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mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 11, 2013 - 04:59am PT
You guys are the pits of the world

Oh oh oh oh, this is no place for me

Feckless.

Finger.

Fate.

Folly.

Peace, Far Out.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jul 11, 2013 - 07:59am PT
Oh Jeez, what can I say. I am sure I have never agreed with Bluering on anything (bar climbing). But on losing faith in our country, perhaps I can understand, but from a different point of view. Bluey is totally right wing to the core, I am a liberal, dichotomies come to mind, if that is the correct word.

Al Gore has shown that he is as a total hypocrite. Bill Clinton rubs elbows with white collar crooks. The triad of Dubya/Cheney/Rumsfeld are criminals.

Obama? I actually voted at the US embassy in Dublin for Hilary Clinton. But Obama, same old, same old ("Yes we can change" a total crock of bowel movements). Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Obama is another sell-out, I used to like him, but my respect is gone.

And the Repugs? They do not care for America or the common people. And the masturbating Tea Party'ers, frightful.

In Ireland, I used to like Labour leader Eamon Gilmore, but he is a total sell-out. Total.

Politics suck, just like dementia.

There must be a better way.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 11, 2013 - 08:03am PT
Only stupid Americans lose faith....I'm banking on the Motor city mad man and the Thrilla from Wasilla...RJ
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 11, 2013 - 08:04am PT
bluering said
Look up the amount of food-stamp recipients, welfare compared to active workers.

Do you pay attention? It will be unsustainable. Get it?

What do you think has caused this increase in SNAP recipients?
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jul 11, 2013 - 08:11am PT
Well then John, I am stupid.

I still believe in the US (need I iterate 1640, fought the British, second signatory on the Declaration, and Mark Twain, two grandfathers were respected judges), but reforms of a serious kind need to be put in place. I know you from Taco Stand posts and emails to one another, and I know you are an intelligent man, however there is a serious condition in our country.

I may live abroad, but I am American to the core. I'll probably die there some day or have my corpse dumped in the Pacific (no burial, no cremation, let the sea take me).
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 11, 2013 - 08:54am PT
I don't blame people for being stupid, but I do hold them responsible when they make the same mistake twice.

Too many people have lost sight of what we were, and are. Saddening to me.

I hope you're looking in the mirror, bluering.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jul 11, 2013 - 08:58am PT
I don't blame people for being stupid, but I do hold them responsible when they make the same mistake twice.

Well then Bluey and Rottingjohnny, I must be the stupidest. I have never made the same mistake twice, more like fourfold or more. I am stupid, plain and simple. Foresight? It would be nice to have.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 11, 2013 - 09:12am PT
(yer part of the problem....)

Yes, those pesky poor people. How DARE they need help during the worst recession of our lifetime?

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 11, 2013 - 09:24am PT
I have lost faith in America (OT)....

Too many people have lost sight of what we were, and are. Saddening to me.

Quit watching the evening news. Stop listening to:

1. Talk radio, of any kind. If you hear people talking change the channel or better ditch the radio and listen to an iPod

2. DO NOT LISTEN TO CLASSIC ROCK. Ever. That sh#t is depressing, like funeral home music. I mean seriously depressing. Try not to listen to anything that claims to be rock and roll and is older than say, 10 years.

Those two things alone, do nothing else, and your faith will resume and you'll see that our lovely home of California is a very nice place to be.

Me? I didn't watch the news last night. I spent that time talking to my climbing partner planning this evening's escape to the mountains. Even if the news is blathering on the telly I don't really watch it or pay close attention. Its good to know the weather, occasionally. But even watching your local weather troll is depressing if you do it too much.

You probably think my head is in the sand.... but you know it is not. One can pay attention without paying attention. One can take note of a traffic accident without gawking at it, too. Unless traffic accidents are your business, I counsel that NOT gawking at them is the best possible thing you can do. Gawk at too many accident scenes and that sh#t will mess your head up. I mean consider your average highway patrolperson? Nuff said!!!

Do you understand my counsel? THINK about it before responding. ;-)

Good luck with your lost faith!

DMT
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Jul 11, 2013 - 10:05am PT

No damn cat, no damn cradle.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jul 11, 2013 - 10:13am PT
Milktoast, you are crazy blathering on like that. ;-)

You come across as an anti-American Arab terrorist, or at least a Tuolumne terrorist, shut up and go climbing. And if I was there, could I tie in with you?

I have lost faith in California and Tuolumne County, and even Sonora is overcrowded, and I'd bet Twain Harte, Columbia and Cedar Ridge too. So disheartening.

And Ireland is even worse.

So DMT, let's tie in and jump off Atlantis in to the reservoir together. What a way to go. What's the odds of who hits the water first?
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Jul 11, 2013 - 10:25am PT
Hope is a good thing. Andy Dufresne

Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Jul 11, 2013 - 10:31am PT
just like the rest of us bluering,
you are an ambitious bloke
limping thru realities with a stride
comprised of your genetic input
and the echoes of your upbringing.

as we look around at each other
and misunderstand individual
interpretations
of proper morals and conduct,

our faith flees:
humanity is hopeless,
america is doomed,
and love is a waste of heat.

so we reach for the bottle,
and lament our position within solar dust,

and that liquid runs down the gullet,
enters the bloodstream, which then
delivers poetic angst to the brain,
and the heart, it don't argue with that,
because that organ is the peace-maker within.

keep sharing, man.
i shake my head at your reasoning,
but i admire your willingness
to lay it out on the table.



Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 11, 2013 - 10:34am PT
We used to be bold, innovative, and willing!

Steve, you mean bold as in spreading your bigoted bullshit under two fake names instead of using your real name, and then whining when someone calls you on it?

You mean innovative as in strictly adhering to 3 passages of the Bible because you think gays are icky, but not supporting legislation banning the eating of shellfish despite far more passages against that? (It isn't clear if you support legislation that allows slavery, stoning, or acquiring wives through rape, so I used the shellfish example.)

You mean willing as in willing to apply the equal rights set forth in the constitution to ALL people, even if you disagree with their views/lifestyles?

Fuking idiot.


Try not to listen to anything that claims to be rock and roll and is older than say, 10 years.

pfft, Beatles, Stones, Hendrix... DMT just lost mad points spewing that crap. :)
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jul 11, 2013 - 10:45am PT
Love it or leave it. So when are you leaving Stevie?

I'll contribute to the plane ticket, provided it is one-way. Saudi Arabia is very conservative, sounds like a perfect fit for you.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 11, 2013 - 10:55am PT
i shake my head at your reasoning,
but i admire your willingness
to lay it out on the table.


designating Norwegian as my supertopo politard proxy.

edit: Perhaps 'admire' is too strong a word. you're fired Norwegian.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 11, 2013 - 10:58am PT
My racists, bigoted, senile grandpa was willing to "lay it out on the table." Trust me, people who do that aren't always worthy of admiration.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 11, 2013 - 11:07am PT
Bluey, you sir are a "Gallant Gallstone".
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 11, 2013 - 11:15am PT
pfft, Beatles, Stones, Hendrix... DMT just lost mad points spewing that crap. :)

I can name that song in 3-notes.

Its not the music. Its the listening to it, over and over ad infinitum. It produces troughs in the mind, ruts if you will, the getting out of which may prove quite difficult.

"They're playing our song..."

GET A NEW ONE!!!

DMT
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Jul 11, 2013 - 11:20am PT
i can completely empathize
with his ignorance.

i, too extend ill opinion to those whom
differ from me in poise and demeanor.

my counterparts are his political party
(im grossly assuming that bluering subscribes to republican ideals)

and once in a while i scrap, here and elsewhere
with the motherf*#kers.

my words fly,
my fists occassionally swing,
especially when im in my cup.

f*#k it all.
christ and philo and norwegian and
other detractors of blue's song,

we all fall short of ideal

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