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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 3, 2014 - 05:19pm PT
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When does this end? If ever.
Before knee-jerking into our own brief history, consider also the history of Asian racism. It was more ethnic than racist, but kinda the same thing. Bigotry.
It will never go away. Not in our lifetimes.
Is it really that big of a deal right now?
I hate the Asians...meh, best people I ever met. And they have their opinions on race too!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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^^^^^ What Locker said, but all I see in Bluey's pic is a sun glasses model.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Welcome to the white privilege thread. Everyone please share how racism has little or no effect on you personally and how we should just stop talking about it already. Bonus points if you can mention your non-white friend while you do it. Be warned! This is a honeypot thread wherein bluering and his friends will eventually find themselves rooting for someone who is copy/pasting posts from Stormfront.com but then go on pretending their own bigotry is a figment of other people's imagination. Yes this has already happened.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2014 - 05:32pm PT
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That was a pee-stop that I posted above....FWIW....
Cool thing about suicide-doors, open them both up and a gal can privately squat between them and have her privacy. My wife loves my truck for that. And so do my Asian climber gal-pals.
I don't no what this has to do with racism though, I'll digress.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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This thread is stupid.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2014 - 05:36pm PT
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Welcome to the white privilege thread. Everyone please share how racism has little or no effect on you personally and how we should just stop talking about it already. Be warned! This is a honeypot thread wherein bluering and his friends will eventually find themselves rooting for someone who is copy/pasting posts from Stormfront.com but then go on pretending their own bigotry is a figment of other people's imagination. Yes this has already happened.
You are exactly why I started this thread...you and people like yourself.
You know how everybody else feels about others. YOU are the authorities on race-relations. But you only look at it through a blinder of "white privaledge". That's all you care to consider.
Nothing else to see.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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"Is [race] really a big deal right now?"
No truer whitesplaining has ever been done. Preach on, brother.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2014 - 05:41pm PT
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This thread is stupid.
Just wait for my 'Misogyny' thread where I claim it is okay to call chix sluts sometimes, even whores. I'm working up to it.
The 'Man-whore' thread is taking some time though.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
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Some people saw the problem a while ago;
"There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well."
Booker T. Washington (clever man).
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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You will know it's come full circle when a black man gets banned for life for calling a white guy a racist
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Who among you as ever told a Pollock Joke?
Not one of those innocuous ones like Pollock's don't make ice cubes because they forgot the recipe or broke their racking leaves by falling out of the tree kind but one of those really mean spirited hateful kind? I grew up as a kid of Polish descent at a time their wasn't much pride in being Polish. Had to endure a constant assault of prejudiced jokes. No biggie though not compared to raising three kids with a woman of Palestinian Arab descent. NOt many people in America have a very positive view of Palestinians. Lots of prejudice and racism there.
The mass proletariat of America hates who their puppet masters tell them to.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2014 - 05:58pm PT
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bluering, how close do you live to a Community College? De Anza College is in my 5 mile perimeter
I'm a graduate of San Jose City College, btw
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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I haven't heard enough about how talking about race is a waste of time since it won't be "solved in our lifetime." OP is kinda light.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Who among you as ever told a Pollock Joke?
As a young grade schooler, I heard the kids telling Pollock jokes. I not knowing what a Pollock was, decided it must be an animal of some kind. I went home and told my parents about these funny jokes about Pollocks and was educated as to what a Pollock is. My folks didn't tell jokes like that and have always had an open door to people regardless of race.
Bigotry seems an equal opportunity condition.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2014 - 06:32pm PT
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I think what we all understand now is that, irrefutably, you judge people on character or personality. We do obviously look at people and make assumptions, and judge people. If you disagree, you're a liar.
Everybody does this, and if you don't judge people on appearance you're a fool probably. The key, in most cases, is to withhold judgement until you're engaged with this person.
Since I dislike most people, I usually head for the bar, "I need another drink", and lose them.
I think racism is confused with just bad people.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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You have it exactly opposite. We've won the cultural fight on if racism is ok or not. Basically everyone agrees it isn't and that racists are bad people. That creates a situation where when someone gets called out for racist behavior or statements they think "well that can't be true because racists are bad people and I'm a good person ergo what I said can't be racist." Then they start new threads to talk about how talking about race is futile since it will never be fixed to further justify their deep, deep denial. Good people can be racist or participate in perpetuating racist culture. Our country was founded by them. They are also capable of admitting to their own missteps and improving upon them.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2014 - 07:00pm PT
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You have it exactly opposite. We've won the cultural fight on if racism is ok or not. Basically everyone agrees it isn't and that racists are bad people. That creates a situation where when someone gets called out for racist behavior or statements they think "well that can't be true because racists are bad people and I'm a good person ergo what I said can't be racist." Then they start new threads to talk about how talking about race is futile since it will never be fixed to further justify their deep, deep denial. Good people can be racist or participate in perpetuating racist culture. Our country was founded by them. They are also capable of admitting to their own missteps and improving upon them.
keep
Awesome! I have identified the problem. HDDJ. Keep festering in pools of racism, while some of us swim in joy.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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where's the man whore thread???
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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I'd like to take this time to say that I believe this to be a great contribution to the forum and I very much look forward to all the intellectual conversation that is soon to take place...
Word. Well actually more than one, but word anyway.
To you mother ...
-Vanilla Ice
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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You Americans 'solved' slavery with a gun, among other things like British rule. It didn't solve racism.
My family feels more at home in Canada as far as racism goes. Could be because of the way we solve problems. Also because we have fewer big cities with dense abrasive populations.
I like those pollock jokes, reminds me of growing up with people who could make fun of themselves and we enjoyed our differences together. When I moved to LA it was painful to be in a society that had so many racial tensions - but you guys won't ever get over it because of the ideas on this thread - - the people who aren't all white dis the guys they think are - essentially not letting someone be themselves because of the colour of their skin. Society sucks with that behavior exhibited, but it is socially acceptable in the US so it's not going away anytime soon.
EDIT : JUst for fun, quotes from other threads on the front page to prove my point...
Those fatboi crackers are going to get a hard civics lesson courtesy of the US Constitution.
Well, I don't want to post any more, but generally it doesn't give you a warm feeling to be a human being on the Taco or in America with what is generally accepted speech. If just you guys on the Taco could speak with respect so could the rest of the country. But for some reason, it's not your way. The guy quoted above won't because of the constitution, and i'm sure everyone else has an equally noble reason to behave in this manner.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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bluering posted Awesome! I have identified the problem. HDDJ. Keep festering in pools of racism, while some of us swim in joy.
It's true! Racism is only a problem if you talk about it!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2014 - 07:31pm PT
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why don't we talk education...
HDDJ, you will never kill racism.....
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Step away from the whiskey bottle my friend.
Lets go climb somewhere next weekend, eh?
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Obviously self awareness is not something you are aware of Bluering.
If I was you I'd nuke this thread before you choke on your ankle.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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bluering posted HDDJ, you will never kill racism.....
Yes, I can see you are very committed to the cause.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2014 - 08:21pm PT
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Step away from the whiskey bottle my friend.
Lets go climb somewhere next weekend, eh?
Well, you know me too well. I really need to get out!
I am caling people. Yer on the list
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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I say a long day trip is in order.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2014 - 08:24pm PT
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RyanD, an HDDJ, do you guys really consider me to be racist?
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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I don't think you are racist Blue. I don't even know you personally so I'm not qualified to make that sort of judgement.
My problem is that this thread you have started brings nothing positive to the forum & your attitude towards the topic seems wishy washy at best.
Basically it sounds like you are spewing about something you know nothing about in between contradictory statements. In other words it's a lame troll about an obvious touchy subject.
Peace out.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Of course not. Where on Earth would you have gotten that idea?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2014 - 09:03pm PT
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What makes me unqualified to speak about race-relations?
I think I'm perfect for the job.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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You are doing a really excellent job of illustrating race relations in America. Keep up the strong work.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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All Tribes hate the others.
Even babies raised by one race will flinch at the sight of another color.
Dogs do it too.
It's based on what is familiar to you as an infant.
That's why mixed-race marriages will save the world.
When everyone is colored - who will care?
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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BLUE.....
Good thread...
my take on this is... its dying out.
slowly though, very slowly.
Please keep it up.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2014 - 09:26pm PT
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That's what I'm here for, HDDJ!
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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my take on this is... its dying out.
^^^This was my Generation's hope as we endured growing up in the South during the late 60's thru the early 70's...the hope that once the old Massa's had died off that the world would change.
I had a front row seat for everything from being half-raised by a Black Mammy to the burning of Atlanta, saw sermons by Martin Luther King and Billy Graham. Even shook hands with Jesse J when I was 10.
Hell's Bell's - my Grandma's family even owned a plantation AND slaves!
Was a 5th grade honor student crossing guard when the first integration buses rolled into our school. Saw the cops gas kids, parents scream words no Christian should say aloud, saw terror in the eyes of 6 year old Black kids, saw hatred and fear so close it dripped on me like thick rain.
And through it all - those of us who were kids in the late 60's in South Carolina truly believed that this madness would end when those who hated - those old f*#ks from another time and place - when they finally died - the madness would finally end. I counted my own Grandparents among those hold-outs - nothing would change their minds - so wait the f*#kers out was the motto.
It seemed to be working by the mid 70's - white kids were mesmerized by black culture. My sparring partner on the wrestling team was a black kid - neither of us caught anything and neither of us dropped dead.
Jump ahead 40 years where we should be so past this ancient crap that no one even remembers to talk about it - but f*#k no - somewhere between bad economies and Fox news - the racist bastards have returned from the dead and infected a whole new generation of haters.
I'm thinking it's the last gasps of the zombie white race and like all last gasps will peter out in a few more years.
At least I thought this would be true.
Now I hear the two nine year old black girls we pay to walk our dog rip apart the "Mexicans".
The half-Navaho/half- Oaxacan 18 year old girl that my wife tutors goes on about the lazy Blacks.
The 3rd and 4th generation Hispanic guys at my work bitch about the Mixtecs, the Guatos and the Salvies - "illegal f*#kers can't even speak Spanish"!
My lily-white neighbor swears the Asians are why his kid didn't get accepted at Cal Berkeley.
I'm thinking that racism will never die.
I'm thinking that only the color changes.
Sad.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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you will never kill racism.....
That's because they took the guns out of our cold, dead fingers.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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My lily-white neighbor swears the Asians are why his kid didn't get accepted at Cal Berkeley.
because they study their ass's off and score high on the SAT's?
or does he think they get accepted because of "affirmative action" and so his kid got screwed?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Glanton posted If you had a job doing real mans work, you wouldn't act like such a fag.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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bouldering88,
interesting that the Asians are against Affirmative Action, they know how smart and capable their kids are and don't want one denied a college slot because that slot could go to a designated "other minority"
they ARE confident people!
I do believe in some, carefully controlled Affirmative Action, but only when its application does not deprive another equally or better qualified applicant from the opportunity
thank you for that link, too
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2014 - 11:14pm PT
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I do believe in some, carefully controlled Affirmative Action, but only when its application does not deprive another equally or better qualified applicant from the opportunity
You're a clueless idiot.
Affirmative action is racism.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Blue that is like saying Title 9 is misogyny.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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Affirmative action is racism.
What then affirmative reaction? Anti-racism?
Why are you riding this dead horse blue? I thought we determined over on the other thread that you are not a racist.
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I did get into UC Berkeley though I am not Asian* and I didn't have that great a set of SAT scores. I am very smart though and got myself in.
No bribery or skullduggery, though I am a big fan of The Dead.
*My grandfathers & mothers were born in Finland, Scotland and Ireland.
Viva la Raza!
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John M
climber
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Nobody should have to like anybody for any reason.
Its not about liking someone, its about how you treat them. Equally..
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Nice Nita.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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bluering said Affirmative action is racism.
Minorities are significantly more likely to grow up in poor neighborhoods with higher crime, bad schools, higher stress, threats of physical violence, having an incarcerated family member and having a hard time even getting enough to eat without government assistance (school lunches which Republicans seem to enjoy belittling these days) but if someone overcomes that and applies to College and we give them a slight statistical advantage in the application process because of their race...THAT'S when it starts being racism?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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More crazy azzed rWhite wing hate radio Cow Shet Rong.
A consent decree is an agreement or settlement to resolve a dispute between two parties without admission of guilt.[1][2] The plaintiff and the defendant ask the court to enter into their agreement, and the court maintains supervision over the implementation of the decree in monetary exchanges or restructured interactions between parties.[3][4][5][6] It is similar to and sometimes referred to as an antitrust decree, stipulated judgement, settlement agreements or consent judgment.[7][8] Consent decrees are frequently used by federal courts to ensure that businesses and industries adhere to regulatory laws in areas such as antitrust law, employment discrimination, and environmental regulation.[9][10][11]
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Don't you realize that the program that grants free college tuition to American Indians is a racist ploy to keep the tribes from pickin' cotton or working in Casinos
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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I hope you daddios are using protection on your nice phucking days. :-)
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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John M
climber
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Circumstances cannot be racist.
Government policies can be.
sure they can, if they were created by peoples attitudes. Government policy didn't create. "black neighborhoods". People' attitudes did.
Is affirmative action discrimination? In a way it is. It discriminates against whites in an effort to right the actions of the past. Growing up there were many jobs and scholarships that I didn't get because I was white and couldn't overcome the extra points that minorities got.
Do I begrudge this? Nope.. I did for awhile, but then I took a deeper looks at how discrimination has held entire groups of people back.
Is it still necessary today? Thats the question that I ask. . I believe that it certainly was at one point, but am not so certain today. At some point a human has to take over responsibility for where their life is.
( including drunks who behave like as#@&%es, right wing anti government types, redneck crackers, and other types of minorities )
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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I've always found it difficult to not have a NICE..."phucking" day...
yeah, telling people to Have a Nice Day just seems so automatic and phony to me
for many years now when people say that to me I tell them "I have made other plans"
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jstan
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Driving out of the mall one day I passed a black guy with a sign. The sign said, "Need money to go back to Africa." Fascinating the number of levels that plays on.
For most races in the US now, children are being raised by other children. That being the case any group of people in a poorer economic situation will see slower improvement with time. Even when a Dad and Mom have fought their way up a little, it won't change the world their kids see. The kids will still see the average.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Al Gore said his biggest fear is not global warming but Americans aligning themselves in groups based on fear...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 4, 2014 - 12:32pm PT
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Circumstances cannot be racist.
Government policies can be.
Bingo!
My ancestors came here poor, and they were minorities. We got over it.
Without handouts.
Racism will always exist, but it is not the problem it's perceived to be. It's more of a systematic tool to pressure people.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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We got over it.
Without handouts.
a little bit racist
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Bluering you are an ignorant racist. White privelege is a history of handouts. Don't be dense. You are a racist and you are incapable if understanding the difference between justice and injustice.
There is a reason that Indians live on reservations and that African Americans live in poverty. There is a reason that you spew racist ignorance. You are dense.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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zing!
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Is Ron's Muscular Jesus the only god?
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Does Blue want to force religious intolerance on women and doctors?
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Chaff, Ron and Blue are American Fundamentalist Mullahs.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Guns, Booze, Killing and Jesus
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Fear, ignorance and Authoritarianism.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Victims of childhood indoctrination.
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Sanskara
climber
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Flip wins the award for having the balls to state the obvious.
The rest just sit back and watch.
Thank you flip we need more like you in this world and less Ron, Blue, Chuff and the rest of the clan around here that can't see out from under the wool that they are indeed
bigots and just generally bad people at their core...
I'd have to guess that everyone one of these guys al
so drinks too much !
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Locker...Norton has got something coming down the Pipeline....rj
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Thanks Sanskara. I will admit that pissing-off reactionary gun-nuts gives me some second thoughts. Those guys have dangerous minds.
They will probably not recognize me as a progressive insurgent being that I am a tall blue-eyed pale man. They don't realize how few allies they have.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I gots friends that are climbers, not that I'd want my sister to marry one.
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Sanskara
climber
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Dangerous yes..
But after arguing with them enough myself I can't help but to think they are a waste of breath. In reality Ron, Blue, Chuff and quite a few others that have gone Rauge as the topic since it turned bigotry as to not air publicly their ugly hateful heart in a place it could be used against them are nothing more than the lunatic fringe and represent a very very small percentage of the population. They just seem like there are more of them than there are as they have learnt to scream louder than the rest of us like some meat headed chest pumping behemoth Neanderthal retards..
Yes I think a larger percentage of people are racist bigots than we would like to think but Ron, Blue, Chuff and the like take it a step further than just racist to a place of I would imagine real mental illness probably maybe even sociopaths and just certifiable problem type people.
My point is as much as I can't stand a bigots these guys are so much more than just bigots and really nothing more than mentally ill lunatics. Something to worry about sure. Something to confuse with as a reflection of the mass bigoted population not do much...
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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are you going to snitch on them and put them on the naughty list?
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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I am not racist. I love Canadians, except Quebexicans.
Have a nice day!
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Moundhouse? You must be proud.
Hey Ron, what's on the agenda today? Killing, hating or drinking? Or all three? Creepy death worshiper!
You sell weapons to kill people. What would Jesus think?
Not hiding here either. Fisticuffs big guy? Like a man!
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Sanskara
climber
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Spoken like a true f*#king nut...
If you don't think so I suggest you put down the bottle dry out for few years spend a little time investing in some help with regard to your mental health than re read you nonsense..
I have never hidden who I am online.
People that are mental deal with adversity via confrontation. Sane people keep there cool and out think their opponents or find a non confrontation manner to deal that does not include violence. And you guys wonder why we don't want you to own guns. Your f*#king mentally I'll and dangerous that's why..
Tell me how many medications do you take for anxiety, depression or any other myriad of mental health issues. Also tally about how much alcohol you consume on average in a week. If you do any illegal drugs tally them up while your at it. If your answer is even one and I'd bet it's more than one shut up your opinion doesn't count clouded under all that sickness ..
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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no I didn't snitch on you like some f*#king pussy. why would I? kicking people out of my sandbox because we don't see eye to eye ain't my style.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Sierra: wtf is wrong with Quebexico?!
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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I'm curious, and quite serious. How is being prejudiced against someone for their beliefs any different than being racist?
By name calling and flinging poo, you weaken your position and it's difficult for me to take you seriously. And by you, I mean anyone on either side of the argument.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Was Ron's MIA period during the Bundy shitshow? Ron, is that your crowd?
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Michelle, is that a real question?
Do you mean that ignorance is as valuable as wisdom? Racism as valuable as tolerance? Violence as valuable as peace? By your logic, hating racism and racism are equal. That's just dense.
Only in America do we worship ignorance and praise idiocy. If you don't understand what is wrong with arming teachers or racism then what value is your question?
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Where in what I ask implies what you suggest?
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Sierra: wtf is wrong with Quebexico?!
Like the god damn French child molestors, all I ever get from the Quebexican bastards is "Je ne vous comprend pas."
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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In Gaspé a gas station attendant wouldn't accept my American Express Travelers Check.
His boss gave him a dope slap. "FOU!"
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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maudits américains
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Gazon maudit to you!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Locker...Real men can admit they have Sand in the Box syndrome...Start thinking outside the Box...rj
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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I'm curious, and quite serious. How is being prejudiced against someone for their beliefs any different than being racist?
how? in fact the two could not be more different
racism is a bigotry that is groups all members of a particular race together as in "niggers"
being prejudiced against someone for their beliefs is just that, one person who you dislike
because you don't like or agree with what they think or believe
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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After 137 posts on the subject by ST pundits, it seems late, but logical, to post the Merriam-Webster dictionary definition of racism.
1
: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2
: racial prejudice or discrimination
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
How about the Oxford American English definition too.
racism
Syllabification: rac·ism
Pronunciation: /ˈrāˌsizəm
noun
1. The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/racism
Of course logical discourse is not a normal discussion method for several folks on this thread.
Spew on Ladies & Gentlemen, and the rest of you too.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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racial prejudice
What if discrimination of postjudicial?
I mean, what if I hate someone after I've met them?
Why do people still call it racism and prejudice?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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'More Whites Believe In Ghosts Than Believe In Racism'
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Unless SLR means that he met "them" and can therefore be prejudiced against 'them all'.
As in, I met a white bigot therefore all whites are bigots. That's poor reasoning based on bad assumptions.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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My point is this. Hate is hate. Calling someone a right wing gun toting nut is equally prejudicial as calling someone some racial slur. Lumping people into categories is mental laziness. I'm more interested in talking to people without having to resort to name calling. If discourse is dense, then I guess I'm dense. I'm not sure how I turned into a person that supports arming teachers. Enlighten me.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Michelle,
C'mon! "Hate is hate". That's a silly platitude.
Slave and the Master hate eachother. Is that the same hate?
Being a right-wing gun-nut is a choice. Skin color isn't. Try to understand the difference.
Bruce, you rule!
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Sanskara
climber
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Thank god For Bruce.
This place would be voice of brains without him myself included in that statement. The man can intelligently back up everything he saiz.
I am sure many that lurk also could but for a myriad of reason choose to just sit quietly on the sidelines..
Your a smart guy Bruce but at least one little piece of you has to be broken to play in the sandbox with the rest of us intellectual and moral invalids...
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Thanks Bruce! Great posts. Any idea what the F in F-scale stands for?
I suppose it would not be Fukker?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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I'm new to this particular slug fest and I'm not gonna read the previous 100+ posts
But I will have a go at bluey's starter:
Before knee-jerking into our own brief history, consider also the history of Asian racism. It was more ethnic than racist, but kinda the same thing. Bigotry. That can be taken two ways.
Is that Whitey's racism against Asians or Asians' against others?
I presume it's Whitey's burden.
was more ethnic than racist OK, so what is ethnic?
How many Asians are Muslim?
Since Asian is being called an ethnicity I'll take it liberally.
Take a look at this map of Asia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Dust
I'd guess that about 40% of Asians are Muslims.
You recently said (on another thread) "Muslims are on my radar"
So something like 40% of Asians are on your radar?
How can you tell which of the Asians are the suspicious Muslims?
Oh yeah, at least it's easy to spoke the Muslim women who wear the veil. And their male companions are therefore also on your radar.
I'm not even going near your conflation of ethnicity with race.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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I like the points being brought up. I personally agree with you Bruce but I do stand by my comment. Hate IS hate, regardless the cause. Is it worse to hate the right wing nut because he makes a choice? Sure, it's perhaps ignorance on their part. How does anyone expect to converse about these topics or effect change when the sh.it is being slung?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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With More bullets.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Bruce,
I enjoy the distinction between authority and authoritarian. Authority is based on expertise. Authoritarianism is based on power.
Michelle, I see from your pictures that you enjoy guns. Great. Fine. Whatever. But, do you realize that you are on the pro-racism side of this conversation. You can't really think that tolerance means being tolerant of racist hate. Can you?
P.s. You do know that the military is a socialist organization right. Just like LEO's and the BLM and the National Parks and highways and schools and hospitals and medical schools are social programs. Just saying. Paid by all of us for social welfare. Yay progress!
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Bruce, I see your point.
Flip, how little you know about me.
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Sanskara
climber
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Flip you're funny you got me rolling over here.
You're also right.
Like me no one is going hear you because you don't stroke their ego before you deliver the blow.
You Could probably give a sh#t is my best guess and I wouldn't blame you...
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Sanskara
climber
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If that how you see it that's how you see it just as I choose to interpret what I do as I do.
Imop it's not ego stroking on my part but a complete distain for ugly people with ugly hearts. Look if people where so outspoken with regard to their preference of Coke vrs Pepsi I could give a f*#k. But most often the conversation is not about anything of the sort and more about that of equal human rights for all and things like capital punishment.
Lotsa people on ST at least those that choose to have a voice leave little to desire with regard to integrity equal human rights and ethics.
What i am saying is racism bigotry and hate are not qualities I can see any reason to tolerate. No questions zero zilch nada never. I also think anyone who posses such qualities should be stomped out like the little piss ant they are and made to feel like the worthless pices of sh#t they are.
But hey if that's stroking my ego so be it I guess I'll choose ego strokes over ugly racist bigot anyday..
Simply put yes I feel better than a old drunk racist...
Now back to the Good Wife..
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Authority is based on expertise. A democracy willingly cedes Authority to its elected representatives in exchange for social benefits.
Law and order, transportation systems, defense against enemies domestic and foreign.
Authority relies on trust, respect and mutual responsibility. It is a two way street. When it breaks down a group can move towards Authoritarianism or Anarchy.
The serviceman's oath
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
I suppose once you've left the military you can ignore any part of it you like.
There's always the Pledge of Allegiance. So short and direct even a Bundyite "militia" should be able to understand it.
"....one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all..."
(under God wasn't added until 1954......not coincidentally during the McCarthy period)
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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2. I have no gun but... cops come after the fact, crime is going up and i've got a new baby and wife and home I have to protect. We live near gangland. So the thought has crossed my mind. I also know a man in jail because he killed his daughters abusive boyfriend (the bullet passed through and hit the daughter) thats irony. Shitty situations abound.If the laws really worked .....? My point is that I'd rather waste a dangerous meth-head and live with the consequences than be unable to protect my family from same. When I was single I could run away. Not so much anymore.When I lived in Switzerland I learned that most Swiss have guns at home(and military training). Very low murder rates. Guns are very democratic. If every unfortunate Islamic woman in Afghanistan who fears the stick had a 22 under her burka the Taliban kooks (yeah I said it) might think twice.
change of heart?
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coolrockclimberguy69
climber
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White people discussing racism. Always a hoot.
Happy Cinco de Mayo, gueros!
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Sanskara
climber
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That's fine and when said people leave behind their bigoted ugly ways then and only then will I consider anything they say worthy of consideration.
Some things can be seen beyond allowing for mutual respect between parties that do not see eye to eye. I'm sorry racists and bigots do not offer as much to those whom they suppress why should anyone offer it to them..
When they recant I will reconsider ;)
Until then we'll I got nothing for them as they are deserving only of that they offer..
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Hey wait, did I suggest tolerating racism? Please read my mind for me again. You crack me up.
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Sanskara
climber
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No you did not but I'm not in anyway referencing you either.
Do I think teachers should have guns no but this is not about that. Nor is it reason enough for me to form an opinion you.
My reference is toward those whom make blatant racist comments or defend and in a round about way support those that make racist comments imop condoning racism rather than condemning it.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Roger that.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Michelle,
I'm for responsible gun laws. I have no idea of your politics or race view. I trolled for right-wing racist gun-nuts sorry if you took the bait. I'm really against racism. That's all. Oh and militarized american tough-guy Christians creep me out.
Thanks for the laughs. Y'all.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 5, 2014 - 07:47pm PT
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White people discussing racism. Always a hoot.
Happy Cinco de Mayo, gueros!
So, are you implying only white people can be racists? And speaking of Mexico and Cinco de Mayo, do you know how they treat people entering their country illegally?
I'm for responsible gun laws. I have no idea of your politics or race view. I trolled for right-wing racist gun-nuts sorry if you took the bait. I'm really against racism. That's all. Oh and militarized american tough-guy Christians creep me out.
Sounds like you are the one with a problem. I own guns, am Christian. So what? Both are perfectly legal, and quite common. Maybe you are the anomaly.
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Gerg
Trad climber
Calgary
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Hey where is the guy who wanted to punch someone in the head if they were rascist?!
That was 2013 funniest ST post.
2nd being the Jackson Hole kids in Peru.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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May 11, 2014 - 11:32am PT
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Michelle writes:
" Calling someone a right wing gun toting nut is equally prejudicial as calling someone some racial slur. Lumping people into categories is mental laziness."
If the shoe fits....
Choosing to live as a sad stereotype cliché is mental laziness, oder?
Since you pick 1187, I will tell you that my family name comes from the third crusade. That means 1000 years of Christian murdering right wing crusades.
Bis spater.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 15, 2014 - 04:49pm PT
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"no, I'm not a racist"
Meanwhile police racism is alive and well in lily white Wolfeboro NH
Police Commissioner Copeland
"I believe I did use the 'N' word in reference to the current occupant of the Whitehouse," Copeland said in an excerpt from an email he sent to his fellow police commissioners acknowledging his remark and then forwarded to O'Toole. "For this, I do not apologize — he meets and exceeds my criteria for such."
Copeland also wrote: "While I believe the problems associated with minorities in this country are momentous, I am not phobic." About 20 black people live in Wolfeboro, a town of 6,300 residents in the scenic Lakes Region, in the central part of New Hampshire. The town manager's office said none of the police department's 12 full-time officers is black or a member of another minority. One of its part-time officers is black. http://www.theguardian.com/world/feedarticle/11344023
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 15, 2014 - 06:12pm PT
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not so fast on Switzerland
The devil is in the details
The vast majority of men between the ages of 20 and 30 are conscripted into the militia and undergo military training, including weapons training. The personal weapons of the militia are kept at home as part of the military obligations; Switzerland thus has one of the highest (well regulated) militia gun ownership rates in the world I added the (well regulated) to show what our Founding Fathers in fact had in mind.
In October 2007, the Swiss Federal Council decided that the distribution of ammunition to soldiers shall stop and that all previously issued ammo shall be returned. By March 2011, more than 99% of the ammo has been received. Only special rapid deployment units and the military police still store ammunition at home today.[5]
.......keeping the weapon after end of service requires a license.
To carry a loaded firearm in public or outdoors (and for an individual who is a member of the militia carrying a firearm other than his Army-issue personal weapons off-duty), a person must have a Waffentragbewilligung (gun carrying permit), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.[13] It is, however, quite common to see a person serving military service to be en route with his rifle, albeit unloaded.
and the Swiss have one of the lowest homicide rates by any means in the world
The annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population was 0.70, which is one of the lowest in the world.[19] The annual rate of homicide by guns per 100,000 population was 0.52.
There appears to by a synergy between the public good, gun control and very low gun homicides in Switzerland.
Or do you interpret the facts differently?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
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