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plasticluvr
Gym climber
ft lauderdale fl
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 9, 2014 - 12:30pm PT
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http://www.deepestvalley.com/sign-the-regpa-petition/
Renewable energy is a good thing, but this place is just to special for development.
I think other sites should be considered.
Taking this away from future generations would be a huge mistake.
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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They take our water.Now they want the land as well. Don't they have sun down there?
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franky
Trad climber
Bishop, CA
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before the hyperbole gets out of control, the document is a planning document which establishes some areas the county prefers for renewable energy development. it does not necessarily invite people in to build wind or solar plants.
The thing people don't seem to realize is that DWP already owns the land, and realistically, the county probably can't do much to stop them from developing energy on their land if they want to.
CEQA seems to be a more likely avenue of stopping DWP from building solar plants than county opposition.
That being said, iterations of this document have suggested the county and its citizens largely support solar plants in the owens valley. I think that's bullsh#t.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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"Modern Science?" Nah, just the cheapest way to earn the most money in the long run....and not paying attention to the "real" long run. imho, lynne
Edit: and yes, I love the Eastside, but Ouray and Ridgeway are fast stealing my heart. :)
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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I signed it and wrote a letter too.
I am sure there is a better place for the solar ranch.
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fairweather
Mountain climber
Roseville, CA
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Mar 10, 2014 - 12:08am PT
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How about all open land along I10 between Indio and Phoenix to start. There's already a few of them out there. No comparison in scenery to the Owens Valley. There are plenty of places to go rather than Owens Valley.
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fairweather
Mountain climber
Roseville, CA
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Mar 10, 2014 - 12:55am PT
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I may have been misunderstood....
I'm not at all for green energy.
The whole climate change thing is a sham, but that's for another thread.
I'm just saying, if you have to build them - do it somewhere else.
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pa
climber
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Mar 10, 2014 - 08:33am PT
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Apparently, solar farms are becoming obsolete. Why create the supply hundred of miles from the demand?
Many countries in Europe are finding it more efficient to place the solar panels on the millions of rooftops and structures already existing in the cities.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Mar 10, 2014 - 11:25am PT
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The problem with residential-based solar panels is that large companies have a harder time charging you for them in perpetuity.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Mar 10, 2014 - 12:45pm PT
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^^^^^^ YUP!! This stuff ought to be kept in the cities where access to transmission lines is easier. Put the source closer to the need. Period. One of the downsides of these utilities not being "public" anymore is that profit is the main motive. There were downsides to the old system too....
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Urmas
Social climber
Sierra Eastside
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Mar 11, 2014 - 01:13pm PT
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I like Andy Selters' article too. While it may be more complicated for DWP to integrate solar energy generation into the urban landscape, It would bring us several steps closer to a decentralized community based power generation system that makes sense in the long run. Large scale generation systems and long distance transmission networks are inefficient and have an unavoidably large environmental impact wherever they are located. Count me in with those who would like to preserve the unique natural environment of the Owens Valley.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 11, 2014 - 01:27pm PT
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I dont want those "solar ranches" ANYWHERE Dingus,, ive seen one and it made me ill. I think its the biggest crock of crap ever.
I am with Ron on this one..... and I hate the GD windturbines also... killing Eagles, Condors and making lots of landscapes very ugly.
Been out to Kelso Valley lately??????
All of that GREEN stuff, that is subsidized by TAX Payers, is BS. Cause it has almost zero addition to the grid.
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barry ohm
Trad climber
escondido, ca
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Mar 11, 2014 - 01:30pm PT
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And the people on the East side Dont use Electricity ?
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Mar 11, 2014 - 01:51pm PT
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Ron, putting these things in the hills of San Diego, or southern California for that matter, is asking for trouble. Why? Fire hazard. These things need to be IN THE CITIES that they support generally speaking. On the roofs of offices, parking structures, and private residences is best and very cost effective to tie into the grid.
None of these monstrosities need be placed in Owens Valley, the Mojave, or any other place in the boonies to supply energy to Southern California.
I do have solar panels on my house. Covers all household electricity for us.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 11, 2014 - 01:56pm PT
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"How dare you! NOT in my backyard."
A fair observation, but some places are better choices for such projects than others, for reasons beyond strict utilitarianism & functionality.
And you can bet yer arse that if they put such a plant in one of your favorite Woodsford Canyon-like places, you'd be bitching to high heaven right here.
Nope...you're just being a muckraking rabblerouser with comments like that. Back to your hole, troll!
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 11, 2014 - 02:22pm PT
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They need something to cover up that dusty old lake. Might as well cover it with solar panels. It will keep the dust down and probably improve air quality.
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barry ohm
Trad climber
escondido, ca
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Mar 11, 2014 - 02:23pm PT
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Actually, San Diego-Imperial valley has a explosion of windfarm solar projects. Do I think the East side is the place to build solar? No. What I do think is the USA needs a plan for th next 25 years and a plan for the nxt 100 years for our Electricity demand, Water storage and treatment, sewage and infrastructure. Most of our infrastructure was developed 50-100 years ago and we are all living off the Backs of that generation. While I consider myself to be Environetally aware, I have spent much of my life working for a Utillity and see solar projeects nothing more than a bandaid of a bigger issue, Cheers
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 11, 2014 - 02:24pm PT
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Chief, you are a typical troll. Back to your hole!
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