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karen roseme
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san diego
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Mar 16, 2014 - 10:09am PT
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The meeting is on Tuesday in independence.
I will find out the time and post it tomorrow.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Mar 16, 2014 - 04:56pm PT
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So, Ron, is this where the missing mellow airliner came? Were they turned away like boat people? Reveal, tell all, dump the dirt...
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Mar 16, 2014 - 07:19pm PT
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You're always east of somewhere, with the magnetic pole all wonky. How is the people's living east of eden, it was once noted.
Manana
5am
10-12 ft
10ft 16sWNW (288°)
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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Mar 17, 2014 - 11:00am PT
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Mar 17, 2014 - 11:13am PT
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Proud. Pure comedy gold here. Keep it up, this is great!
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 27, 2014 - 06:26am PT
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The most pertinent post in this thread is...
That is why this is a moot point and a waste of time.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 27, 2014 - 07:59am PT
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http://billmoyers.com/2014/04/25/this-is-how-to-create-a-green-economy-that-works-for-all/
For most Americans, typically, making sure this month’s rent gets paid unfortunately ranks higher than stopping a future sea-level rise. So in his first term, President Obama framed his environmental messages around “green jobs,” with a focus on the economic benefits of “clean tech,” rather than the less politically popular imperative to curb dirty power industries or avert the impending ecological catastrophe
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 27, 2014 - 09:13am PT
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Another issue the Chief keeps trying to make is about the terrible situation that happened to the Dann sisters. And then he wraps it into an argument of the horrendous environmental damage done by the gold mining permitted by the BLM. Both occurrences were deplorable to be sure.
But the questions I have to ask is who was President then, what party controlled congress at the time, and where was the WhiteWing militia when the Dann sisters needed an armed intervention?
The Federal agencies in charge of our public lands have always been in the business of selling off our national assets for a pittance to private for profit rape and run corporations in the extractive mineral fields. I didn't remember any WhiteWingers protesting against the Bush policies promoting these projects for their cronies benefit. Nor do I recall mobs of burly bearded gunmen showing up to protest the Dann sister situation. Hmmmmm.
So now we have a President who's administration actually believes science exists and that it is a good idea to move in a new direction regarding domestic energy production and independence. If the small patches of the total landmass that the BLM permits development on are now used for renewable energy production rather than strip mines I'm good with that and I think that it is a step in the right direction. But now the WhiteWingers come out in armed mobs to say evil Gubmint ovareach.
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KabalaArch
Trad climber
Starlite, California
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Apr 27, 2014 - 11:31am PT
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We added a 1kw array, and solar H/W, about 10 years ago. Started small, with a “solar clothes dryer.” Now it looks like half the homes here have pv.
This tech allows many to build off the Grid. One of the most interesting examples is a home I designed, embedded right in Mammoth. In addition to her 4kw array, she's not connected to the Water District's distribution system, opting for an on-site well instead.
Some years ago, LADWP floated the idea of a conservation easement overlay for the OV, and idea which sank due local distrust of their motives, rightly or otherwise.
Years before this, Nat Geographic featured the OV as “America's de facto National Park.” To many, local and visitor alike, it is. Point here is that this particular proposal is in everyone's back yard.
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