13pm PT
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Definitely nice groove...
there are people suffering, though, without enough to get by in great part because a lot of people have the mistaken idea that they can fill the hole they feel in their hearts with stuff and they keep thinking they can never have enough for themselves. If they realized they could make that hole fill up and heal by helping their brothers and sisters thrive they'd be a lot better off.
Here is a link about the film "Happy."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roko-belic/happy-documentary_b_1220111.html
Here's a link to the film itself.
http://www.thehappymovie.com
The greatest lesson I learned while making this film is that my pursuit of happiness is not about me. It's about our relationships and how we help each other. It's about us. -Roko Belic, director of the film Happy
Always liked the idea of getting past zero, a concept a friend shared once. Doing stuff to meet your needs gets you to zero; doing stuff to meet other people's needs gets you past zero.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Mar 27, 2015 - 10:13pm PT
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Ya know, zBrown, life is an amazing and complex trip. Dan and I started out "dirtbag" poor when we married at 19 and 20. As life went on we had 4 kids and worked our asses off and created a business that Dan used to help people suffering with illness, death and dying to do the best for them and to help them in whatever way our pharmacy/medical equipment business could.
When you travel the planet you experience what is real and honest and true. All of our 4 kids worked at some point in their lives in our pharmacy, homecare business. I believe it made them richer and more in tune to the lives of others. They will never be poor ...... they made lives of the hurting and dying easier.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Mar 27, 2015 - 10:23pm PT
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Good stuff, Lynne.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Mar 27, 2015 - 10:32pm PT
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I'm rich in life. Experiences, friends, family, and love are all currencies I am flush in.
Paper pays the bills but it never adds up.
I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Mar 27, 2015 - 10:35pm PT
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Always liked the idea of getting past zero, a concept a friend shared once. Doing stuff to meet your needs gets you to zero; doing stuff to meet other people's needs gets you past zero.
I like that always too, Mark. At least as many ways that I can wrap my pea-brain around. It's almost like a mathematical equation too. Sluurrp.
I'm looking forward to seeing you again at COR.
Mike, that's why we call you "Big". Did you think it was because you are tall?
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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Mar 27, 2015 - 10:35pm PT
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had to roll quarters for tolls recently...one does what one must....
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Mar 27, 2015 - 10:58pm PT
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Mike, that's why we call you "Big". Did you think it was because you are tall?
Good one, Wayno! Look forward to seeing you at COR!
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Mar 27, 2015 - 11:34pm PT
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Always liked the idea of getting past zero, a concept a friend shared once. Doing stuff to meet your needs gets you to zero; doing stuff to meet other people's needs gets you past zero.
Yeah Mark. I keep relearning that lesson. I didn't realize we had met at cor, but i know exactly who you are now. Trippy, i've done that a couple of times now with forum members i met irl but never made the connection.
Some people who didn't know me very well had inquired why not tall... Guess next time i'll have a decent retort. ;)
Good to hear your enjoying your friday night bud
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Mar 28, 2015 - 02:31am PT
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I was once dirt poor. $100 had to last me 3 months.
I lived in the back of a Volkswagon, collected nickel-deposit aluminum cans for a living and scarfed food to eat.
It was the best time of my life.
money and wealth are not what makes a person rich. What makes us rich is a heart of love and forgiveness along with a spirit of peace, joy, compassion and keeping a heart out for the broken hearted.
Agreed. Wealth just brings peace of mind.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Mar 28, 2015 - 07:51am PT
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Poor is a state of mind.
Broke is a state of time.
I'm so broke that if it cost a nickle to sh#t, I'd have to throw up.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 28, 2015 - 08:33am PT
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It's that patch over you're eye that I'm wondering about. Maybe just confusing a-patch-eye with apache, eh?
Who is this and is that Cosmic's bird?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Mar 28, 2015 - 08:57am PT
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If you have a family to feed and the Gov. is taking away your food stamps and other services that you rely on, having a positive attitude will not go very far.
Pile on debt, health care problems, and what you got is people living in fear for their very survival.
The just pull yourself up by your bootstraps idea is a pretty simplistic delusion, it doesn't work for being poor/broke or depression or most anything else.
As far a student loans go, the banksters can borrow money at practically zero % interest, but students pay big interest rates and basically victims of predatory lending.
College should be Free for anyone willing to stay in school.
The Republicans have rigged the system to keep us poor and subservient. They all know a strong middle class gives the people more time to fight the rigged system, fight for more social services, well paying jobs and the Repubs lose.
The fact that there are people hungry and without shelter or jobs signals one thing; we have failed as a society, and it has been the Conservatives have done this to our country.
Big money has won over basic moral concerns, there are people dying because of this neglect, it's the opposite of Christ's teaching, meaning one thing, the Republicans/conservatives have corrupted Christianity so they can use it to control Christians to vote for anti-Christian values.
Christ was the prototypical Liberal, fairness, love and support for those disenfranchised, sick, poor or whatever. A Christian Nation would not have sick homeless on the streets Begging. A Christian Nation would provide for them
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Mar 28, 2015 - 09:00am PT
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I live in poverty but I am a wealthy man!
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Mar 28, 2015 - 09:21am PT
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Get a clue cragman, wake up and see what's going on.
Someone is to blame, right?
Why do so many other Countries take care of their needy and we can't?
Because they haven't sold out to big Money interests, and the Republicans are beholden to big money interests, they happily take their money and make sure they get what they want, which is poor working class with little hope for a better future.
Prove me wrong genius, you can't.
I do work for change, I expose the truth of what's going on.
Your Fox News bubble is the problem, it has produced a population of duped Americans that are destroying this country from the inside out with division, lies and propaganda. How do they do it, they get suckers to vote for Republicans that then screw us with all the problems we now have.
There are only 2 types of Republican voters.
Millionaires and suckers.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 28, 2015 - 09:23am PT
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And you won't see real poor people in developing countries waxing philosophically about the
nobility of poverty. My Indian friend, who grew up in a dirt-floor house and didn't use a
telephone until he was a teen, hears that talk and says, "Stupid Americans." But then he went
on to get a real education, instead of majoring in gender studies or art history, and is now
making an artificial eye that may soon get FDA approval. YMMV
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Mar 28, 2015 - 09:41am PT
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America is the most prosperous Country in the world, we have the resources, just not the will.
Only first world countries have eliminated poverty, America has the worst poverty of any first world country..
Living in the Valley (or travelling around while young) as a dirtbag is not poverty, it is a choice, and you know you can make it by hook or by crook, and if you can't, you can always go back and live with your parents.
It is the opposite of fearing for the survival of you and your family
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