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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Bruce,
I enjoy the distinction between authority and authoritarian. Authority is based on expertise. Authoritarianism is based on power.
Michelle, I see from your pictures that you enjoy guns. Great. Fine. Whatever. But, do you realize that you are on the pro-racism side of this conversation. You can't really think that tolerance means being tolerant of racist hate. Can you?
P.s. You do know that the military is a socialist organization right. Just like LEO's and the BLM and the National Parks and highways and schools and hospitals and medical schools are social programs. Just saying. Paid by all of us for social welfare. Yay progress!
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Bruce, I see your point.
Flip, how little you know about me.
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Sanskara
climber
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Flip you're funny you got me rolling over here.
You're also right.
Like me no one is going hear you because you don't stroke their ego before you deliver the blow.
You Could probably give a sh#t is my best guess and I wouldn't blame you...
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Sanskara
climber
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If that how you see it that's how you see it just as I choose to interpret what I do as I do.
Imop it's not ego stroking on my part but a complete distain for ugly people with ugly hearts. Look if people where so outspoken with regard to their preference of Coke vrs Pepsi I could give a f*#k. But most often the conversation is not about anything of the sort and more about that of equal human rights for all and things like capital punishment.
Lotsa people on ST at least those that choose to have a voice leave little to desire with regard to integrity equal human rights and ethics.
What i am saying is racism bigotry and hate are not qualities I can see any reason to tolerate. No questions zero zilch nada never. I also think anyone who posses such qualities should be stomped out like the little piss ant they are and made to feel like the worthless pices of sh#t they are.
But hey if that's stroking my ego so be it I guess I'll choose ego strokes over ugly racist bigot anyday..
Simply put yes I feel better than a old drunk racist...
Now back to the Good Wife..
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Authority is based on expertise. A democracy willingly cedes Authority to its elected representatives in exchange for social benefits.
Law and order, transportation systems, defense against enemies domestic and foreign.
Authority relies on trust, respect and mutual responsibility. It is a two way street. When it breaks down a group can move towards Authoritarianism or Anarchy.
The serviceman's oath
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
I suppose once you've left the military you can ignore any part of it you like.
There's always the Pledge of Allegiance. So short and direct even a Bundyite "militia" should be able to understand it.
"....one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all..."
(under God wasn't added until 1954......not coincidentally during the McCarthy period)
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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2. I have no gun but... cops come after the fact, crime is going up and i've got a new baby and wife and home I have to protect. We live near gangland. So the thought has crossed my mind. I also know a man in jail because he killed his daughters abusive boyfriend (the bullet passed through and hit the daughter) thats irony. Shitty situations abound.If the laws really worked .....? My point is that I'd rather waste a dangerous meth-head and live with the consequences than be unable to protect my family from same. When I was single I could run away. Not so much anymore.When I lived in Switzerland I learned that most Swiss have guns at home(and military training). Very low murder rates. Guns are very democratic. If every unfortunate Islamic woman in Afghanistan who fears the stick had a 22 under her burka the Taliban kooks (yeah I said it) might think twice.
change of heart?
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coolrockclimberguy69
climber
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White people discussing racism. Always a hoot.
Happy Cinco de Mayo, gueros!
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Sanskara
climber
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That's fine and when said people leave behind their bigoted ugly ways then and only then will I consider anything they say worthy of consideration.
Some things can be seen beyond allowing for mutual respect between parties that do not see eye to eye. I'm sorry racists and bigots do not offer as much to those whom they suppress why should anyone offer it to them..
When they recant I will reconsider ;)
Until then we'll I got nothing for them as they are deserving only of that they offer..
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Hey wait, did I suggest tolerating racism? Please read my mind for me again. You crack me up.
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Sanskara
climber
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No you did not but I'm not in anyway referencing you either.
Do I think teachers should have guns no but this is not about that. Nor is it reason enough for me to form an opinion you.
My reference is toward those whom make blatant racist comments or defend and in a round about way support those that make racist comments imop condoning racism rather than condemning it.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Roger that.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Michelle,
I'm for responsible gun laws. I have no idea of your politics or race view. I trolled for right-wing racist gun-nuts sorry if you took the bait. I'm really against racism. That's all. Oh and militarized american tough-guy Christians creep me out.
Thanks for the laughs. Y'all.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 5, 2014 - 07:47pm PT
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White people discussing racism. Always a hoot.
Happy Cinco de Mayo, gueros!
So, are you implying only white people can be racists? And speaking of Mexico and Cinco de Mayo, do you know how they treat people entering their country illegally?
I'm for responsible gun laws. I have no idea of your politics or race view. I trolled for right-wing racist gun-nuts sorry if you took the bait. I'm really against racism. That's all. Oh and militarized american tough-guy Christians creep me out.
Sounds like you are the one with a problem. I own guns, am Christian. So what? Both are perfectly legal, and quite common. Maybe you are the anomaly.
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Gerg
Trad climber
Calgary
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Hey where is the guy who wanted to punch someone in the head if they were rascist?!
That was 2013 funniest ST post.
2nd being the Jackson Hole kids in Peru.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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May 11, 2014 - 11:32am PT
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Michelle writes:
" Calling someone a right wing gun toting nut is equally prejudicial as calling someone some racial slur. Lumping people into categories is mental laziness."
If the shoe fits....
Choosing to live as a sad stereotype cliché is mental laziness, oder?
Since you pick 1187, I will tell you that my family name comes from the third crusade. That means 1000 years of Christian murdering right wing crusades.
Bis spater.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 15, 2014 - 04:49pm PT
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"no, I'm not a racist"
Meanwhile police racism is alive and well in lily white Wolfeboro NH
Police Commissioner Copeland
"I believe I did use the 'N' word in reference to the current occupant of the Whitehouse," Copeland said in an excerpt from an email he sent to his fellow police commissioners acknowledging his remark and then forwarded to O'Toole. "For this, I do not apologize â he meets and exceeds my criteria for such."
Copeland also wrote: "While I believe the problems associated with minorities in this country are momentous, I am not phobic." About 20 black people live in Wolfeboro, a town of 6,300 residents in the scenic Lakes Region, in the central part of New Hampshire. The town manager's office said none of the police department's 12 full-time officers is black or a member of another minority. One of its part-time officers is black. http://www.theguardian.com/world/feedarticle/11344023
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 15, 2014 - 06:12pm PT
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not so fast on Switzerland
The devil is in the details
The vast majority of men between the ages of 20 and 30 are conscripted into the militia and undergo military training, including weapons training. The personal weapons of the militia are kept at home as part of the military obligations; Switzerland thus has one of the highest (well regulated) militia gun ownership rates in the world I added the (well regulated) to show what our Founding Fathers in fact had in mind.
In October 2007, the Swiss Federal Council decided that the distribution of ammunition to soldiers shall stop and that all previously issued ammo shall be returned. By March 2011, more than 99% of the ammo has been received. Only special rapid deployment units and the military police still store ammunition at home today.[5]
.......keeping the weapon after end of service requires a license.
To carry a loaded firearm in public or outdoors (and for an individual who is a member of the militia carrying a firearm other than his Army-issue personal weapons off-duty), a person must have a Waffentragbewilligung (gun carrying permit), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.[13] It is, however, quite common to see a person serving military service to be en route with his rifle, albeit unloaded.
and the Swiss have one of the lowest homicide rates by any means in the world
The annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population was 0.70, which is one of the lowest in the world.[19] The annual rate of homicide by guns per 100,000 population was 0.52.
There appears to by a synergy between the public good, gun control and very low gun homicides in Switzerland.
Or do you interpret the facts differently?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
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