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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 10, 2014 - 05:24pm PT
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Guido
Thanks for the really marvelous pics!!!!
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jimthomsen
Social climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Apr 28, 2014 - 11:13am PT
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Guido.... What a fantastic reply!
When I read other comments, including: "Can someone here who has extensive world sailing experience, please explain how the one year old and five year old can contribute to that vital Teamwork..." I wanted to make so many comments.
I do have "extensive world sailing experience" and I know many many boats sailing the world with kids. The same question could have been asked of me when my kids were small. We did long backpacking trips before they could walk more than 100 yards, they both did easy roped climbing when they were 8 years old. If we would have had a problem they would not have been able to "contribute to that vital Teamwork".
I think my kids, maybe because of the risks we took, turned out to be better people. The kids I have met who are being raised on sailing boats are the most interesting and intelligent kids I have known.
But Guido does say it so much better than I. Thanks Guido (and thanks for including our facebook comment.)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 28, 2014 - 11:42am PT
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There is a subtle difference between Guido and the rescued parents.
Guido was a responsible parent: he knew what he was doing and he had a sound craft.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Apr 28, 2014 - 01:16pm PT
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The Monday morning quarterbacking quote is apt. If all goes well then you're a hero and great example, and if there is a problem or disaster you were irresponsible.
Kids hurt in car wreck going to grocery store, so tragic and sad and unavoidable. Kids hurt by freak accident on a boat, of course it's parents' fault. It comes down to people evaluating circumstances through their own experiences and comfort zone and abilities and values for how life should be lived, rather than putting themselves into the perspective of the people being judged and granting them the respect and autonomy to live life as they see fit and to share those values with the children they brought into his world.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 28, 2014 - 01:20pm PT
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Putting kids in a car is way more dangerous than putting them in a boat!!
Rad Pics Guido!! Thanks!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 28, 2014 - 01:36pm PT
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Maybe the way you drive, Mike. ;-)
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 28, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
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Maybe the way i used to drive...
Roughly 5,000 boating accidents are counted by the Coast Guard each year. These accidents cause around 750 deaths, 3,500 injuries, and around $36 million in damages to property. The most common recreational boat types involved in accidents are open motorboats (46%), personal watercraft like jet skis (22%), and cabin motorboats (14%). It is important to note that these statistics just apply to reported accidents. Only 5 to 10% of non-fatal boating accidents are reported, so these numbers may in fact be much higher.
United States of America, Road fatalities per 100 000 inhabitants per year 10.4, Road fatalities per 100 000 motor vehicles 15, Road fatalities per 1 billion vehicle-km 8.5 Total fatalities latest year 33 808.
Statistics show, cars are way more dangerous...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 28, 2014 - 01:50pm PT
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...as anyone who has driven on Vangoober Island can attest to.
I still have PTSD from my 5 months up there - those people are nuts!
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 28, 2014 - 01:51pm PT
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Lol... Yes. I grew up there.. Lol
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couchmaster
climber
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Dec 21, 2014 - 09:03am PT
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UPDATE Looks like they have a case against their attorney now as the court has ruled that they sued in the wrong jurisdiction. LOL! Case tossed out: http://news.yahoo.com/judge-dismisses-suit-family-saved-sea-172402402.html
For now.
"SAN DIEGO (AP) — A judge has dismissed a lawsuit against a satellite phone company by a California couple rescued with their sick 1-year-old from a disabled sailboat that was attempting to circle the world.
San Diego Superior Court Judge Judith Hayes ruled that a provision in the contract between Eric Kaufman and Whenever Communications requires any lawsuit to be filed in Florida, where the company's headquarters are located, U-T San Diego reported Saturday ( http://bit.ly/1Cj9BE6 ).
The Kaufmans sued the phone company in July claiming that they would not have lost their boat had they not lost satellite service, which impeded their ability to get medical advice over the phone when one of their two daughters fell ill.
Instead, they were forced to sound an alarm to the Coast Guard, which set off a huge rescue effort hundreds of miles off the Mexican coast involving skydiving National Guardsmen, three U.S. agencies, a plane, a frigate and scores of personnel.
A Navy ship took them to shore, while their boat was left at sea and sank.
After the ruling, family attorney Dan Gilleon said the Kaufmans will file their lawsuit in Florida."
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 21, 2014 - 10:07am PT
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This belongs in the 'Too Many Lawyers' thread.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Dec 21, 2014 - 10:11am PT
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UPDATE Looks like they have a case against their attorney now as the court has ruled that they sued in the wrong jurisdiction. LOL! Case tossed out:
Seriously doubtful.
Nearly impossible to get relief from attorney incompetance.
Neither the sailors nor the stupid attorney bothered to read the contract.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 21, 2014 - 10:14am PT
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'Legal justice' just doesn't do it for me any longer.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 21, 2014 - 10:20am PT
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Never looked in this thread until now nor cared.
But damn ...... gudio's post a few pages back is worthy of it's own thread ......
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John M
climber
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Dec 21, 2014 - 10:36am PT
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But damn ...... gudio's post a few pages back is worthy of it's own thread ......
yep..
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Dec 21, 2014 - 11:34am PT
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The attorney, Dan Gilleon, never met a lawsuit he would not file. He is the consumate attention whore. He is not a bad attorney, but takes some really weak cases.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Dec 21, 2014 - 11:54am PT
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hey there say, quido... wow, great share!!
i was glad when we moved (my married family, not my home-youth family)
to south texas... in the city of san jose, my now-ex and i did not have enough money to go to the various spots that i liked... we did make it to
santa cruz, a few times, though...
but wow, in south texas, we had the coast, the arroyos for fishing and all kinds of open space...
kids need to be outdoors... and learn about how to grow up around it and hone skills that keep them safe--this is best done when they are young...
how much more so, on a boat... the sooner you learn, the more ingrained it is, and the more skills one has... or, in the woodslands... or trailer-living... etc...
of course, some folks should not do this--meaning those that they are reckless and unprepared or could care less about how the kids are faring...
however, some folks, such as what i just mentioned, ^ said above--sadly--
put their kids through 'negligent life' of danger, every day,
as it is... :( far to many homes,
the main thing, which i always say to folks, is this:
WATCH your babies and young kids...
any where, or any time,
in any life style, things can go wrong, these are the things,
that hopefully:
'get one past and out of' being irresponsible... :)
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Dec 21, 2014 - 12:03pm PT
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He is not a bad attorney
I don't know Jon.
Apparenly he is not a good one either. He didn't read the contract or read it and didn't understand it.
Neither a carrot nor a stick will work with some folks in the legal world.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Dec 21, 2014 - 06:44pm PT
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Those crazy parents these days and their obsessive mollycoddling. Don't they want their kids to be prepared when a saber tooth tiger leaps out at them?! Imagine the glory of protecting your family from a saber toothed tiger attack. I miss those days.
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