gettin rich. getting strong. getting sober.


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Apr 6, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
Norwegian, sounds like the adventure of a lifetime. See you out there on the rocks bro.


Somewhere out there
Apr 6, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
Weej paraphrased:

This is just a pitch in my life….

I don't know when it will finish…..

 You can expect some of the most memorable, sustained, exciting climbing ahead. Focus on that and as always have fun with all pitches.

Good to hear everything seems as good as it is for the weej.
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Apr 6, 2013 - 06:28pm PT

I wish you the best. Alcoholism is what led to Jennie's medical condition. I won't attempt a poem or verse, but my thoughts are with you. As one of her GPs said: "Alcohol, it's sneaky..."

I still drink, but definitely in moderation. Cirrhosis and then liver cancer took my closest brother, one of the finest winemakers in the world, fact (by peer recognition), but he stopped too late.

I will always remember him, leading climbs in Yosemite, teaching me. Shasta, Mt Olympus...

Norwegian, suck up the gut (as I should), and stay strong.
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Apr 6, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
I know for my wife and her alcoholic father, his is a name on her phone she no longer answers, too tired of feeling let down by a man who chose the taste of his own failure over the happiness of his daughters. He cut every string of love with his own hand and is too caught up in his own drama (or alcoholic encephalopathy) to see it.

Lots can drink "normally" or feign it better than others. Many can't. Honesty about it doesn't seem to be the norm though.

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Apr 6, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
You're on to something very good Weeg! And if your sex education via plate tectonics poetics are fractal of your new, sober creations you've sprung a gusher of a wellspring that you owe yourself permission to explore!

Wish I had your words....

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 6, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
You're a talented guy, stay the path, keep yourself sober, everything will fall into place.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Apr 6, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
Sad how things of pleasure often cause erosion.

One day the pleasure is only a memory but bottle is needed to keep an even keel.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Apr 6, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
Survival's words....the good news and bad news about feelings are so right on.

And your words, "Waking up, I asked myself, why do I have to numb what I feel?" I hear you about your (fear of) static horizon's and eventually ripping giant holes in the mended mind." I really hear you.

But imho, we all project days, weeks, months and years in advance. We may only have today. Today is the only day you need to take care of. Been working on that since Dan died. My mantra has been, " A day at a time, one step at a time, with Peace, Patience and Perseverance." I'ts difficult to remember and challenging to carry out. But it works, this one day at a time stuff.

Five years ago I started over, Norweigan. I had to sort thru every aspect of my life....mentally, physically, psychologically, emotionally and spiritually... I had to find out who I really was, lynne by herself. Turned out I was not who I thought I was.

It's been a more than challenging, painful, fun, wonderful discovery. Had to get rid of a lot of stuff in my life I never wanted and embrace the things I'd always wanted but never allowed myself to enjoy.

Redefined relationships in a sometimes painful, but turned out for the good, positive way. Am a stronger person now, filled with much more joy, peace and love. I can wake up and embrace the day. Oh, I have not reached the goal line. So much more to flood my spirit with to wash it and make it like one of those crystal, clear untouched springs no one has ever discovered. But, like you, heading in the right direction.

The demons that say you'll lose creativity or become static lie. You have no idea of the beauty that lies in a clear soul and spirit.

I haven't expressed this very well, hope some of it makes sense. Above all, like the rest of us here I will be holding you in positive love and thoughts and prayers. lynnie


Social climber
Apr 6, 2013 - 11:41pm PT
gettin rich. getting strong. getting sober.

The happiness quotient is missing.

Just sayin'.

Peace, Brother.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Apr 6, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
You are so right, Mr. E. I was trying to say that but never quite got it spoken. One must be happy. Rich is highly over rated. Just be happy, love the ones you love and that love you, and be able to pay the ordinary life bills.

Even strong is not necessary. I've known people that aren't strong physically but embrace life and people and they are in turn embraced by them. lynnie
Captain...or Skully

Apr 6, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
Strong can mean many things. You know this Lynne. You are strong.
Sometimes list folks leave things out. Perhaps they are implied?
Let me know if you lean, Chuck. I can help hold.

Social climber
Apr 7, 2013 - 12:37am PT
hey there say, norwegian...

sorry i can't stay long tonight and read more, as, i am babysitting and he gets up early, this little boy, :O


keep this new trail... remember, NEW views, NEW inspiration and even NEW things to love, APPREAR on new trails...

some of the old trails, as inspriattional as they may have been, MAY have
had some pretty bad ruts that we slipped in far too much--the kinds of ruts
that added wrong pain to our trail...

now--with the new trail, new wisdom as to the ruts in the old trail, well:

this trail can 'fun ruts' instead--like neat times with your kids, and even your wife, being as you may have thought any neat funs had fizzled out, on that old trail (beloved though it was, IT had spots where you slid around in ruts that were only fun for you)...

many a man HAS seen the new adventure of new FOREIGN trails, trials thought they may be, as to 'getting the feel' for it all...

you can do it, IF you want to see the 'unexpected' and the new crisp views
of a freshness you have yet to enjoy!

keep it, and pray if you need to, god is willing to help forge that trail
with you...


wow, norwegian, you are quite a dad...

i liked your mountain-talk, for your girls, a simple polite way...
kids are out there pushing bad at the door of these little girls
hearts, minds, and emotion, with LOT of ruination-talk,
you are strongly needed by these daughters...

you are being there... job well done...
just a bit of WHY your NEW trail, is well timed, for this time in your life...

you are here for GOOD reasons, norwegian...
but, as i said, you GOT to forge new trails, in the clear fresh direction
of non-poluted life...

(we have all seen what pollution has done to the earth ,no matter how much
mankind seems to see this as progress... it is the same with our body:
pollution in our ol' brain cells, as we try to function, well, look what it did, and does = non progress, as to flourishness in what counts for
being alive)

Trad climber
Apr 7, 2013 - 12:42am PT
Any old fool can fall off the wagon.

It takes a real man to stay sober.

Stick with it man. Proud of you. May your eyes be open, your vision sharp and your heart clean on this new path.

Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Apr 7, 2013 - 12:57am PT
Right on Skully, thank you for reminding me about words different meanings. Smiles, lynnie
Captain...or Skully

Apr 7, 2013 - 01:01am PT
Right back atcha. Smiles are good, if they are true. All the way through.
You're true. Be all the way through.

Lynne edit: I can dig it.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Apr 7, 2013 - 01:18am PT
Skully, I never use the words smiles, peace, joy and love lightly. Mean every letter of them. Learned their meanings by living out my life. Cheers!

Oh yeah, I learned cheers from Bachar. He told me he meant it when he said it to people he posted here...he meant it even when he wasn't feeling it. Miss JB and DBL. Peace

Mountain climber
there and back again
Apr 7, 2013 - 03:28am PT
Atta Boy Weeg. It ain't easy but its so worth it. Alcohol is an incredible solvent. It can make anything dissolve. One is too many a thousand not enough. Alcohol is cunning and powerful. There is nothing that alcohol can't make worse.

Its really up to YOU, to decide whether your an alcoholic. You've probably got enough evidence if you are one. But if YOU want to quit, you have to admit to your inner self. Its not a joke or temporary thing. Its the real deal. And there is a ton of support.

I admire you for putting it out there. Thank you. Go for it. Commit to it like you do your awesome poetry, your family and that next move when your climbing. As for the wealth, strength and happiness; I'd take reality over them, anytime. It don't get no more real than sober. You'll see. If you haven't already. I wish you luck but it takes more than that to stay the course. Keep checking in Brother and hang in there. We'll be with you.

Welcome home!
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Apr 7, 2013 - 06:37am PT
or alcoholic encephalopathy

Jebus, Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome (also called wet brain, Korsakoff's psychosis, alcoholic encephalopathy, Wernicke's disease). That's my Jennie. But she is stable, or stabilized, and the med pros are happy with her 'progress'.

I only drink on the odd occasion, and never in front of her. I lock any wine in a filing cabinet in the main (locked) shed.

Fortunately, Jennie did not suffer wet brain, more like foggy brain. Vitamin B1 (thiamine) is extremely important to our nervous systems and neurons/brain cells, and Co-Enzyme Q-10 has shown in several studies to help with foggy brain. In fact, the B complex vitamins are extremely important, I have done so much research on it I think that B*sh*t is coming out of my ears.


When I first started dating Jen, my then editor, told me that his Aunt's family was ruined by an alcoholic father (his uncle by marriage). I didn't listen.

A colleague at the time, a very intelligent man but a hard alcoholic, told me that there is no such thing as a 'recovered' alcoholic, but 'recovering'.

Weeg, stay strong for your family and for yourself.

I live and I am in love with an alcoholic. It is a battle.

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 7, 2013 - 07:53am PT
The opening poem makes the sobriety gig seem temporary and resented. YOU have to want it. You have to finally get it through your thick head that you want your family more than you want the booze. Once you come to the realization that YOU really do want to be sober it is not so so hard...
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Apr 7, 2013 - 08:11am PT

it is not so so hard...

Tradmanclimbs, I sort of disagree. Alcohol is a strong neurotoxin. It is a tough drug to give up on. But of course, if one wants to really give up, one will, but it is a battle. I know you are not being flippant, but it really is not a matter of saying "No More", perhaps for some people.

But we are talking about a drug that the World Health Organization (WHO), in a report in 2011, says is the worst. Of 30 substances abused, the WHO report, which had two categories - the first the harm to the individual, the second category, the harm to society.

Guess what was number one in both categories.

For a recovering alcoholic, strength, belief and support are key, but yes, it is down to the individual. As one of Jennie's doctors say (to iterate): "Alcohol is sneaky, before you know it, it grabs you."

For many people, moderation is the key, but for the hardcore, total abstinence. I know there is the "Moderation Management" theory/program, but to reiterate: "Alcohol is sneaky, before you know it, it grabs you."

Norwegian, stay strong for your wife and daughters. And for yourself.

(BTW, nicotine is more addictive than heroin).
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