Rancher +Militia vs BLM,trouble on the range.(OT)

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philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Apr 22, 2014 - 10:24am PT

"We have spied the enemy and he is us".
-pogo

Kos there's in your cartoon.
Are you trying to upset some people's sensitivities? :-)

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Apr 22, 2014 - 10:33am PT

"Same as it ever was"

-Talking Headz

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Apr 22, 2014 - 10:36am PT

"I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain"

-Bene Gesserit

blahblah

Gym climber

Boulder

Apr 22, 2014 - 11:08am PT

Haha oh god this is a great post. You are exactly describing the situation that is CURRENTLY HAPPENING. The dude ignored numerous court orders and the BLM showed up to confiscate his trespassing cows and Ron's sage grouse massacring friends showed up screaming "this is are country" and waving guns around. The BLM brought in bigger guns to protect themselves and now you're wondering why they didn't do exactly what they already did.

The above raises a very good point.
The government has no power to levy bank accounts, foreclose on real property, place liens on property, or take any other similar action if you owe it money.
And ranchers typically don't need bank accounts--it's a "cash only" business.
The only recourse the government has is to send in SWAT officers to seize personal property by force. It may not be well known, but that is standard operating procedure for the government to collect its debts.

We should also remember that the government never sends its own agents to infiltrate suspected "domestic terrorist" organizations, so we can be absolutely sure that every self-proclaimed "protester" was in fact a genuine nutjob and not a government agent.

We have a perfect government and it never makes mistakes, except sometimes our federal agents just get too darn lenient and give terrorists a pass when the terrorists point guns at the agents. Despite their rigorous training, it is almost impossible to suppress federal agents' deep desire to avoid causing harm, or even to hurt the feelings, of any living being.

So all-in-all, we can only give the government an A+ grade for the way it handled this brouhaha, instead of the A++ it generally merits.

fluffy

Trad climber

Colorado

Apr 22, 2014 - 11:19am PT

Ron you are a disgusting deplorable human being. Go wrap yourself with some other nations' flag you are unworthy of calling yourself an American, much less a patriot. You're a gun-crazed brainwashed old coot, go peddle crazy someplace else dipsh*t. Hope you get the beat down you so richly deserve and, deep down, are praying for.

Comparing your cowardly acts to Snowden's?? Fu ck you.

Wade Icey

Trad climber

www.alohashirtrescue.com

Apr 22, 2014 - 11:20am PT

The Governor, and our Congressman and Senators all are behind the patriots

just as the "Patriots' are all behind their women.

blahblah

Gym climber

Boulder

Apr 22, 2014 - 11:26am PT

Ranchers don't have Bank accounts?????

No. When they sell their cattle, it's strictly on a "cash only" basis.
Same for when they buy new trucks and farm implements and stuff like that--that stuff tends to be inexpensive, so they just whip out their wallets and hand over a few greenbacks. Running a ranch with hundreds of cattle is a lot like buying and selling trinkets over Craigslist--you are basically out of the formal financial system.
So even if the government had the power to do things like levy bank accounts, which it absolutely does not, that power would not help in this case.

Glad I could clear that up for you--let me know if you have any other questions on this one.
As a general rule--here's the way to think about it: do you think the government may have done anything wrong whatsoever here, such as not arresting heavily armed nutjobs threatening to kill the federal agents?
If the thought that the government did anything wrong even crosses your mind, don't despair, just think about it a little harder, take in some of the wisdom generated on this thread, and it will all start making sense.

guyman

Social climber

Moorpark, CA.

Apr 22, 2014 - 11:34am PT

Fluffy..... are you having a hard time? a bad day? you need to go bouldering and chill out.

fluffy

Trad climber

Colorado

Apr 22, 2014 - 11:43am PT

Fluffy..... are you having a hard time? a bad day? you need to go bouldering and chill out.

Pfffft you don't know me

I have less tolerance for this crap than a lot of you, you're clearly able and willing to engage Ron et. al day after day as they do their little song and dance. Not me. These maniacs are crazy dangerous and WRONG and they're gonna hear it from me. Grow a pair.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Apr 22, 2014 - 11:53am PT

The above raises a very good point.
The government has no power to levy bank accounts, foreclose on real property, place liens on property, or take any other similar action if you owe it money...
The only recourse the government has is to send in SWAT officers to seize personal property by force. It may not be well known, but that is standard operating procedure for the government to collect its debts.

And exactly which of your remedies there...levying accounts and similar, physically removes said cattle from the land in question?

Collecting back fees/debt was one part of the equation. Getting the moo-moo land maggots off the land in question was the other part. You are neglecting half the equation.

drljefe

climber

El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson

Apr 22, 2014 - 11:57am PT

unless you're waterfowl, mexican, or puffpastry

guyman

Social climber

Moorpark, CA.

Apr 22, 2014 - 12:14pm PT

True, I know nothing about YOU except what I read, your posting a bunch of hate, aimed mostly at Ron.

Nothing, no person, no issue, on the net should get one that worked up.

And I do have a pair.

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Apr 22, 2014 - 12:17pm PT

drljefe,, FYI every person ive shot has been,,, WHITE. Just keeping the record straight here..

So how many white guys have you shot Ron?
Or are puff pastry people my friends?

And what's next for the Patri-idiots of Ron's Brigands?

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
brigand (ˈbrɪɡənd)
n
1. (Professions) a bandit or plunderer, esp a member of a gang operating in mountainous areas

Brigandage refers to the life and practice of brigands: highway robbery and plunder,[1] and a brigand is a person who usually lives in a gang and lives by pillage and robbery.[2]

Gary

Social climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Apr 22, 2014 - 12:34pm PT

I just hope the crook and those thugs end up doing time.

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Apr 22, 2014 - 12:42pm PT

Dingus, Ron may be as innocuous as melba toast and as weak as water but the contemptuous message he and the Bundy Brigande parrot IS dangerous.

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Apr 22, 2014 - 12:45pm PT

Ya see you dirty hippie tree hugging peace-niks what you need is high power weapons and flak jackets then the dirty coppers'll have to back off.
Do they make body armor in tie-dye?

And blocking a public sidewalk like that how dare you everyone knows true patriots block Interstates.

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Apr 22, 2014 - 12:53pm PT

Dingus, Ron is a symptom of a pervasive societal disease.
An indicator of greater malaise. His is not an isolated and thus ignorable voice in the wind.