I have lost faith in America (OT)

Search
Go

Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
Messages 1 - 20 of total 285 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 11, 2013 - 02:33am PT
I don't blame people for being stupid, but I do hold them responsible when they make the same mistake twice.

Too many people have lost sight of what we were, and are. Saddening to me.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 11, 2013 - 02:36am PT
do us the favor then, kill yourself instead of promoting the worest actor taking the great cut that the corruption you promote affords!






GOP Rep. Who Receives Millions in Federal Farm Aid, Calls for Billions in Federal Food Stamp Cuts

Rep. Stephen Fincher, latest in long line of wealthy right wing hypocrites, cites Bible as reason for slashing aid to needy...

By Ernest A. Canning on 7/8/2013,
Before their recess for the July 4th holiday, the U.S. House rejected what has, for decades, been largely a no-brainer for the United States Congress: the federal farm subsidies bill.

This year, however, with a Congress as dysfunctional as it has ever been, even that legislative "gimme" has been stymied, for now, by the far Right Republican caucus hoping to slash even more of the food stamp benefits included the bill, and by progressive Democrats furious about cuts to the federal food assistance program that the GOP-controlled House already managed to write into it.

Before the break, the bill was defeated by a 195 to 234 vote margin in what served as a humiliating embarrassment for House Speaker John Boehner. But the $939 billion bill --- which includes both subsidies to farmers (mostly to "Big Ag") and federal food stamp program appropriations --- will soon be coming back, whether Boehner likes it or not.

And, before its return, the hypocrisy embedded in the "Tea Party" caucus' opposition to the bill needs to be highlighted. That hypocrisy is almost certainly best exemplified by one Rep. Stephen Fincher (R-TN).

Even the ordinarily staid New York Times was taken aback by the level of Fincher's hypocrisy that emerged when he quoted the Bible as justification for slashing food stamp benefits for the poor. He claims that assistance, somehow, amount to theft.

But the facts of Fincher's argument are even more embarrassing than that. The Times notes that Fincher himself has "collected nearly $3.5 million in subsidies from 1999 to 2012" in federal support for his 3,000 acre family farm.

"In 2012 alone, the data shows, Mr. Fincher received about $70,000 in direct payments, money that is given to farmers and farmland owners, even if they do not grow crops."

Even more remarkably, his argument in favor of cutting $20 billion in food stamps came during a debate over the bill in a U.S. House sub-committee which voted to increase subsidies to farmers by $9 billion in the wake of last year's record drought. That, of course, was before the reality of his own reliance on federal funding for his family farm was brought to light by the media...


During debate on the farm bill in the House Agriculture Committee last week, Mr. Fincher was one of the biggest proponents of $20 billion in cuts to food stamps in the legislation. At times he quoted passages from the Bible in defending the cuts.

"We have to remember there is not a big printing press in Washington that continually prints money over and over," Mr. Fincher said during the debate. "This is other people’s money that Washington is appropriating and spending."

When later called out by the media for accepting millions in federal subsidies, even while using the bible to call for slashing aid to children, the disabled and the elderly, among others, Fincher, a "Tea Party" favorite, used some sleight of hand to (sort of) deny the charges.

Tennessee's Commercial Appeal quoted his rebuttal this way:

"That amount is false. It's a lie," he said Friday, explaining that he typically receives between $170,000 and $200,000 a year in subsidies. "A lot of that (subsidy) money is loans that are repaid back through the cotton program and that money doesn't actually end up in my pocket."
Actually, The New York Times and other national media understated the size of Fincher's government largesse. In addition to the $3.5 million in federal farm subsidies he personally received, Fincher applied for and received a $13,650 grant from the TN Department of Agriculture --- a grant which was subsequently the subject of a "state inquiry because the [farm equipment] purchased with it was reported sold by Fincher within three years of purchase, potentially a violation of the grant's requirements." Fincher's father also "received a $13,650 grant under the same program in...2009."

According to Wikipedia (citing Politics Daily, the Memphis Commercial Appeal and Washinton Post), Fincher is a seventh generation family farmer and the managing partner of Fincher Farms. "The company has received $8.9 million in farm subsidies over the past decade."

At present, the bulk of farm subsidies, the product of New Deal era legislation originally designed to stabilize agricultural prices and to prevent the bankruptcy of small family farmers during times of economic distress, go to the huge agricultural conglomerations. Where the Fincher family is basking in government-supplied largesse, 80% of farmers receive annual subsidies of less than $5,000.

In fact, there are cases where significant subsidies have been received by those who are not even in the business of farming. Consider the case of investment broker Charles Scwab, who, as reported by Jim Hightower in the aptly named Thieves in High Places, is the proud owner of Casa de Patos, "1,500 acres of picturesque wetlands in Northern California." Schwab grows rice on the land, not for harvesting purposes but because the rice attracts ducks. Schwab is one of those rich folks who likes to invite friends and clients to go duck hunting.

Schwab, Hightower reports, has no intent to harvest the rice, but that doesn't prevent this man with an estimated $4.7 billion net worth from collecting $500,000/year in federal farm subsidies because he does not market the rice.

Hightower's Thieves in High Places, in touching upon the poverty wages of Wal-Mart workers, exposed the fallacy behind Fincher's reliance upon a Biblical passage to argue against federal food stamp benefits. The passage reads: "The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat."

The truth, however, is that many Americans, including many hard-working Wal-Mart employees, are forced to seek food stamps to feed their children because a business that has allowed the five member Walton family to accumulate more than $100 billion in personal wealth doesn't pay its workers a livable wage.

According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, the failed House bill that Fincher supported would have eliminated free school lunches for 210,000 children who had the misfortune of having been born into low income families.

Fincher's hypocrisy finds its antecedent in the laissez-faire mythology that emerged during the Gilded Age --- that period covering the later half of the 19th Century and early 20th Century marked by a gaping wealth disparity, domination of governmental institutions by America’s first class of billionaires, and the self-serving delusion maintained by many whose wealth was acquired through inheritance and governmental largesse that they were actually "self-made" men.

The dominance of that first class of billionaires was insured by huge grants of public funds and property. This was especially true for the railroads, which received millions of acres of public lands from Congress. Instead of companies investing their own funds, railroads were given vast tracks of public lands, the private sale of which could be used to finance construction.

In the 21st Century, men of privilege, like Fincher and Schwab, readily gobble up tax breaks, direct payments, and other massive government subsidies for themselves, and then respond to the plight of those left behind by hypocritically claiming that programs to prevent children from starving amount to theft.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=10044
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 11, 2013 - 02:37am PT
Losing your faith is easy and good, losing your belief is something else all together...

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 11, 2013 - 02:44am PT
Same as it ever was.

Same as it ever will be.

Don't elect him. Elect me.

Politards, I have no faith in your "concern," either.

You begin by flapping your tongues about a big problem that is out of our hands.

Then y'all begin sniping.

Who really cares to hear and argue over such crap?

All you got is a vote.

Use yours wisely, leave mine the hell alone, thank you.



bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2013 - 02:48am PT
Jimmy, maybe I should re-state. I'm saddened at the current state of America. We used to be bold, innovative, and willing!

Now we seem to just want someone to cuddle with and feed us. It disturbs me. And others.

This sh#t will not stand. I have faith in Americans, not because of God necessarily, but because Americans always finish the formula. We figure out how to do shit!

Maybe God does help us out sometimes, we thank Him for that. It's time to rise up and make North America grand again~~~

(then Jim can be happy too!)
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 11, 2013 - 02:52am PT
This number was written for you Blue !

rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 11, 2013 - 02:53am PT
got anything to base these fool beliefs on beyond the comic books you clutching have turned into rags blue?
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:05am PT
people like YOU are standing in the way of PROGRESS Bluey!!!

the U.S. has always been progressive...but some people want to hold us back...

If we all pull together in one direction as a country we can and will succeed...divided we fall--did you forget that---who is dividing us on issues that are PERSONAL decisions...

to move forward leave PERSONAL decisions out of politics...abortion, gay marriage, religeon...etc.

focus on the things that create jobs and a healthy environment for the next gerneration...

stop hating people of a different skin color...religeon...sexual preference...gender...nationality and we will win on the global stage BECAUSE of our diversity and FREEDOM!!!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2013 - 03:08am PT
got anything to base these fool beliefs on beyond the comic books you clutching have turned into rags blue?


Look up the amount of food-stamp recipients, welfare compared to active workers.

Do you pay attention? It will be unsustainable. Get it?
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:13am PT
unsustainable how?

money grows on trees here. for every 5 active job seekers there is one available.

meanwhile, millions of workers are going hungry and children are watching their parents suffer malnutrition.

aint stopping wall street from record profits

aint stopping weapons manufactures from buying yatchs and golf courses



meanwhile your ilk are promoting further cuts to basic services for the poorest of the poor. children and elderly and the disabled

your just pissed because america doesnt allow children to talk jobs in factories nor sell the aged and infirmed to be made into glue

THATS the AMERICA your crying about losing


you tretcherous snake in the grass!


oh ya, we get it
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:17am PT
rSin,

You need to get a job. Your complaints are equally answered with produce, or get the f*#k out of the way.

Have a nice day, Rokjox !
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:20am PT
gotta agree with rSin about the record profits of the american companies...I guess it is ok to shaft the country that provided the infrastructure to build the business that creates the wealth...F the workers and environment basically the for profit business model...IMO


won't see a repuglicon say a word about what the companies took/STOLE from us in the financial crisis though...crickets...PRIVATIZE THE PROFITS...SOCIALIZE THE LOSSES
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2013 - 03:20am PT
stop hating people of a different skin color...religeon...sexual preference...gender...nationality and we will win on the global stage BECAUSE of our diversity and FREEDOM!!!


Look, bro, I hate people who wish to destroy our liberty and Constitution. I don't care who they are. Commies, or Islamists, the're all dead before I let my values go, and my values rest in the Constitution of this great country.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:23am PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEYwVb-6TeE

Curt
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:25am PT
BlueRingMeDearThing,

I received food stamps before I quit working and got to retire at last.

I seriously needed them and avoided applying for them for a long time from ignorance and pride.

"Oh, you should check out the program, you'll be glad you did." This is what friends and others told me. I took their advice and started getting healthier meals and living better.

So there.

And putting one's faith in one's country means depending on your neighbors and family, but not Uncle, necessarily. Faith means trust and trust is earned. I believe in a higher power and ask for guidance.

This should not make anyone an object of derision, rSin, but it can be taken too far, like these azzhat* politicians claiming divine guidance.


** * ** Thanks, Hossjulia, for introducing me to this fine, fine word, azzhat. With such words we can fight off the "turds."

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2013 - 03:29am PT
BlueRingMeDearThing,

I received food stamps before I quit working and got to retire at last.

I seriously needed them and avoided applying for them for a long time from ignorance and pride.

"Oh, you should check out the program, you'll be glad you did." This is what friends and others told me. I took their advice and started getting healthier meals and living better.

So there.


Oh, well, you put me in my place!

(yer part of the problem....)
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:35am PT
Social Security and Unemployment are INSURANCE programs people shouldn't be treating them as a means to retire and have a nice vacation...it is for those who can't provide for themselves...if you are 65 have a job and enjoy it KEEP WORKING!!!

as far as other entitlements go I feel the STRONG PROVIDE FOR THE WEAK...

I like being STRONG enough to not ask for help even though most would in my position...

asking for help doesn't feel right to me BECAUSE I am strong and that is it's own reward...

all of us climbers have lives that most would envy if given the chance to experience it (most of the population isn't fit enough to do what we consider EASY)...

ABUSING our social programs should carry a HEAVY penalty (stealing from us should be hard labor while in prison...growing/harvesting food, building roads, etc. to PAY US BACK...if you take advantage of the system the we should make YOU PAY SUCH A HIGH PRICE that NO ONE WOULD DREAM OF DOING IT!!!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:37am PT
The sniping begins just to see who wins.

Take the last word, you stinking Bird; the name is Bird, Tony Bird, right? In the last word he took delight.

So there back at ya.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:37am PT
Wow, awesome idea for a thread on a climbing forum. No other conversations like this going on on any other threads so it's a good thing we have this one now.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:44am PT
scratch that...
photo not found
Missing photo ID#310581

Messages 1 - 20 of total 285 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
 
Our Guidebooks
Check 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks


Try a free sample topo!

 
SuperTopo on the Web

Review Categories
Recent Trip Report and Articles
Recent Route Beta
Recent Gear Reviews