Rancher +Militia vs BLM,trouble on the range.(OT)

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Indianclimber3

Trad climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 11, 2014 - 04:38pm PT
This may get ugly
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/11/militias-head-nevada-ranchers-standoff-feds-were-n/
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 11, 2014 - 05:00pm PT
Nevatarded.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Apr 11, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 11, 2014 - 05:11pm PT
Nevadastan. Utard. Youda'ho.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 11, 2014 - 05:27pm PT
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dirtbag

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 05:43pm PT
If those stoopid militia zealots interfere and get tazed or shot then boo frickin hoo.
Urizen

Ice climber
Berkeley, CA
Apr 11, 2014 - 06:12pm PT
Doesn't this belong on on the "Where's Ron" thread?
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Apr 11, 2014 - 06:15pm PT
More Alex Jones nuttery for the feeble minded.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 11, 2014 - 06:15pm PT
I am sure Indianclimber, to her credit, is not up to speed, or more aptly
down to speed, with all the latest 'events' that have transpired here, let
alone all the impotent threads.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Apr 11, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
Reilly...Which important threads were you referring to...? rj
John M

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 07:35pm PT
Fees are imposed on national park lands. Entrance fees. Some fees were tried for using national forest land and yes, climbers were against it. You have to pay a fee to use the national forest land around Sedona. Its called the red rock pass. You can complain about it. I have. I have no problem with this guy fighting these fees But his arguments are poor and so are his methods.

Its not whether this guy is against it or not. Its how he has gone about it. Blockading law enforcement is not a very good idea.

Most people complain about fishing licenses, but we still pay it. My own thought on fishing licenses is that their needs to be a national license, with the majority of the money going to the state it was bought in. This would mean you wouldn't have to buy licenses in every state you want to fish in. But that is another subject.

If this guy had a case, I am willing to bet that the Nevada Cattlemen's association would have come out for him. But they haven't.
fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Apr 11, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
Who is profiting from climbing on BLM land? Grazing fees are just part of the business if you want to use public land for profit. And climbers impacts are inconsequential compared to grazing. Your comparison is retarded.

Red herring for dinner eh?

fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Apr 11, 2014 - 07:53pm PT
Nobody is this stupid right? I'm getting trolled? Hope so...
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 11, 2014 - 07:56pm PT
The NPS charges for bivy permits.

Denali levies fees as well.



Truth is, if there were no motorized travel in the national parks then there would be no problem.

The NPS's problems are of their own making.
John M

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 07:58pm PT
The NPS charges you to get into the park. Which means that you couldn't climb unless you pay that fee. So in essence they charge a fee to climb.

I didn't say anything about BLM land. I did not say anything about user fees on BLM land, though I believe you need a fishing license to fish on BLM land in California. If I am wrong, then I would love to be corrected. That would be a user fee.

There is a fee to use National forest land around Sedona. It is called the red rocks pass.

http://www.redrockcountry.org/passes-and-permits/index.shtml

John M

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:00pm PT
Anytime there's a P-Falcon Closure or any crag location gets shut down, the storm from this community begins.


No difference.

I have yet to see climbers calling in a militia, or blockading rangers from doing their jobs. Have you?
John M

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
I have no problem with people filing lawsuits.

And as of 4 days ago the Nevada Cattlemen's association had stayed on the sidelines. There is a lot of money in cattle. If they thought this guy had a case… they would have come out much sooner. Now that the government is confiscating this guys cows, they are speaking up. But only to talk about the methods..

John M

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:13pm PT
Yes.. they aren't saying that the fees are illegal or wrong..
John M

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:15pm PT
can anyone confirm for me that you need a fishing license on BLM land?
dirtbag

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:17pm PT
Yes, but you don't need one to troll on supertopo.
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