Do you love the East Side?

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apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Mar 11, 2014 - 02:44pm PT

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Mar 11, 2014 - 02:51pm PT

OK, Chief....you win. See ya!

barry ohm

Trad climber

escondido, ca

Mar 11, 2014 - 02:57pm PT

and the Internet needs Electricity, massive amounts of Electricity

Alpamayo

Trad climber

Sacramento, CA

Mar 11, 2014 - 03:03pm PT

and the Internet needs Electricity, massive amounts of Electricity

Thant's seriously funny since it posted by someone named ohm!

Urmas

Social climber

Sierra Eastside

Mar 11, 2014 - 03:25pm PT

This is what I love about ST! A thread is started about something, and quickly devolves into petty mudslinging! Rather than provide information and stimulate discussion about the topic, people find it more entertaining to be snarky toward one another.

Carry on boys.

karen roseme

Mountain climber

san diego

Mar 11, 2014 - 03:35pm PT

At its March 18 meeting, the Board of Supervisors has the ability to approve the REGPA as is, approve an amended version or reject the plan altogether. The board may also ask for the plan to be amended and brought back for future approval.

http://www.inyoregister.com/node/5683

It would be great to see people show up at the meeting.

Mungeclimber

Trad climber

Nothing creative to say

Mar 11, 2014 - 03:41pm PT

Energy transmission, like water supplies, has a cost. Which is not to say that profit should be the main goal of a utility district.

But NutAgain is right...

"The problem with residential-based solar panels is that large companies have a harder time charging you for them in perpetuity."

So how do we subsidize the cost of solar power installations and maintenance without forcing people to put it on their roofs, and also paying for it themselves.

The Owens could probably handle some solar power installations, but at what point that tips over and becomes an eyesore rather than an inspiration to solar power, I don't know.

At the very least, it could power Mammoth, Bishop and Ridgecrest. Now the follow up question is where do you store all the battery farms for storing that solar energy at night? Battery Acid in my backyard?

climber

Mar 11, 2014 - 09:55pm PT

DWP owns most of the Owens Valley.
If this plan is approved, what's to stop them from doing more...all the way to Bishop?

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Mar 11, 2014 - 10:07pm PT

Good to see ya out walking Urmas..rj

johntp

Trad climber

socal

Mar 11, 2014 - 10:17pm PT

solar is knott as green as it is cracked up to be. they will come in and plow up a few thousand acres for 275 mw. a natural gas combined cycle plant would produce 1200 mw, take up 20 acres and be more efficient.

whatever.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Mar 11, 2014 - 10:25pm PT

The Chief...Excellent point on DWP having the power to shut things down...On the flip side they've raped and ransacked the Owens Valley and continue trying to do so... Shutting out the public on DWP land wouldn't be in their best interest...My 2 cents...

sDawg

climber

Mar 11, 2014 - 10:36pm PT

Chief is being unnecessarily generous in his assessment of your hypocrisy. LADWP doesn't just allow you access to the gorge through their land, and it's not just that they could shut down cragging there. They BUILT THE ROADS and thus created the crags. If there were no LADWP, there would be no cragging and few if any bolts in the ORG. Many of you would have never even been to the east side without LADWP.

Anyone who is unwilling to have a coal-fired power plant literally in their backyard, which is all of you, needs to stfu unless you're proposing a viable alternative that doesn't offend someone else as much as this one offends you. Personally, I think the east side is a great place for renewable installations. Rooftops and urban installations are an important piece, but the economics and the physics of the grid don't allow for them to be the only piece. Europe, in fact, is backing off from this approach after decades of feed-in tarriffs have not led to economies of learning great enough to make home-based installations economically viable.

climber

Mar 11, 2014 - 10:42pm PT

Chief,
I am well aware of the double edge sword that DWP is for those who live on the Eastside.
Personally, I really don't care if access to the Owens climbing areas is stopped. There are plenty of other ways I can get my jollies.
I do care, however, about the wildlife that will get axed, along with the migratory paths of birds, the defoliation of vast tracts of land (more dust yippie!!) and the unnecessary destruction of so much beauty.
Solar farms are obsolete. There are better ways.
And, by the way, I do have solar panels on my rooftop and they take care of all my energy needs and I love them.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Mar 11, 2014 - 11:08pm PT

How about a solar awning over Vegas? They do t want you to be able to tell time if day there anyway. Might cut the ac bills, too!

Yeah, I dig the east side

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Mar 11, 2014 - 11:10pm PT

Last Friday, California set a new record for solar power production: 3,926 megawatts, according to the state grid operator.

On Saturday, it did it again. The new record, 4,093 megawatts, is almost double that of peak production in June 2012. It accounted, at peak, for a full 18 percent of all electricity production in the state — enough to power 3 million homes.
Electricity was being produced by 78 percent of the state’s installed solar capacity Saturday, well above the 20 percent of nameplate electric capacity solar plants typically produce on an annual basis, according to the Electric Power Research Institute.

…California also has about 5,890 MW of wind generation, second only to Texas which has 11,213 MW in commercial operation.

California’s wind, solar and geothermal resources make up about 15,000 MW of the state’s generation mix. California’s wind production record stands at 4,302 MW, set June 23, 2013.

“This shows that California is making remarkable progress in not only getting new resources approved and connected to the grid, but making meaningful contributions in keeping the lights on as well,” Steve Berberich, president of the California Independent System Operator (ISO), said in a statement. ”The milestones illustrate that we are well into a new era when clean, renewable energy is shouldering its share of our electricity needs.”http://www.salon.com/2014/03/11/california_sets_and_then_breaks_a_new_solar_record/

grover

climber

Northern Mexico

Mar 12, 2014 - 12:37am PT

Cover the aqua-ducts with panels.

karen roseme

Mountain climber

san diego

Mar 13, 2014 - 10:04am PT

Hey Norton,
That is great news...
I still think there has got to be a better spot for a solar ranch than a beautiful wild and scenic area.
I don't know all of DWP's holdings but it seems something closer to L.A. would be better.
I like Andy's idea but not sure how it would all work for the utility company,

NutAgain!

Trad climber

South Pasadena, CA

Mar 13, 2014 - 11:12am PT

Now the follow up question is where do you store all the battery farms for storing that solar energy at night? Battery Acid in my backyard?

This one is easy peasy! Don't store it chemically. Combine solar and hydro to make natural batteries!

Use the excess solar power to pump water uphill into man-made reservoirs during the day, and then let it flow downhill through turbines during the night. I think this happens on the western slope of the sierras around Courtwright/Edison/Florence or some of those.

Plus you create more recreational opportunities for anglers. In the Eastern Sierra, there are greater elevation differences in shorter distances, so it should be cheaper to build the facilities for transporting water up and down (but the pumping facility costs should be similar for a given altitude difference). The only thing we have to worry about is pesky riparian habitat. But if you divert a small portion of runoff to slowly create a high altitude reservoir, then recycle the water going back and forth between a high & low reservoir system, you only need to keep diverting enough water to counter the effects of ground seepage and evaporation. So in theory this can all happen in parallel to existing river valleys.