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Fish Finder

Social climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 08:26am PT
Hey tradmanclimbs,

should save you hundreds on eyeglasses although you will still need to pay the 70 to get the script.

See sometimes asking for help can be productive.

All you weak asses who thrive on being dicks (det), just dont donate, you are not saving the world by dogging this guy and calling bullsh#t.

He seems like a normal guy who put himself out on a limb,if you dont want to help , great but you dont need to start sawing the branch.

I think most of you that are bitching dont have the balls to ask for help.

edit: your ego does not need to rest on someone elses story.
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Feb 12, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
After reading all of this thread...

Most of us are hurting financially, I would guess. I certainly am.

But it is sort of lame asking for donations to get some dogs to the US, especially if one claims to have a decent job lined up as a teacher.

And he has not been posting here for years. 2010, well, I suppose that is years.

I do not know where my rent is going to come from on the 17th.

I keep Jennie in this house because it is safe and secure for her medical condition.

Yes, we do get some help from the Irish government. But nothing to cover our rent and bills. But you don't see me going online to beg for money to get some dogs to the US.

I would never ever dream of begging on any forum, more less this one. I make my own way as best as I can.

I am sure this Emam dude is probably okay. But come on, there are people on this forum struggling to pay medical bills and this guy has the cheek to come ask us for money for his dogs.

Get a life. I need more money than your fecking dogs but I do not go a begging.


Actually, I think it is disgraceful for this guy to beg to get his dogs to the USA.

Disgraceful. Has this guy no pride?

I love animals. Until the money ran out I was donating to eight charities every month... 220/month to Concern, Barnados, VSO, Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children, Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, the Lifeboats (RNLI), Dublin-Wicklow Mountain Rescue...

The cheek of this guy to ask for money. What about some long-term Supertopians who are facing medical bills?

As I look at it, feck you for even having the cheek to look for money, Guangzhou. Or whatever your name is. You have your priorities mixed up and thank the heavens you will never teach my children, not that I have any. You are a bad example.

A brass neck is what you have.

Where is my rent going to come from to keep my partner safe?

Oh, let's go online and beg. Set up a Paypal account and fleece people.

No, never. I make my own way. I do not need to beg like you are, you sad soul.

Trad climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
I am waiting for my CafePress and Zazzle t-shirt shops commissions to come and then donate to this cause(due by 15th). Even though I can only do a little bit - the very thought of these dogs being unable to come home along with their "people parents" is too sad to think about.

It seems to me this change in Guanzhaou's situation was unexpected. I know from some of his posts on rc that he was dedicated to that climbing gym and felt it was going to be a financially successful venture. He invested quite a bit and is he pissing about how his investment is being pulled out from under him? No.....

edit: What a pained soul you have become. I know you are suffering under the burden you have taken on. I know you have come to ST at times seeking emotional support. I know you have flat-out rejected suggestions from those who tell you you cannot do it alone.

But the nastiness of your last post clearly indicates - YOU. NEED. HELP.
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:05pm PT
Yeah, Happie, I need help, but not your kind.

I am speaking from my heart and soul. I love animals. Would I take a dog from Britain to California to Ireland if I did not care for such dog.

You hurt me Happie. I am just being honest. If I sound bitter, perhaps I see some guy who is begging for money when most of us are just trying to get by. I am surprised by your reaction, you always seem level-headed.

And I do not give a rat's ass what you think.

I am trying to get by and keep a good human being in health.

If I need help, you are NOT the one to provide it.

I was not trying to be nasty, just realistic. There are people on this forum who need more help than this guy is asking for. I would have thought, by your previous posts, that you would have realized this.

Shall I post some photos of Jennie and I so as to generate some sympathy? No, I know better.

The Granite State.
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
I can't spare a dime these days, but good luck man. With the dogs and the job search.

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
DON'T leave your dogs in Asia!
They might end up on someones, DINNER TABLE!

That happened to our dog Midnight, when we left Japan in 1959.
A couple of weeks before we left Japan to go to 29 Palms,
my dad gave the dog to one of our neighbors because of all the hassles getting the dog to the US. A few days before we left, Dad asked the papasan
how the dog was doing. Papasan rubbed his stomach and said, YUMMY, or something to that effect.

Midnight was my dog, and I cried for days afterwards.

Boulder climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
Patrick, give it a rest.

Guangzhou, sorry I only had $10. Take care of the dogs and let us know how it works out.
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
Atcha, sorry you feel that way. I am just trying to prove a point. I guess I took the wrong tack. I am not whinging. But good heavens, begging to get dogs to the US when there are people on this forum who need to cover medical expenses.

At least I have some very good support here in Ireland to look after Jennie. But what about those in the States, fellow Supertopians, that are hurting worse than I am?

Call me what you want Atcha. I just hope the day comes where you do not need support. I mean that. I do not bare any sort of ill feelings to anybody, and if I have come across that I have, then it is my fault for not communicating properly.

And I will not go f*ck myself. You seem to have that covered for me.

What sort of people are you?

Go ahead and tell me.

You have a partner who was abused as a child. And I am dealing with consequences years ahead.

And you tell me to go feck myself? I am trying my best.Look in the mirror and tell me that you are better than I am. And you call me whining?

Atcha, for the most part I have always liked your posts, but you have gone overboard on this one, IMO.

I am trying my best, and I only hope it is good enough.

Trad climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
I am surprised by your reaction, you always seem level-headed.

I am level headed, Patrick. I see what is going on for you. It is taking you down and you don't see clearly how your outlook has changed in the last two years because of the burden.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:37pm PT
hey in patricks name I sent you 10 bucks! I guess i can risk it eh?

those dogs look like they are really great dogs man - good luck
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:40pm PT
Happie, yeah, things are not great. But if you really care about people, you have to try and be positive, but the negativity can be overwhelming at times.

I try my best, and the health authorities say I am doing a great job, but I wonder.

To you, Atcha and others, I do try to keep my chin up. And I do not mean to insult anybody. I AM NOT a whinger, but sometimes things just get you down. A bloke looking for money for his dogs, when there are people who need more support (on this forum, and I am not including myself, I have a good team in place - doctors, nurses, carers) but come on, what about so and so (no names mentioned) that we communicate on this forum on a regular basis?

I guess I took the wrong tack. Stupid me.


I know what it is like to ship a dog, I have done it. Okay, England to the US is not the same as Indonesia to the US. I love animals. The only gift I could afford Jennie this past Christmas was a 40 WWF for snow leopards.

I am not trying to diss this bloke looking for money for his dogs. But I would not go online looking for money. Plain and simple. But it looks like I have invoked the ire of some people. That was not my intention, but as my late mother always said, "The road to Hell is paved with the best of intentions".

I wish the guy the best of luck in getting his beloved dogs to the US. Heathrow to SF, with a stop over in Atlanta. I asked the airline people could I go see my dog (1993, pre 911) when in Atlanta, they said sure. So I went to see Ci. Can't imagine that happening nowadays.


Some of the reactions by a couple of people to my posts, not positive. Perhaps I should just quit the forum, easier than taking the 'abuse' a couple of you have thrown at me. I'll just go cry in my beer. Oops, water, as I am not drinking anymore.

I try, but it looks like I have failed in some of your eyes. So I guess I will just go and feck myself, as Atcha suggested.

Smiles, nothing but smiles. ;-)

Trad climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
Well...hopefully you are just being facetious with the "quit the forum" thing.
Fish Finder

Social climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
Life sure is crazy

Some people chop their own firewood.

Some people pay for their firewood

Some people go cold
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Feb 12, 2013 - 06:55pm PT
Happie, I love this forum.

But I do not need people like Atchafalaya to go tell me to go f*ck myself.

I am just trying to be honest, and for that I get abuse. Sad is me.

And I usually always agreed with his posts. I must have struck a bad chord with him.

I have a lot on my plate, as I imagine a lot of us do. I do not need the likes of Atchafalaya to berate me.

I can see why Anders/Mighty Hiker has decided to leave this forum.

I am not looking for sympathy, but I am also not looking for money to ship some dogs.

I shipped my dog to the States (1993) on my own money. Not my mom's, not the UK's, not anybody but myself. And not a climber's forum.

And I did not have a teaching job lined up in California/Arizona/or elsewhere.


Atchafalaya sent me an email that was very nice, thanks dude. We all can get caught up in the moment.


Atchafalaya, thank you. I need that sort of reinforcement. I am only human, as we all are. Again, thank you. It reifies my trust in the forum.
Fish Finder

Social climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
Hi Patrick

Just to clear up a few things.

He has no job lined up.

He goes about doing things different than you would

You seem to be angry at him for this

It is very basic

He is different than you

I can accept both of you and appreciate your contributions,

I never would ask for anything here except for friendship, many cool people here

I would not donate to him but I do like his style for following through his thoughts with a plan
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Feb 12, 2013 - 07:31pm PT
Fish Finder, yeah, I may have been a bit of a knee-jerk.

It just strikes me as odd that... well, it just strikes me as odd.

I have a had a couple of emails from other Supertopians, good ones.

I need to chill out.

Yours and cheers


Boulder, CO
Feb 12, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
Every little bit helps, right?

I miss you...
I miss you...
Credit: nature

chipped in a little.... cheers...

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 12, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
I saw a bit of the westminister dog show on the TV in the bar I was playing music in this evening. just about made me puke. this societys values are f*#ked up beyond all repair. All I can say is love your human as much as you love your dog and fer chist sake do something kind and charitable to as many needy humans as you do for needy dogs....

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
Not sure if it helps, but I said I would keep people posted on funds raised.

Direct to paypal: $163.45
Chip-In $25.00

I appreciate all the contributions. So does my wife Ernita.

Kuma, the white one, and Sato the brown one, appreciate it too.


Credit: Guangzhou


Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
Tradman, I agree, people should threat each other with respect and love.

Not sure how to make that happen. Just the tone people speak to each other in creates animosity.

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