Guangzhou
Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
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Not sure how easy a teaching job will be to find, but I'm jumping through the hoops now. The districts I'm emailing with seem very positive. My wife and I both realize we could end up working at Trader Joes or asking "do you want fries with that?"
A teacher without a sense of humor is what scares me.
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Bruce Kay
Gym climber
BC
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Feb 11, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
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I was only half kidding about E -Dick. There is a serious problem with confidence scheming.
The problem in all likelyhood is not this poster - or is it? The fact is no one knows at it requires trust more than verification to roll with it. Sorry to drift the thread here but the concern that Coz and others voice is valid. It was the same with the Peru people - likely legitimately in need of help but how is one to differentiate such cases from the Nigerian Prince frauds?
It is a cynical response perhaps, but like it or not we live in cynical times where blind trust is a risky proposition. Some here may have a reasonable reason to believe the poster but a huge number of others including myself do not, even if I would prefer otherwise. This is a public forum, not a private one where everyone knows each other and develop trust based on long term intimacy.
I usually wonder in such cases why the solicitor of donations dosn't go to personal friends and family in a private manner.
I'm sorry if I am being a thorn in the side to a legitimate cry for help but the potential for abuse is just too obvious to ignore.... and yes I am too damn lazy to do the detective work myself. There has to be a better way to legitimately solicit funds.
I seem to recall that the Peru people raised 17k or so. I wonder how all that played out and to what end? Was that all just gossip?
Eman, you certainly sound legit and ok. Surely you can understand the legitimacy of some distrust? I have experienced fraud first hand and have a hard time recognizing a difference with you. This is merely an observation, not a judgement.
What do you think?
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Guangzhou
Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
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Bruce,
I agree with your post, and I know nothing I write here can sway people one way or the other. I too am cynical in many cases. Sometimes I choose to help, other times I don't.
Whether or not I've been scammed online I can't say. I do know that while living in Indonesia, I was able to track my Master Card and a Gas Card across the states from Wyoming to the Great Lakes. Definite Identity theft. One gas card saw things my way, the other is making me pay, and my Master Card knows that I live here and can't in two places at once. During the same time frame, I paid into social security in Arkansas.
Here in ST, I donated to one one cause, that was the get Taco Sans home. The Japanese Girl Climber who was paralyze in a car accident. I know she is currently back in Japan and after a couple years starting to recover.
Third world causes, I tend to donate time more than money.
Again, donate, don't donate. Hope some help, I understand those that don't.
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John M
climber
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Feb 11, 2013 - 10:44pm PT
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All that work for ten bucks ;-)
Climbers are suckers for a sob story..
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Bruce Kay
Gym climber
BC
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Feb 11, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
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Good work nature. Too much mouse clicking for this cowboy.
Should you call the FBI seeing howz you cracked the case?
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Mr Roy
climber
Seattle
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Feb 12, 2013 - 12:02am PT
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So you never really introduced us properly. Do those cute little buddies have names?
I was just sortta kidding about the CIA. I had a childhood friend who work for the CIA as an international teacher but he went places like Kuwait and Iraq. True story.
Anyways good luck, I'm broke.
Happi, good story !
Edit: Hey wait, I think he was in southeast asia, too.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Feb 12, 2013 - 01:32am PT
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Unlike a climbing gym, teaching is guaranteed to make me rich.
Glad you still have your sense of humor.
And interesting that you mention Tacos Satoko. I donated to her too and then asked for my check back when the woman collecting couldn't give me an address or phone number for her family in Japan, their name, or the name of the hospital where she was taken. Later she was able to post on Facebook and I decided it was legit.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 12, 2013 - 03:57am PT
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I work 40hrs a week as a carpenter and work weekends as a photographer. i only manage to get one day of climbing in a week. I am barely makeing my bills these days. I desperatly need to get new glasses and get to the dentist. Also need distemper, feline lukemia and a rabies shot for the cat last time I went to the vet for shots it was $180.00 No clue how much the dentist will be but 2k should be in the ballpark? My prescription for eyeglasses has run out and I badly need new glasses. Eye exam is $70.00 and glasses 300 or so. Will you guys rip me a new one if I ask for donations?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 12, 2013 - 04:05am PT
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I also need some new tools for work that I have not been able to afford. frameing square (mine is damaged) hand plane, powe plane and a jig saw. i really do work my 50yr old ass off and barly able to pay the bills with zero left over for the medical issues and tools. I do not drink or do drugs and i eat very frugaly.
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Guangzhou
Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 04:19am PT
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Jan, Taco was legit.
I met her in Camp 4, she was climbing with her partner and we ended up sharing a site. My partner wanted to climbing Lost Arrow, Taco and her partner wanted to learn about aid climbing.
She was a fast learner, climbing less than a year at the time.
I have not heard from her, even with facebook, hard to keep up with people.
What I noticed about her was how excited she was about everything.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 12, 2013 - 04:58am PT
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I wish I could help. But I do not know where this month's rent is going to come from.
I took my late dog from Wales, London, California, Ireland (where he is buried in the mountains at my former editor's family cottage).
I sympathize with you, sorry I can't help dude.
Best of luck and my good wishes go with you. That is all I can offer, good vibes.
EDIT
When I was living in London, and after seven years my work papers were not renewed, I called the California State Veterinarian in Sacramento. He said to just make sure my dog, Ci (Welsh for dog, not very original is it), was vaccinated within three days of landing in California. The local vet in Harrow said that, since rabies is eradicated in Britain, that he doesn't carry the vaccine and would have to order it, at a cost.
So when I landed in SF, the next day I went to the Contra Costa County animal control and had Ci vaccinated.
Eman, again, best of luck.
EDIT
Make sure that the kennels are up to the standards that the International Air Transport Association (IATA) suggest, no not suggest, are in order, or most airlines will not transport the pet.
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Jebus H Bomz
climber
Peavine
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Feb 12, 2013 - 05:21am PT
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tradmanclimbs wrote:
Will you guys rip me a new one if I ask for donations?
I wouldn't, but others would. Times. They's tough.
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Fish Finder
Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
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Feb 12, 2013 - 05:26am PT
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Hey tradmanclimbs,
http://www.zennioptical.com/
should save you hundreds on eyeglasses although you will still need to pay the 70 to get the script.
See sometimes asking for help can be productive.
All you weak asses who thrive on being dicks (det), just dont donate, you are not saving the world by dogging this guy and calling bullsh#t.
He seems like a normal guy who put himself out on a limb,if you dont want to help , great but you dont need to start sawing the branch.
I think most of you that are bitching dont have the balls to ask for help.
edit: your ego does not need to rest on someone elses story.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 12, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
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After reading all of this thread...
Most of us are hurting financially, I would guess. I certainly am.
But it is sort of lame asking for donations to get some dogs to the US, especially if one claims to have a decent job lined up as a teacher.
And he has not been posting here for years. 2010, well, I suppose that is years.
I do not know where my rent is going to come from on the 17th.
I keep Jennie in this house because it is safe and secure for her medical condition.
Yes, we do get some help from the Irish government. But nothing to cover our rent and bills. But you don't see me going online to beg for money to get some dogs to the US.
I would never ever dream of begging on any forum, more less this one. I make my own way as best as I can.
I am sure this Emam dude is probably okay. But come on, there are people on this forum struggling to pay medical bills and this guy has the cheek to come ask us for money for his dogs.
Get a life. I need more money than your fecking dogs but I do not go a begging.
EDIT
Actually, I think it is disgraceful for this guy to beg to get his dogs to the USA.
Disgraceful. Has this guy no pride?
I love animals. Until the money ran out I was donating to eight charities every month... €220/month to Concern, Barnados, VSO, Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children, Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, the Lifeboats (RNLI), Dublin-Wicklow Mountain Rescue...
The cheek of this guy to ask for money. What about some long-term Supertopians who are facing medical bills?
As I look at it, feck you for even having the cheek to look for money, Guangzhou. Or whatever your name is. You have your priorities mixed up and thank the heavens you will never teach my children, not that I have any. You are a bad example.
A brass neck is what you have.
Where is my rent going to come from to keep my partner safe?
Oh, let's go online and beg. Set up a Paypal account and fleece people.
No, never. I make my own way. I do not need to beg like you are, you sad soul.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 12, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
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I am waiting for my CafePress and Zazzle t-shirt shops commissions to come and then donate to this cause(due by 15th). Even though I can only do a little bit - the very thought of these dogs being unable to come home along with their "people parents" is too sad to think about.
It seems to me this change in Guanzhaou's situation was unexpected. I know from some of his posts on rc that he was dedicated to that climbing gym and felt it was going to be a financially successful venture. He invested quite a bit and is he pissing about how his investment is being pulled out from under him? No.....
edit: Patrick...wow. What a pained soul you have become. I know you are suffering under the burden you have taken on. I know you have come to ST at times seeking emotional support. I know you have flat-out rejected suggestions from those who tell you you cannot do it alone.
But the nastiness of your last post clearly indicates - YOU. NEED. HELP.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 12, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
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Yeah, Happie, I need help, but not your kind.
I am speaking from my heart and soul. I love animals. Would I take a dog from Britain to California to Ireland if I did not care for such dog.
You hurt me Happie. I am just being honest. If I sound bitter, perhaps I see some guy who is begging for money when most of us are just trying to get by. I am surprised by your reaction, you always seem level-headed.
And I do not give a rat's ass what you think.
I am trying to get by and keep a good human being in health.
If I need help, you are NOT the one to provide it.
I was not trying to be nasty, just realistic. There are people on this forum who need more help than this guy is asking for. I would have thought, by your previous posts, that you would have realized this.
Shall I post some photos of Jennie and I so as to generate some sympathy? No, I know better.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 12, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
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I can't spare a dime these days, but good luck man. With the dogs and the job search.
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Cosmiccragsman
Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
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Feb 12, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
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DON'T leave your dogs in Asia!
They might end up on someones, DINNER TABLE!
That happened to our dog Midnight, when we left Japan in 1959.
A couple of weeks before we left Japan to go to 29 Palms,
my dad gave the dog to one of our neighbors because of all the hassles getting the dog to the US. A few days before we left, Dad asked the papasan
how the dog was doing. Papasan rubbed his stomach and said, YUMMY, or something to that effect.
Midnight was my dog, and I cried for days afterwards.
:(
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Feb 12, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
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Patrick, give it a rest.
Guangzhou, sorry I only had $10. Take care of the dogs and let us know how it works out.
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