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Trad climber
Feb 11, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
Not quite following you on this tangent ole Roy....

You are suggesting that a guy, a teacher, who posts frequently on, details the development of a climbing gym venture he worked on, and now posts this thread is a CIA operative who is data-mining through these climbing websites?

What?... His cover was blown and so he's getting kicked out of Indonesia, but they're politely giving him 2 weeks notice to vacate, and the good old USofA is too strapped for money to extract him, so they suggested he come up with a scheme designed to pull on the heartstrings of Supertopo and fund his getaway? Because (through data mining) it is clear that this is a dog loving forum?


Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Feb 11, 2013 - 10:58pm PT
just add his to the 99.99% of charitable causes to which you won't contribute.

I recognize the poster as a long time ST contributor. Seems like a good person.
But Jan summarized my own reaction: "this is what credit cards are for". You have a job waiting for you in the States, according to your post...

Trad climber
Feb 11, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
This has gone so far off the OP request it is pathetic. The guy has been posting for years. So he comes to the taco hat in hand asking for some help. How many times has that happened? And then he gets crucified. I've seen a number of posts here about grieving for the loss of a pet and the condolences subsequentley conveyed.

I have no clue about the accumulation in the pay pal account but it sounds bogus to me that it could get that high.

OP, can you clarify the actual cost rather than just ask for cash?

Good lord, let's hear him out rather than pilliory him.

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
Didnít anticipate all this discussion. $17,000+ worried me a bit, definitely too much.

For those interested and asking:
$10.00 on chip-in.
$101.85 with people who sent money directly to my PayPal.

First and foremost, I agree, the dogs are my responsibility and no one elseís.

Several of you have pointed out that this is my problem and I should deal with it. I agree, I have no one to blame. I came to Indonesia as an International School teacher. Yes, we spend all our spare time spying for the CIA. Those of you who are teacher will appreciate the spare time comment.

While here, I decided to leave a steady job to start a climbing gym in a foreign country. A country known for constantly changing itsí laws, especially work permits and those related to small/medium sized businesses.

The business was started; my share was put in my wifeís name. Foreigners canít own a business without becoming a foreign cooperation. About $20,000 cost. My wife, partner, and I decided the extra 20,000 wasnít worth it because Ernita is Indonesian. A conscious decision that I willingly made. Again, I blame no-one.

Because of the work visa situation here, my wife and I will move to America so I can go back to teaching in the States. Nevada, Arizona, California, maybe Utah. Unlike a climbing gym, teaching is guaranteed to make me rich.

Several of you believe this is a scam, nothing I can do about that. Several of you have donated; thank you. Some of you have defended me; I appreciate it. Most of you have read this, didnít attack, defend, or donate.

Someone pointed out that I have no control over what laws the Indonesian Government decides to change or alter so this isnít so different from in unexpected health issues. I think health issues are much worse and that 99% of the people who experience them are much less responsible for causing them than I am for me being in Indonesia. With the exception of someone willingly putting themselves in a dangerous situation and getting hurt, I think unexpected health issues are not the personís fault, but this is a position I put myself in.

I very much agree that this is a first world problem. As someone who has seen and volunteered in third world countries, I completely agree they are much better causes out there than bringing my dogs to America. Many great causes in America are much higher on the list too.

I can keep you guys posted on how much I raise if youíre interested.


Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
Last two post must have been posted while I was writing.

Initial estimate from the airline is 1500.00 USD. That is what I am trying to raise.

Second post, no job yet. I plan on teaching and with my experience, I should be able to find a job in Either Arizona, Nevada, Utah maybe California.


Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Feb 11, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
Is it that easy to find a teaching job in the US right now?

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 11, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
Unlike a climbing gym, teaching is guaranteed to make me rich.

A teacher with a sense of humor is a good thing.

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
Not sure how easy a teaching job will be to find, but I'm jumping through the hoops now. The districts I'm emailing with seem very positive. My wife and I both realize we could end up working at Trader Joes or asking "do you want fries with that?"

A teacher without a sense of humor is what scares me.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Feb 11, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
I was only half kidding about E -Dick. There is a serious problem with confidence scheming.

The problem in all likelyhood is not this poster - or is it? The fact is no one knows at it requires trust more than verification to roll with it. Sorry to drift the thread here but the concern that Coz and others voice is valid. It was the same with the Peru people - likely legitimately in need of help but how is one to differentiate such cases from the Nigerian Prince frauds?

It is a cynical response perhaps, but like it or not we live in cynical times where blind trust is a risky proposition. Some here may have a reasonable reason to believe the poster but a huge number of others including myself do not, even if I would prefer otherwise. This is a public forum, not a private one where everyone knows each other and develop trust based on long term intimacy.

I usually wonder in such cases why the solicitor of donations dosn't go to personal friends and family in a private manner.

I'm sorry if I am being a thorn in the side to a legitimate cry for help but the potential for abuse is just too obvious to ignore.... and yes I am too damn lazy to do the detective work myself. There has to be a better way to legitimately solicit funds.

I seem to recall that the Peru people raised 17k or so. I wonder how all that played out and to what end? Was that all just gossip?

Eman, you certainly sound legit and ok. Surely you can understand the legitimacy of some distrust? I have experienced fraud first hand and have a hard time recognizing a difference with you. This is merely an observation, not a judgement.

What do you think?


Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 12:01am PT

I agree with your post, and I know nothing I write here can sway people one way or the other. I too am cynical in many cases. Sometimes I choose to help, other times I don't.

Whether or not I've been scammed online I can't say. I do know that while living in Indonesia, I was able to track my Master Card and a Gas Card across the states from Wyoming to the Great Lakes. Definite Identity theft. One gas card saw things my way, the other is making me pay, and my Master Card knows that I live here and can't in two places at once. During the same time frame, I paid into social security in Arkansas.

Here in ST, I donated to one one cause, that was the get Taco Sans home. The Japanese Girl Climber who was paralyze in a car accident. I know she is currently back in Japan and after a couple years starting to recover.

Third world causes, I tend to donate time more than money.

Again, donate, don't donate. Hope some help, I understand those that don't.


Boulder, CO
Feb 12, 2013 - 01:36am PT
Your first post here was March of 2010. So you've been setting us up for this scam for three years.

not only that you've been posting fake climbing photos.

on top of all that you're clearly a CIA agent and the gym you speak of isn't even real.

And the topper is you have a fascination with crack machines.

All that work for ten bucks ;-)

that reminds me of a joke...

what did the doe say when she came out of the woods?

"that's the last time I do that for ten bucks".


I seem to recall that the Peru people raised 17k or so.

Oooooooh.... I get it now. locker is sniffing so much glue he couldn't remember the difference between a bunch of climbers that got their ass kicked in Peru and a guy with two dogs in a country a Pacific Ocean away. *that's* where he got the $17K numbah....
John M

Feb 12, 2013 - 01:44am PT
All that work for ten bucks ;-)

Climbers are suckers for a sob story..
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 01:47am PT
Good work nature. Too much mouse clicking for this cowboy.

Should you call the FBI seeing howz you cracked the case?
Mr Roy

Feb 12, 2013 - 03:02am PT
So you never really introduced us properly. Do those cute little buddies have names?

I was just sortta kidding about the CIA. I had a childhood friend who work for the CIA as an international teacher but he went places like Kuwait and Iraq. True story.

Anyways good luck, I'm broke.

Happi, good story !

Edit: Hey wait, I think he was in southeast asia, too.

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 12, 2013 - 04:32am PT
Unlike a climbing gym, teaching is guaranteed to make me rich.

Glad you still have your sense of humor.

And interesting that you mention Tacos Satoko. I donated to her too and then asked for my check back when the woman collecting couldn't give me an address or phone number for her family in Japan, their name, or the name of the hospital where she was taken. Later she was able to post on Facebook and I decided it was legit.

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 12, 2013 - 06:57am PT
I work 40hrs a week as a carpenter and work weekends as a photographer. i only manage to get one day of climbing in a week. I am barely makeing my bills these days. I desperatly need to get new glasses and get to the dentist. Also need distemper, feline lukemia and a rabies shot for the cat
Eiger Dreams
Eiger Dreams
Credit: tradmanclimbs
last time I went to the vet for shots it was $180.00 No clue how much the dentist will be but 2k should be in the ballpark? My prescription for eyeglasses has run out and I badly need new glasses. Eye exam is $70.00 and glasses 300 or so. Will you guys rip me a new one if I ask for donations?

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 12, 2013 - 07:05am PT
I also need some new tools for work that I have not been able to afford. frameing square (mine is damaged) hand plane, powe plane and a jig saw. i really do work my 50yr old ass off and barly able to pay the bills with zero left over for the medical issues and tools. I do not drink or do drugs and i eat very frugaly.

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 07:19am PT
Jan, Taco was legit.

I met her in Camp 4, she was climbing with her partner and we ended up sharing a site. My partner wanted to climbing Lost Arrow, Taco and her partner wanted to learn about aid climbing.

She was a fast learner, climbing less than a year at the time.

I have not heard from her, even with facebook, hard to keep up with people.

What I noticed about her was how excited she was about everything.
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Feb 12, 2013 - 07:58am PT
I wish I could help. But I do not know where this month's rent is going to come from.

I took my late dog from Wales, London, California, Ireland (where he is buried in the mountains at my former editor's family cottage).

I sympathize with you, sorry I can't help dude.

Best of luck and my good wishes go with you. That is all I can offer, good vibes.


When I was living in London, and after seven years my work papers were not renewed, I called the California State Veterinarian in Sacramento. He said to just make sure my dog, Ci (Welsh for dog, not very original is it), was vaccinated within three days of landing in California. The local vet in Harrow said that, since rabies is eradicated in Britain, that he doesn't carry the vaccine and would have to order it, at a cost.

So when I landed in SF, the next day I went to the Contra Costa County animal control and had Ci vaccinated.

Eman, again, best of luck.


Make sure that the kennels are up to the standards that the International Air Transport Association (IATA) suggest, no not suggest, are in order, or most airlines will not transport the pet.
Jebus H Bomz

Feb 12, 2013 - 08:21am PT
tradmanclimbs wrote:

Will you guys rip me a new one if I ask for donations?

I wouldn't, but others would. Times. They's tough.
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