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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 7, 2014 - 07:52pm PT
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When I was a little kid spending my summers on Martha's Vineyard, my parents would wake up every morning and at 6:30 we'd drive the mile to Katama Beach to have the heavy surf all to ourselves. We'd swim for 10-15 minutes and then go for breakfast.
We were total shark meat.
My dad bought a .458 magnum and said he was going to take me on safari in Africa.
He never did, but I dreamed big and became a rock climber.
At 14 I spent my fifth summer away from home, this time climbing in the Alps.
Were the Kaufmans irresponsible, or raising super T-types?
I'd feel better if they had rescue insurance instead of making US pay for it.
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John M
climber
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no real cost. All of that would go under a training mission. Those guys train regularly. Real life makes it more interesting.
Save a navy rescue squad from boring training missions
Risk something..
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Those lubbers shouldn't have gone out of sight of land. The Navy sank the
boat as it was a hazard to navigation. Hell, it was a hazard sitting at the dock.
signed,
Cap'n Pissgums
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Such rescues seem a fine use of the Navy's personnel and resources. Nothing wrong with doing service for those in need...
... they should not have to pay a dime, they likely have already paid a boatload of taxes into the Navy's budget.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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let's see
heading out in a 38 foot sailboat with your one year old daughter for a trip around the world...
daughter gets very sick
luckily, a US warship is within range and embarks on the rescue
and if the warship was not within range?
your daughter dies because you are 900 miles out in the ocean with no help available
but shouldn't adults pursue their dreams even if their children can be in danger?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Last year I read about a little girl being killed in an auto accident as she was being driven by her mother to the pediatrician.
No one ever said mom there was irresponsible subjecting her kid to that, even though everyone knows driving is one of the most dangerous things people can do.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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But, Chaz, was she 900 miles from land?
And I'm sure she got billed for the ambulance ride so wasn't the DE an ambulance?
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John M
climber
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everyone should just stay home. Dang those early pioneers for risking their kids lives.
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Psilocyborg
climber
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There are things in life worse than death. Kudos to them for trying to live outside the box
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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What's next, running with the bulls and yer one year old?
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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What's next, running with the bulls and yer one year old? No, but maybe you and I could, Reilly! We can run just as fast as a one year old and then we could brag about it.
Dumbshits....
TY
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Anastasia
climber
Home
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Exactly, they wanted to live outside the box and... Didn't take into account that before the age of five, kids are extremely fragile. People today are so use to modern medicine taking care of them that they don't realize that before the 1940, one out of three kids simply didn't LIVE, they died early from various illnesses and the occasional accident. It's why some parents don't understand the concept of risk, don't immunize their kids, give birth outside of hospitals, (granted giving birth usually doesn't need much but when something goes wrong, you usually have only a fifteen minute window to fix it) plus they don't keep an eye on them in dangerous public places and wham... Are so shocked that hey... The kid actually got hurt, sick, DIED. How did that happen?
Yes, I am presently thinking of a kid today I saw in an extremely crowded restaurant who was running around unsupervised that ran into a waitress with a full pot of Hot Coffee. Poor girl burned herself than spill it on the kid that deserved it.
Are those parents guilty of stupidity? Yes... Should they pay for it? No idea really about that. I do know one simple fact, the kid doesn't deserve being a victim of their stupidity and I am happy that they Navy stepped in and saved the child. Doing less is inhumane. Oh and the kid that I mentioned deserved getting burned... Well, yeah, the coffee should have landed on one of it's parents. That would have made perfect karmatic sense.
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overwatch
climber
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Nice visual of parents running with the bulls with babies in rucksacks
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Sanskara
climber
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I sure as hell wouldn't do it with my child.
Sh#t it took me 2 full years to leave my dogs alone for even one night after getting them at 8 weeks old. True story! I can't imagine what I would be like as a parent and here is to never finding out?!
Still each to his own., stupid decision, " But like, that's like my opinion man" ;) the big L for those they set not fans.
We all pay for each other at some point in life/country, actually we all do it everyday. That's how this country works they are called taxes. You really think you are gonna do a dam thing about it. Theses people's taxes payed for this rescue a zillion times over and had you been stupid enough to do what they did it seems your tax dollars woulda gotten you out this pickle also..
It's like paying car insurance and never getting in an accident and lots of people do just that. Who wins the instance agent. I think secretly many think they are for some reason entitled to be the insurance company.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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I was wondering when this would come up. While a bit torn on the subject, I vote for irresponsible. Taking a one year old on a 38' sailboat on an around the world "cruise" reeks of stupidity to me.
My father sailed a bit and once ran into a big storm in the gulf of Mexico with a larger boat (don't know the size but I'm thinking around 50'). He tells me there were several times they nearly rolled. The boat would right itself due to the keel weight, but the consequences could be serious.
What say you seagoat?
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Kudos to them for trying to live outside the box
Live outside the box? I can't imagine anything more pedestrian than what they were doing and how theye did it.
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Old_Duffer
Trad climber
Lake Arrowhead
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3 CRITICAL POINTS HERE: So first of all; kudos and thanks to the rescuers, second; one year old at sea on a small craft on the way to the south seas?; I DO think that is very irresponsible. As a parent that would have loved to take my kids on such an adventure; I would have waited until they were at least 9 years old and frankly I think 16 would have been the best age. Finally, aren't we happy that when the NBC article spoke of payment for rescues; they mentioned hikers, skiers and hunters BUT NOT A SINGLE ROCK CLIMBER !!! It is a rare time that rock climbers aren't unjustifiably singled out for rescue costs.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sick-baby-rescued-sea-who-pays-mission-n74001
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Another case of "pursuing a dream" without considering the consequences to others.
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Dal Maxvill
Social climber
Granite City, Illinois
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We constantly prayed for more dumbasses like these supposed responsible parents to fk up.
Really? You wished evil on people? You wanted bad things to happen to children?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nothing bad happened to anybody.
The boat was the only casualty, and it was sunk on purpose.
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