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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:32am PT
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5 a year?
How much do those babies run?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 19, 2014 - 11:21am PT
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So you think that only the government should have drones?
THAT'S a scary idea.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 11:22am PT
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When drones are illegal only drones will have drones.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 19, 2014 - 11:24am PT
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Most drones are not illegal.
You can hear them yapping everywhere .......
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 19, 2014 - 11:47am PT
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"The FAA put droners on notice yesterday that they are subject to FAA "rules" if said drones
are operated recklessly.
Only a question of time before a drone is used as a missile to bring down a plane.
Madness, allowing these things. The right to keep and bear drones is not protected in the constitution. FAK!"
Yer gonna die.
I would think that, you know, just using a missile as a missile would save a step, but so far, the model rocketry folks haven't tried, and they've been launching those things - into space even, for decades. The last model rocket I saw launched was 15' long, flamed out at 15K', and had full telemetry and guidance from a lap top.
Drones are here to stay and they will be everywhere because they are cheap and really, really useful. Want to count timber for sale, Forest Service? How about watershed management? Farmers - need a detailed survey of your fields? Air quality sampling, anyone?
You get the idea.
You can get a 4 rotor drone with a camera for 56 bucks. A pro grade, 8 rotor drone you can shoot a feature length blockbuster with will cost you 4 grand. And they're only getting cheaper. Fast.
We do need to regulate drone use for privacy, safety, and noise. But banning them?
That ship sailed.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Dec 19, 2014 - 11:47am PT
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This is a positive for drones and it's because they are being used in a manner which enhances chances of living longer.
TU Delft - Ambulance Drones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-rEI4bezWc
SAR needs to look at these.
Very seriously.
MFM
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c wilmot
climber
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Dec 19, 2014 - 01:10pm PT
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Most drones are not illegal.
You can hear them yapping everywhere .......
Lots of illegal drones in El Portal
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cuvvy
Sport climber
arkansas
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Excellent news!! Some nimrod was out with one of those things and flew it 10 feet or so from me while I was bouldering. Nuisance at the very least.
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tripmind
Boulder climber
San Diego
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Who cares about drones, there is nothing that an oversized horsefly can do that a helicopter with a trained cameraman can do better.
Filming sh#t is not a right, and at the end of the day, the sh#t that a drone produces is really not unique or even within a realm of interest to care about. If you decide to fly your drone over a wildfire, you deserve to have your equipment confiscated and be fined until that footage is no longer worth pursuing. The only interesting thing about an aerial shot is how distastefully a fisheye lense can completely warp the landscape.
Drones seem like a gimmick compared to traditional RC flying anyways, its not impressive to watch or interesting to fly. They have valid commercial use as well as used in compound with other hobbies. Lake fishing for example could be rapidly evolved with the use of a drone and a sonar device, essentially a fish finder to tell you where to cast. Its boat fishing without the boat.
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overwatch
climber
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First thing I thought of was how drones would benefit fishing
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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most of the visual arts depend on changing the Point-of-View (or eliminating the "point") to spark the viewer's interest in what is being depicted...
in climbing, the universe is a 2 dimensional surface, usually vertical... an image, whether still or moving, taken from that surface, tends to be rather limited in what it can convey... an in any case, we become bored with the POV
Recall (you old ones) the radical innovation of moving the POV off the surface (Eppi did this to great effect)... suddenly the images were new and interesting again
Helicopters and fixed wing aircraft have also been employed throughout the history of climbing to provide a 3 dimensional sense... the movie El Capitan used such shots, back in the 60's, to evoke the sense of exposure where the on wall shots of climbers doing the King Swing didn't (couldn't) capture that sense.
These shots were all thought to be great advances over what preceded.
The availability of small digital cameras capable of recording video opened up a huge domain of possibilities, including the routine use of "crane shots" in bouldering and climbing, where the "crane" was a stick with a camera taped onto one end... the reduction in required resources to pull these shots off made the techniques available to a large number of creative people.
Drones undeniably open up a large number of possibilities to do the same, giving the ability to obtain those shots that were previously possible only by aircraft. The drones are less obtrusive, and less dangerous, and they have the potential to get much better shots and expand the POV possibilities.
Like any technology employed for the purpose of telling a story, they themselves do not "make the story." The story telling requires a set of skills and imagination which can draw on these devices and use them to effect.
There are also a large number of technical capabilities that make drones a unique platform for remote sensing, and available for a very large number of users at costs which very low compared to the traditional use of manned aircraft. Even in fire fighting...
...drone technologies, with varying degrees of autonomy, are an important technological development. The main benefit is eliminating the need for people to be in harms way. Imagine what mining would be like if people didn't have to do it? already the use of drones in warfare have reduced risks (at the same time raising ethical and moral questions), and our space exploration depends on such technologies (drones will have been everywhere we may venture, long before we do).
Drones are a classic "disruptive" technology, providing a capability to replace very expensive and much more risky, dangerous and unreliable current technologies.
Grumble away, drones are here to stay.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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I ordered my FLIR Vue (thermal IR cam) a few days ago. The Beast will be SAR ready with IR within a week.
As far as fishing goes it didn't help us this day (though really I was just hoping to get a good shot pimping Tenkara rods)
Truth is the point that day was not to scout for fish. With hunting there is a 24 hour moratorium on hunting after scouting with a sUAV. Same should be true with fishing.
however, if you are trying to capture them with only a camera all bets will remain off. I shut down my UAV ops before I got close to these guys but the aerial would have been the money shot. Though I suppose this log jam was pretty money as well (7 pilot whales, 2 pygmy killer whales). Having the big male that is closest stare me down and look through me was an "experience". Damn near safer with most sharks.
Great points, Ed.
Jon: yeah, the video your brother got from that shoot is crap. Licensed? That needs to be explained. There's no such thing. There is, however, a 333 Exemption to operate commercially issued by the FAA. is that what you meant?
Who cares about drones, there is nothing that an oversized horsefly can do that a helicopter with a trained cameraman can do better.
except for being on scene and flying and capturing imagery whenever you desire at a massive fraction of the cost with a huge reduction in risk of human life. That statement is laughable. How can you not see how so utterly wrong that statement is? What, did you forget about the 500' AGL floor manned aircraft must obey?
cuvvy - you need to meet that operator in a dark ally. I'll help.
Drones and fire fighting do not mix. Except when they do:
http://www.suasnews.com/2015/08/38145/park-service-borrows-drone-to-guide-olympic-rainforest-wildfire-fight/
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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The United States, where people complain about toy drones flown in proximity while US war drones have been giving folks ptsd with hellfire's around the world for years.
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Drones are kinda cool. No doubt they have legitimate uses. But putting them in the hands of any old hobbyist is nuts, both in terms of dangers, already occurring to aircraft and stadium spectators, and the peace and tranquilty we climbers find it harder and harder to find.
Do you really want to do your climbs in a perpetual cloud of battery-powered mosquitoes? 'Cause, forgetting about the actual dangers, that's where this is headed without regulation. And it's already beginning: http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2682914/drone-at-Lovers-Leap-Haystack-on-Fri-9-4 .
Three cheers for the NP ban.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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I don't understand at all your point about putting them in the hands of an old hobbyist. I'd much rather have that than in the hands of a 16 year old that got if for christmas. those 'old hobbyist' wrote the book on ethical flying. Perhaps in your view they are not physically competent?
Anyone filming in near proximity w/o permission needs a stern (you fill in the blank). That's BS. cuvvy has very right to be upset.
Filming climbing on a "closed set" with permission (written if to be used professionally) from all models is another fantastic way to get a unique POV (as ED points out).
I've made my opinion on this known before but i'll say it again - I fully support banning of flying drones in National Parks. But I'd also like to see loud ass obnoxious Harley's also banned (and not just in National Parks). Funny how it's OK to disturb someones piece with one thing but not another.
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overwatch
climber
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you may be taking the "old" part incorrectly.
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