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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 20, 2014 - 03:07pm PT
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Yosemite already had a ban through a dubious interpretation of existing law. The new ban will specifically apply to drones in all parks.
No drinking from creeks either. When did that become illegal
http://blog.sfgate.com/stew/2014/06/20/national-park-service-bans-drones/
Visitors to the nation’s 401 National Parks have one more rule to remember before heeding their call to the wild: In addition to not feeding the bears or drinking water from the creek, don’t bring a drone.
National Park Service Director Jonathan Jarvis signed a memorandum Friday that will ban the use of unmanned aircraft across 84 million acres of public lands, saying the hum of the drone is not a fit for some of the nation’s most scenic and untamed real estate.
A person launches a drone in the great outdoors, an activity that the National Park Service prohibited Friday. (Associated Press)
A person launches a drone in the great outdoors, an activity that the National Park Service prohibited Friday. (Associated Press)
Drones outfitted with cameras have increasingly been spotted buzzing the cliff-side faces of presidents at Mount Rushmore in South Dakota. They’ve crashed into walls at the Grand Canyon in Arizona. One even pestered a herd of big horn sheep at Zion National Park in Utah, prompting the young to be separated from their parents.
“We have serious concerns about the negative impact that flying unmanned aircraft is having in parks, so we are prohibiting their use until we can determine the most appropriate policy that will protect park resources and provide all visitors with a rich experience,” Jarvis said in a statement.
Under his order, park superintendents at places like Golden Gate National Recreation Area and Yosemite National Park have 60 days to put drone prohibitions on their books.
The new policy clears up any confusion about whether unmanned aircraft have been legal to fly on park lands.
In some places, park officials have ordered people to ground their drones, citing laws that prevent visitors from harassing wildlife or threatening public safety. Yosemite rangers began a crackdown this spring, saying federal law gave them general powers to halt flight.
Friday’s action provides a uniform rule exclusive to drones. Jarvis’ order will remain in effect until a service-wide prohibition is officially adopted, a process that involves collecting public input and can take a year or more.
Drones have become increasingly popular as their price has dropped and their capabilities have expanded. The devices range in size from a bird to a small plane and often carry cameras to take aerial video or photographs.
In May, rangers at Yosemite began approaching people who flew the devices and let them know the park was no longer tolerating them.
“There are so many things wrong with it,” Yosemite spokesman Scott Gediman told The Chronicle last month. “It’s just not conducive to what we’re trying to do here in Yosemite.”
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jun 20, 2014 - 05:02pm PT
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I'm glad I just fly RC aircraft..
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Jun 20, 2014 - 07:10pm PT
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In addition to not feeding the bears or drinking water from the creek, don’t bring a drone.
 And here I thought the next natural step in YOSAR Rescue would be the unmanned aerial vehicle.
Instead of the Helicopter Rescue getting the tap then arriving on the scene to assess and plan, hour(s) have passed and something irreversible could happen in that time...
Meanwhile, back in my future YOSAR world where from the ranger station a call can come in, another ranger pilot can get the drone headed up to greet and assess the situation within minutes, with their own eyes and ears from the victims mouth... meanwhile, after he hung up the phone ranger one waits to call the copter until after assessment can be made by ranger two, but a plan can be put into place that would allow for the starting the processes of getting the helicopter in the air, but would not waste a thing in shutting down once the assessment comes down from ranger two...
Meanwhile at the assessment, with open communication being available between drone and victim(s) and the ability of the drone to carry any amount of weight (not looked into it, but then again I don't really have to seeing as I'm just a dummy on a climbing web-forum) which may or may not be stocked with who knows the supplies that could be transferred to an awaiting vic in order to stabilize while the tray arrives to pick and call it a day....
but that's just a day dream for a dummy like me....
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crankster
Trad climber
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Jun 20, 2014 - 07:14pm PT
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They have a tendency to crash.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 20, 2014 - 08:22pm PT
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Note that this will only apply to the use of drones BY THE PUBLIC.
This will not apply to agency use for appropriate emergency situations, like SAR activities.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2014 - 08:48pm PT
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Drone cached at the top of El cap, in a bird house type structure with a solar panel roof to keep batteries charged. Drone is launched remotely from a command center. The various pitches of each route are already in the system. Pilot plugs in route and pitch, drone goes there. Live feed goes to sar real time. Could even program the video to find the rope and follow it up or down.
Somebody in san Diego got amazing drone video the other day when a 112 foot luxury yacht burned in a shipyard. The drone show is just getting started
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 20, 2014 - 09:30pm PT
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Yeah, the Park Service will be all over toy drones but meanwhile they are totally cool with the
Navy and Air Force tearing up the parks with F-18's and F-16's at all hours.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 21, 2014 - 10:23pm PT
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I'm good with this. Sounds like a good call.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jun 21, 2014 - 11:26pm PT
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hey there say, steveW and ed... thanks for sharing the info links...
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Jun 22, 2014 - 09:34am PT
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Separated at birth? I hardly think so.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 22, 2014 - 10:12am PT
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I understand there was an ice hockey game played in L.A. last week, and the home team did OK.
Some joker thought it would be a good idea to fly a drone over a crowd of people supporting their home team.
The crowd took offense to being overflown - rightly so - and used what they had on hand to bring the drone down safely, before it crashed on its own and wounded God knows who.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
I read somewhere that the cops have what's left of the drone, and its owner can come down to the police officer station and pick it up, no charges to be filed.
Just flying something like that over a crowd - whether or not it crashes - should be considered reckless endangerment.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jun 22, 2014 - 10:15am PT
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More evidence that the kite based camera lobby is a powerful force in Washington.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 29, 2014 - 06:49pm PT
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Droneless parks but no droneless narks?
That's sure to bring homeless dopers down.
Running sheep on private land using drones is one thing, but running wild sheep in national parks?
C'mon, Joe Public, use your head for once.
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
Nevada City
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Jul 29, 2014 - 06:56pm PT
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no drinking from creeks, and before you know it, these will be everywhere. it is, after all, the biggest for profit industry of the future!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 29, 2014 - 08:25pm PT
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The drone over a fire is just totally asinine.
I was flying a kite a few years ago when I noticed smoke starting to rise from the hills across the street. I pulled the kite down immediately, because where I live a fire means low flying aircraft coming from oddball directions.
Sure enough, fifteen minutes later the spotter planes showed up. Then five minutes later, the bombers were there.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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"Book him, Dano."
Naw, just make him retrieve the drone.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Aurora Colorado
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That's right Dingus, just a few miles East, in Deer Creek CO, the town govt told the news media they would be issuing hunting licenses for federal drones. There's a lot of libertarianism here.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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So since I can legally carry now in a national park I'm good to take me out
some o' them there droons?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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It'd be fun to get into falconry and teach a big bird to take them out.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Chaz! Chaz! We all got to adjust our think for the new millenium.
And to bad your kite was not smart and you were unable to forward images of the fire to 911. Every minute counts for wild fire suppression and you're thinking like a caveman?
The insignificant cost of a drone sending GPS tagged images to fire
suppression crews versus the enormous cost and delay
of manned spotter planes arriving at an incident location is
very attractive when budgets are limited.
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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That drone crash into Grand Prismatic Spring in Yellowstone is really annoying. Hope they fine the sh#t out of whoever did that :-(
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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They're going to ruin it for themselves. They probably already have.
Mr Milktoast is right when he says "I'm telling you these drone pilots are a pox...."
I've seen one drone fly one time. Last year at Pigeon Point Lighthouse. Seemed like a responsible guy at the controls. He put it away when the breeze started to come up, and he wasn't flying over people or even very close to the lighthouse. ( I flew my kite-camera much closer to the top of the lighthouse, after the wind came up that day ).
I just finished a drive up the Pacific Coast, and as much as I wanted kite-aerial shots, the conditions were marginal at almost every stop. Conditions I have a ton of experience flying in at home, and no different from those where I live and fly in all the time. But I couldn't justify taking the chance, however slight, of harshing everyone else's buzz if something went wrong. I don't want to be "that guy".
It's NOT a tough decision to make.
And if I find myself someplace new, I always ask whoever's in charge if it's OK to do what I do. I almost always get the green light, sometimes surprising - like when I got the OK from the Border Patrol on the Mexican Border.
But the times I'm glad I asked first are when I'm told "no", like at Yaquina Head Lighthouse last Sunday. The HMFIC there said no kites whatsoever, because just off the lighthouse is an island-rock full of nesting birds they would rather not spook. That was something I hadn't considered. Sounded like a good reason to me, but even if it didn't, it's their place - not mine.
When I err on the side of walking away, it's not so much about sparing me or my equipment as it is about everybody else. A nine-ounce camera attached to a fourteen-ounce rig falling at 32fps-squared can kill someone. A hundred yards of hundred-pound line laying across a road or power lines will ruin someone's day. And even if it just causes an inconvenience for others, I don't want to be the one responsible for ruining things for all the other kite-aerial-photography guys.
Happy to say, I've never involved any strangers in my pastime. I don't "direct traffic" or give anyone a "heads-up" because nobody else should have to worry about what I'm doing. That's not why they're there.
Too bad for the drone guys their community isn't as close as the KAP ( kite aerial photography ) community. There's no instruction manual for KAP. We learn from each other, and everybody in KAP knows everyone else. That may be why you never read about us in the paper.
I could have really cleaned-up here ( Yaquina Head, OR ) Sunday:
But it would have come at the expense of a nesting season and the reputation of the KAP community.
As it was, I had a fine day! A day I'll always remember. I hiked up a hill with a long lens and a tripod. And I saw a whale while I was there!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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A few years ago, a KAP guy posted a pic he took looking down on one of those giant high tension power line towers.
Although a fine shot, it was appreciated by exactly nobody in the KAP community, and he was told so.
That one went into the books as a lesson learned the easy way.
If your community won't police itself, you're just asking for someone else to come in and do it for you.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Sep 30, 2014 - 08:50pm PT
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vile machines, flown by tards and as#@&%es
http://mashable.com/2014/07/23/drone-saves-life-missing-man/
so the drone i'm working on to monitor hotspots in real time and transmit to a handdheld, saving buildings from going up and and smoke jumpers from being burned alive is prolly shite too...
idiots. tell you what - i won't let them use it in cali.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 18, 2014 - 11:01pm PT
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If I was a good enough pilot I probably could fly my drone up my ass.
I'll fly wherever the f*#k I want, Yosemite. I'll f*#king fly in your Yosemite Lodge kitchen, I'll fly all over your f*#king Royal Arches, I'll fly anywhere I want!
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Bushman
Social climber
The island of Tristan da Cunha
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Nov 19, 2014 - 02:26am PT
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It's no drone, it's one of my RC Warbird pylon racers.
It's against our charter so it would never happen, but if I ever put this bad girl through her laps up and down the valley from El Cap meadow on a Saturday afternoon at least a dozen climbers would poop themselves at their perch and curse the reckless bastard who so recklessly disregarded their safety.
Like I said, it would never happen, but damn it would be fun.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 19, 2014 - 02:37am PT
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You throw that putt-putt of yours off the top of El Cap and I'll throw a rooster and we'll see which hits the talus first, OK?
You are WARPED, sir.
But that goes with being a fine poet. *smooch-smooch*
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Bushman
Social climber
The island of Tristan da Cunha
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Nov 19, 2014 - 04:03am PT
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Regarding my earlier post, I was only trying to make a funny. When it comes to actually flying model aircraft in an accepted and safe venue or otherwise, it is no laughing matter.
In my view, the drone craze is getting a bit out of hand. I've been flying RC for about ten years with a local Sacramento RC modelers club and our hobby/sport is regulated by the AMA (Academy of Model Aeronautics). In the first few years of flying models most avid RC pilots crash their aircraft multiple times during the learning process due to pilot error, and mechanical, radio, or other system failures. The longest life I ever got out of one airplane was six years (about 300 flights) before degradation of the airframe took its toll. Even the most skilled model aircraft pilots who have been active in the hobby for many years still crash airplanes for the same reasons stated above, only less often. My first few years flying I flew every weekend and averaged about five wrecked planes a year.
The idea that a fledging or even an experienced private drone pilot should put a drone in the air nearby large groups of people, during any type of disaster or rescue operation, or near a national treasure or large sporting event is irresponsible, endangers lives, and also puts in jeopardy the rights of other more careful hobbyist to pursue their sport. Whenever piloted aircraft fly by our airfield we fly our models down to the deck and land. We don't chase wildlife with them or fly them over the heads of people. Too many things can go wrong in flight and there is not always enough reaction time to avoid an out of control or falling aircraft.
Use your drones and other RC aircraft in the safe and accepted manner recommended by the product manufacturers and the hobby lobbyist such as the AMA and regulating bodies such as the FAA or we may lose the right to fly them at all.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 19, 2014 - 05:12am PT
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Thank you for that, Bushman. Yer all aces.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 19, 2014 - 06:15am PT
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my dronez an indoor cat only. range 20', flight time 4 min. Little sucker is fast, though .
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 07:35am PT
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The FAA put droners on notice yesterday that they are subject to FAA "rules" if said drones
are operated recklessly. DADDY IS WATCHING!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:32am PT
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5 a year?
How much do those babies run?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 19, 2014 - 11:21am PT
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So you think that only the government should have drones?
THAT'S a scary idea.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 11:22am PT
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When drones are illegal only drones will have drones.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 19, 2014 - 11:24am PT
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Most drones are not illegal.
You can hear them yapping everywhere .......
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 19, 2014 - 11:47am PT
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"The FAA put droners on notice yesterday that they are subject to FAA "rules" if said drones
are operated recklessly.
Only a question of time before a drone is used as a missile to bring down a plane.
Madness, allowing these things. The right to keep and bear drones is not protected in the constitution. FAK!"
Yer gonna die.
I would think that, you know, just using a missile as a missile would save a step, but so far, the model rocketry folks haven't tried, and they've been launching those things - into space even, for decades. The last model rocket I saw launched was 15' long, flamed out at 15K', and had full telemetry and guidance from a lap top.
Drones are here to stay and they will be everywhere because they are cheap and really, really useful. Want to count timber for sale, Forest Service? How about watershed management? Farmers - need a detailed survey of your fields? Air quality sampling, anyone?
You get the idea.
You can get a 4 rotor drone with a camera for 56 bucks. A pro grade, 8 rotor drone you can shoot a feature length blockbuster with will cost you 4 grand. And they're only getting cheaper. Fast.
We do need to regulate drone use for privacy, safety, and noise. But banning them?
That ship sailed.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Dec 19, 2014 - 11:47am PT
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This is a positive for drones and it's because they are being used in a manner which enhances chances of living longer.
TU Delft - Ambulance Drones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-rEI4bezWc
SAR needs to look at these.
Very seriously.
MFM
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c wilmot
climber
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Dec 19, 2014 - 01:10pm PT
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Most drones are not illegal.
You can hear them yapping everywhere .......
Lots of illegal drones in El Portal
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cuvvy
Sport climber
arkansas
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Excellent news!! Some nimrod was out with one of those things and flew it 10 feet or so from me while I was bouldering. Nuisance at the very least.
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tripmind
Boulder climber
San Diego
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Who cares about drones, there is nothing that an oversized horsefly can do that a helicopter with a trained cameraman can do better.
Filming sh#t is not a right, and at the end of the day, the sh#t that a drone produces is really not unique or even within a realm of interest to care about. If you decide to fly your drone over a wildfire, you deserve to have your equipment confiscated and be fined until that footage is no longer worth pursuing. The only interesting thing about an aerial shot is how distastefully a fisheye lense can completely warp the landscape.
Drones seem like a gimmick compared to traditional RC flying anyways, its not impressive to watch or interesting to fly. They have valid commercial use as well as used in compound with other hobbies. Lake fishing for example could be rapidly evolved with the use of a drone and a sonar device, essentially a fish finder to tell you where to cast. Its boat fishing without the boat.
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overwatch
climber
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First thing I thought of was how drones would benefit fishing
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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most of the visual arts depend on changing the Point-of-View (or eliminating the "point") to spark the viewer's interest in what is being depicted...
in climbing, the universe is a 2 dimensional surface, usually vertical... an image, whether still or moving, taken from that surface, tends to be rather limited in what it can convey... an in any case, we become bored with the POV
Recall (you old ones) the radical innovation of moving the POV off the surface (Eppi did this to great effect)... suddenly the images were new and interesting again
Helicopters and fixed wing aircraft have also been employed throughout the history of climbing to provide a 3 dimensional sense... the movie El Capitan used such shots, back in the 60's, to evoke the sense of exposure where the on wall shots of climbers doing the King Swing didn't (couldn't) capture that sense.
These shots were all thought to be great advances over what preceded.
The availability of small digital cameras capable of recording video opened up a huge domain of possibilities, including the routine use of "crane shots" in bouldering and climbing, where the "crane" was a stick with a camera taped onto one end... the reduction in required resources to pull these shots off made the techniques available to a large number of creative people.
Drones undeniably open up a large number of possibilities to do the same, giving the ability to obtain those shots that were previously possible only by aircraft. The drones are less obtrusive, and less dangerous, and they have the potential to get much better shots and expand the POV possibilities.
Like any technology employed for the purpose of telling a story, they themselves do not "make the story." The story telling requires a set of skills and imagination which can draw on these devices and use them to effect.
There are also a large number of technical capabilities that make drones a unique platform for remote sensing, and available for a very large number of users at costs which very low compared to the traditional use of manned aircraft. Even in fire fighting...
...drone technologies, with varying degrees of autonomy, are an important technological development. The main benefit is eliminating the need for people to be in harms way. Imagine what mining would be like if people didn't have to do it? already the use of drones in warfare have reduced risks (at the same time raising ethical and moral questions), and our space exploration depends on such technologies (drones will have been everywhere we may venture, long before we do).
Drones are a classic "disruptive" technology, providing a capability to replace very expensive and much more risky, dangerous and unreliable current technologies.
Grumble away, drones are here to stay.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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I ordered my FLIR Vue (thermal IR cam) a few days ago. The Beast will be SAR ready with IR within a week.
As far as fishing goes it didn't help us this day (though really I was just hoping to get a good shot pimping Tenkara rods)
Truth is the point that day was not to scout for fish. With hunting there is a 24 hour moratorium on hunting after scouting with a sUAV. Same should be true with fishing.
however, if you are trying to capture them with only a camera all bets will remain off. I shut down my UAV ops before I got close to these guys but the aerial would have been the money shot. Though I suppose this log jam was pretty money as well (7 pilot whales, 2 pygmy killer whales). Having the big male that is closest stare me down and look through me was an "experience". Damn near safer with most sharks.
Great points, Ed.
Jon: yeah, the video your brother got from that shoot is crap. Licensed? That needs to be explained. There's no such thing. There is, however, a 333 Exemption to operate commercially issued by the FAA. is that what you meant?
Who cares about drones, there is nothing that an oversized horsefly can do that a helicopter with a trained cameraman can do better.
except for being on scene and flying and capturing imagery whenever you desire at a massive fraction of the cost with a huge reduction in risk of human life. That statement is laughable. How can you not see how so utterly wrong that statement is? What, did you forget about the 500' AGL floor manned aircraft must obey?
cuvvy - you need to meet that operator in a dark ally. I'll help.
Drones and fire fighting do not mix. Except when they do:
http://www.suasnews.com/2015/08/38145/park-service-borrows-drone-to-guide-olympic-rainforest-wildfire-fight/
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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The United States, where people complain about toy drones flown in proximity while US war drones have been giving folks ptsd with hellfire's around the world for years.
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Drones are kinda cool. No doubt they have legitimate uses. But putting them in the hands of any old hobbyist is nuts, both in terms of dangers, already occurring to aircraft and stadium spectators, and the peace and tranquilty we climbers find it harder and harder to find.
Do you really want to do your climbs in a perpetual cloud of battery-powered mosquitoes? 'Cause, forgetting about the actual dangers, that's where this is headed without regulation. And it's already beginning: http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2682914/drone-at-Lovers-Leap-Haystack-on-Fri-9-4 .
Three cheers for the NP ban.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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I don't understand at all your point about putting them in the hands of an old hobbyist. I'd much rather have that than in the hands of a 16 year old that got if for christmas. those 'old hobbyist' wrote the book on ethical flying. Perhaps in your view they are not physically competent?
Anyone filming in near proximity w/o permission needs a stern (you fill in the blank). That's BS. cuvvy has very right to be upset.
Filming climbing on a "closed set" with permission (written if to be used professionally) from all models is another fantastic way to get a unique POV (as ED points out).
I've made my opinion on this known before but i'll say it again - I fully support banning of flying drones in National Parks. But I'd also like to see loud ass obnoxious Harley's also banned (and not just in National Parks). Funny how it's OK to disturb someones piece with one thing but not another.
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overwatch
climber
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you may be taking the "old" part incorrectly.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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nope, not cool at all. dude got arrested and is facing unlawful endangerment and a few other chargers. Pretty sure there would be a TFR in effect so the FAA will also have a field day with him. or we can only hope.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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His defense could be that he was doing a public service to get limits put on the things.
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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I don't understand at all your point about putting them in the hands of an old hobbyist
Haha, the phrase is "any old hobbyist;" it has nothing to do with age.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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do i need to be "old" to understand that phrase? ;-)
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Perhaps...it means "no particular," "whichever," "whatever." Combined with "hobbyist" it was meant to denote "with no special skills or qualifications."
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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i can only laugh at myself at this point. wow... I'm dense. But hey... i went golfing today for the first time in 32 years and i'm mentally and physically exhausted.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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So, drones will provide dramatic climbing pictures and footage.
And they are new, and they represent an advancement in technology.
So what.
Do a crossword puzzle if you need to be amused.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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are you telling that to anyone that picks up a climbing rag as well? if so then i'm good. if not you are a hypocrite or just detached from reality. yeah, nobody gives a sh#t about ever looking at climbing pictures - is that what you are eluding to?
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overwatch
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Here come the grammar police.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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I can kill with a drone?
Is that your fear? really?
I can kill with a car too....ban them...
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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"Pakistan Surprises Many With First Use of Armed Drone"
Surprise?
First?
We are soooo screwed!!:(
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Airplane pilot hears something, lands and reports a drone sighting to the FAA. Goes home to post and boast in the anti-drone thread...even speaks publicly about never seeing it, yet proud he's turning in those evil drone pilots...FAA investigates, finds it was a bird, forums and posts all deleted and pilots finally coming under the scrutiny they need for starting all this drone hate, that some here have drank by the tank load..
I worked with plane pilots and drone operators to break the story. The reports you see in the media and even the official drone reports and sightings near full scale airplanes are padded stats done with intent by people who fear the future.
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Reported-Drone-Collision-Was-a-Birdstrike-224805-1.html
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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That story has been all over. Wasn't a drone strike. Bird strike.
oh the media hysteria...
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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"Pakistan Surprises Many With First Use of Armed Drone"
Speaking of cred....where did you get that gem^?
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squishy
Mountain climber
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doesn't matter anyway, he lost this battle..
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tinker b
climber
the commonwealth
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Aug 31, 2016 - 07:52am PT
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i told a guy yesterday that it was illegal to fly a drone in the park as he was flying it by the bridge. he told me he could break my face after i took a picture of him.
drones are creepy. i had wanted to take a quick dip in the river, but want about to take off my clothes with a drone flying around.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 31, 2016 - 08:14am PT
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^^^^ I woulda called the Tool and then taken his pic.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Aug 31, 2016 - 08:22am PT
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it's not the drones that are creepy. creeps are creepy. There's many other tools creeps can utilize. It's nothing new. Some people just suck.
I agree with Reilly. He broke the rules and threatened you. Call an LEO.
Drones are here to stay and with Part 107 now officially on the books the flood gates are open for commercial operations. But commercial operators are not a problem. There's a bunch of immature dickbags that believe their first amendment rights are being violated because drones are banned in the NPS. I fully support that ban. Same goes for Boulder County Open Space.
As an aside I received an emergency permit to fly in BCOS using a drone to search for Geno the lost dog ( http://kdvr.com/2016/07/27/drones-join-search-for-geno-the-dog-missing-since-nederland-wildfire/ ) . I also did some searching on foot. Heartbreaking story.
Point is there's a lot more people using the technology for good causes than dickbags flying where they are banned and being creepy. They just stick out like a sore f'ing thumb. I made sure the NPS saw that video.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Aug 31, 2016 - 10:17am PT
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i had wanted to take a quick dip in the river, but want about to take off my clothes with a drone flying around.
I'd rather see a drone in any NP than 97.8% of Supertopians taking an illegal skinny dip in a river. Jesssssssss sayin'.
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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Aug 31, 2016 - 10:48am PT
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Weld_It I'm sure starts the list
BURT BRONSON?
Jongy perhaps
Flashy P to round out the list.
Edit: IRJB
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