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Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 8, 2013 - 10:58pm PT
Well, looks like I've become one of the beggars.

After several years of living in Indonesia, teaching here, opening a business that employs locals, and being married to an Indonesian, the government is complicating the process for me to stay even more. Kitas, Indonesia Work Visa, are almost impossible for me to get this year, and spouses of Indonesians aren't allowed to work.

The climbing gym is only two years old, so doesn't provide a positive cash flow yet.

With all this in mind, over the last couple months, Ernita and I have discussed the possibility of moving to America where I can teach Middle School Again. Arizona and Washington D.C. both have jobs for me. (I prefer Arizona because I can pick some places near climbing) I would love Northern California but still working some issues there.

Anyways, I've started a Chip-in to help me relocated the two dogs. They are family, we have no kids. (Sensitive issue) We've considered giving them up for adoption, but locals raise their dogs in cages, so the idea isn't appealing.

If we raise enough money, or raise more than we need, we plan on giving all the extra to a local Animal Welfare Society. They operate a no kill shelter.

Hope to get some help, but I also know times are tight for everyone.

Link to blog with donation widget.

Cheers,
Eman





Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Feb 8, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
Expat spouses aren't allowed to work?

That's even more messed up than China where they regularly have to apply for a spousal visa.
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2013 - 11:29pm PT
Regulations here are stricter than China.

Ex-pat spouses here are not allowed to work and must reapply for visas too.

Now, the climbing gym I "manage" is having trouble getting me work visas because the government is claiming they are locals who can do the job. Never mind that we are the first real climbing gym in Indonesia.


My last work permit had me listed has Head of "Specialized Marketing in Rock Climbing Gyms." We had to find a job that a local couldn't do.

We've considered making the climbing gym a foreign owned business, but that cost over 10,000 USD and since the gym hasn't reached a positive cash flow yet, it's not worth it. Not to mention I no longer have 10 grand in the bank.

Looks like I'll be back teaching in America and my wife will be working on a Green Card. Maybe when the gym gets a positive cash-flow we can come back. Most likely, we will sell our share ASAP.

For now, I need to raise some funds to bring Kuma and Sato with us.

Eman
mrtropy

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Feb 8, 2013 - 11:46pm PT
I talked to a Danish guy in Singapore who would just fly to Singapore or KL every so often to get his passport stamped. My cousin lives on Bali about 3 or 4 months a year having an import export business. You would think the government would want to keep you there for you knowledge.
labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Feb 8, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
Try posting pictures of the dogs. Might try contacting some animal charities?
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2013 - 10:08pm PT
Yes, we've considered flying back and forth every month, but the government is tracking down on that too. It would also put our climbing gym in jeopardy when they keep seeing a foreigner around who doesn't work there.

Keep in mind, Class 5 is the first in Indonesia to do a real climbing gym. We get visitors from the various government offices weekly and the Indonesian Climbing Federation are regulars.

A few of the upper members in the Federation want to see us gone so they can buy out facilities and run it as their own business. These guys have been making money in the "Grey Sectors" of government contracts for decades and are well connected. I'm guessing they took 30% off the the top on the ASEA game revenue.

No matter what, the dogs are ultimately my responsibly, so I'll deal with it. Just wanted to see if holding my hand out would help a bit.

Dog photos, actually included the whole family.

Credit: Guangzhou

Credit: Guangzhou

Credit: Guangzhou
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 9, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
I'm in a similar situation in Japan. Their population and economy are both declining and I have retirement income earned elsewhere to convert to yen and spend, but that still doesn't get a visa. And I have four dogs and a cat to get back to the U.S.

The cheapest way to do it is bring your dogs as accompanied baggage (not cargo). Yours are not too big so I'm guessing about $500 each from Hong Kong on. Indonesia to HK I don't know. I figure problems like this are what credit cards are for, especially if you have a job lined up.

I'd help, but I have double the problems you do right now. I can tell you that All Nippon Airlines is known for taking good care of animals and I can give you the name of a kennel service in LA that will meet you at the airport and help you transfer to another airline or side of the airport if that's what you need.
Ŗ ő ō T « H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Feb 10, 2013 - 12:11am PT
Try posting pictures of the dogs.
Try posting more pictures of your wife. : P
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2013 - 12:58am PT
All here for any contact in L.A.

Japan isn't easy either. I lived Okinawa for several years. A lot of people were flying back and forth to Taiwan, but the government slowly shut that down.

Eman
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2013 - 01:05am PT
Pard-o,

Thanks. We're going to be dealing with China Airline. One layover in Tapei. From there, straight to L.A.X., perhaps America's most like airport.

Dogs are four years old, very healthy, and we have their entire medical history in their vet book. Complete with stickers from the medical/shots they took. (My wife is much more responsible than me.)

As for more photos of my wife, which she and I both laughed at, we'll send you a framed 8 by 12 photo of her and the two dogs for a minimum donation of 50.00 when we arrive in the U.S.

For those of you who prefer a photo of me and the dogs, maybe you need to get a new prescription for your glasses, but I'll offer the same.

Thanks for all the advice so far.

Eman

Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 10, 2013 - 04:02am PT
I don't know why Pard-o is being so negative. American service people ship dogs all over the world. Quite a few have even paid to send Afghan street dogs they were attached to, back to the U.S.

From Indonesia to LA with one layover in Taipei is very doable. Americans ship dogs on China Air from Okinawa through Taipei all the time. In Japan we can take our dogs down to Japanese customs the day before and they examine them and clear them so that they don't have to go through customs in L.A. If I were you, I'd check with the American Embassy in Jakarta to see what the requirements and procedure are. Usually they have a one page checklist of all vaccines needed already prepared. If your dogs have the right vaccines, they're not going to be quarantined but there are specific requirements in terms of how long before the flight all shots must be done.

Contact Mary Seward-Yamada to get details. She ships several service people's dogs from Okinawa to L.A. and vice versa every week and she's the person who can arrange for the kennel pickup in L.A. She's a wealth of experience and it would be worth your while to talk to her on the phone / skype for specific advice.

campcanine@gmail.com

Tell her Jan in Okinawa referred you.

RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 10, 2013 - 04:45am PT
Hey Guangzho, you seem like a good guy doing a good thing. It's not much but i thought i'd get the ball rolling for you & your family.

Cheers.


Ryan
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Feb 10, 2013 - 04:59am PT


Your a good egg Ryan.


Ruff situation !
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 10, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
Every country IS different in their regulations about bringing dogs in. And eve Hawai'i has it's own quarantine rules which differ from mainland USA.

Rules also change - so make sure well ahead of time that you know what is needed.

I used to have a dog walking service and one of my clients needed to go backto Australia as her mother was dying. She'd stayed in US as her dad passed and she knew better now...

Australia had a 6 month quarantine. But, for some reason, the quarantine could be done on THIS side...don't ask me why. There, the dog would be in a kennel at a boarding facility. Here, the dog was in my apartment, free as a bird..well, as a dog. He just had to go to the vet a few times to make sure he was healthy and then again just before departure. The lady arranged for a air transport pet care service to handle taking the dog from my place to airport. They knew exactly how to handle it all.

dave

climber
Earth
Feb 10, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
Another person asking for money, I don't give a sh#t what the cause is, this trend is complete bull shit!
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
Not a missionary or pastor. I was an International School teacher for along time. Opened a climbing gym two years ago and living on my savings, but running into issues with the visa. (Already mentioned above)

Moving back to America where I can teach either in Arizona, Nevada, California. (Public schools)


A lot of advice above, and yes, I've checked all the requirements for taking the dogs. I tutor several Consulate children in Math here, so finding the right people to ask is easy.

I lived in Okinawa for a few years, on DOD orders. Moving dogs with the Federal Government SOFA status is much easier than with no status. For some reason, the plane cost of taking a dog from Okinawa to Taipei is about half of Surabaya to Taipei.

For those of you who donated, thanks. I'm keeping the money in Paypal until I need it. If I can make do with it, you'll have it returned. (Seems your names are on the deposits, so it should be easy.

As for a climbing forum, I've been posting here for a while now. I even know some of you in the real world.

Jan, are you currently in Okinawa. Are you climbing places like USA beach, Black Wall, Lost World, Zampa, Pacific Wall or Meada? Just curious, nothing more.

Eman







Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 10, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
I was just going to say, please folks don't turn this into another hate fest of someone you don't even know.

As for climbing in Okinawa, I never have. I hate humidity and I dehydrate easily. Not to mention I don't like the idea of snakes living in cliffs. Even Layton Kor told me he stopped climbing for those reasons when he lived on Guam and went snorkeling and diving instead. So hats off to anyone who climbs here, but not me, especially since Nepal is only a plane flight away and I love big snow mountains.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 11, 2013 - 12:48am PT
I read the thread about the kids beaten up in Peru and the insistence by some that they also were nothing but scammers. Maybe they are and maybe they aren't. I just find it sad that so many people are so cynical. I'd rather be taken advantage of from time to time than be so suspicious of other's motives.
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2013 - 12:58am PT
Jan,

I agree, humidity in Okinawa is bad, but in 5 years of developing climbing routes, often having to cut the trail through the jungle myself, I never ran into a snake while climbing in Okinawa. I did run into a Habu in downtown Naha once. Saw a lot of them fermenting in Alamori too.

Okinawa has some nice rock climbing. I also can't imagine not climbing for several years, so I tolerated the heat/humidity, I was usually off island from Mid June to August. Didn't climb in June because the first month of school is always difficult.

We usually climbed in the shade, on most cliffs that meant starting around 11:00. At the tunnel we climbed in the morning and swam/snorkeled in the afternoon.

Dehydrate easily, that must be a though thing in the world on mountaineering.

To everyone else, I am not worried or concerned about negative comments or looking like a scam artist. Trust me, don't trust, about this being to get my dogs home. Can't do anything either way.

Jan, the snorkeling on Okinawa is pretty fantastic too.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 11, 2013 - 01:21am PT
The habu are mostly nocturnal. I saw lots of them out at Torii station when I walked my dogs there at night. I just have a horror of reaching into a crack and waking one.

As for dehydration, the liquid lost through heavy breathing at altitude is nothing compared to the full body sweat of Okinawa - and that is just getting from the house to the car.

Speaking of dogs and airlines, I was very active in protesting United's decision to bump up the fee for military member's dogs from $500 to $5,000 right after they got a new 5 year Dept. of Defense contract. Facebook petitions and protests, and Good Morning America made them back down on that one, thus sparing the lives of many animals that would otherwise have been abandoned, and the pocket books of many young military people who would have charged $10,000 to their credit cards to get their pets home.

So yes, some of us do take our pets seriously.
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2013 - 05:58am PT
Torii station. Okinawa's but hot-tub. They had a threadwall for awhile, but no one maintained it, so it died.

Didn't know about United and the dog thing. Nice to see social media workd for good sometimes.

Cheers
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:30am PT
Coz. It's not a scam . Gungzau has been on here and RC,com for years. It is however a first world problem..
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 11, 2013 - 07:14am PT
Or a Buddhist problem. I have Sherpa and Tibetan friends who spend a lot of money buying animals destined for slaughter and then liberating them.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Feb 11, 2013 - 11:02am PT
America has enough dogs as it is . . .
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Feb 11, 2013 - 11:09am PT


Coz ..... you are such a rigger!


Give your money to whomever you want.

But please STFU
Chinchen

climber
Way out there....
Feb 11, 2013 - 11:11am PT
I agree with Coz. How bout give me money to feed my kids?

Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Feb 11, 2013 - 11:24am PT
Coz can't seem to be able to tell the difference between a man and a woman.

Guangzhou is a man.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine
Feb 11, 2013 - 11:37am PT
America has too many kids ;).
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 11, 2013 - 11:38am PT
Guangzhou = man.

Pay attention.

In the photos up thread, you see Gringo male with an Indonesian wife and cute dogs. He talks about coming back to the states to teach school and being married to an Indonesian woman.

He's also been on Supertopo for a long time.

Sheesh.
dave

climber
Earth
Feb 11, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
Ok great Wang-chung has been here a long time.

I've never seen the dude here, but that doesn't mean anything.

I think what Coz is saying and which I agree whole heartedly with, is that this 'trend' of asking for money here on ST is bullsh#t, put simply! And for Dogs? Sh#t trade em' in and rescue a new one when you get here if its that big of a hassle, but soliciting funds on ST for getting them here? BULL SH#T!!!

Shite tie a dog cage to a raft and set them loose, they'll end up in Hawaii in like 6 months or so.

Asking for money from people you don't know is BS.

Wang chung doesn't have any friends that could help him with the 300$ it takes or whatever? SCAM, SCAM, SCAM

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 11, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
Did I miss it... how much will it cost to bring 2 dogs to the US? The poor Costa Ricans who rented our basement apartment brought their little yapper "chispa"... so it couldn't have been that much.

The biggest difference between this thread and the other one is Guangzhu and family aren't blaming a shitty situation on everyone involved EXCEPT themselves... and THEN asking strangers for money. Oh, and the fact that I love dogs.

Best of luck. Let us know how much it is expected to cost, I'm curious.
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 11, 2013 - 12:18pm PT


If you can't take care of your own dog (Expenses and all), maybe you shouldn't have one...





Might seem shi!tty for me to write that...

But I also believe it...

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 11, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
FWIW, when I was in Greece my dog ate a bag of trail mix with raisins in it. The dog sitters heard raisins were toxic for dogs, so they rushed him to the emergency vet. They did liver enzyme tests twice a day and racked up a $500+ bill. I was a little upset because it was entirely unnecessary, but I paid it because I could and I love my dogs and my friends. It is water under the bridge... but I'm happy to take donations!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 11, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
Why is giving Bridwell money ok and not this?

Aren't people free to donate to whatever they like?

If you don't like it, don't click it.
kev

climber
A pile of dirt.
Feb 11, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
So if you want to help me with dogs here's what I need.

I really need a house with a large yard in the bay area so they
can have a place to roam. It can't be a rental either so I need to
buy a house to get a dog or two. But to do that I need down payment $,
way more than I have currently saved. Figure 20% down and 500k house
cost. Maybe the taco can help me raise half of the 100k I need.

Please help local american dogs!
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Feb 11, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
It sounds to me like the OP (who I don't know but recognize from his posts on rc.com going back for years) is getting somewhat unexpectedly screwed by the Indonesian government--not sure how that's so different from unexpected health problems. (Yeah no one chooses health problems, but you can get a job and pay for health and disability insurance, right?)
I don't think anyone starts a climbing gym because they see it as a path to riches--they do it because they like climbing and want to contribute to a local climbing community, or perhaps try to establish one in this case.

We all have to carefully consider our charitable donations in these challenging economic times, but this one seems pretty legit to me. I probably won't contribute as I see shipping dogs across the globe as a bit of an unnecessary luxury. But there's no reason to hate on or mock this guy, just add his to the 99.99% of charitable causes to which you won't contribute.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Feb 11, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
Its a dog eat dog world


Now I agree with you Coz, not conspiring,,
Just a cyber begfest

Strange to say the least but maybe not for here.
John M

climber
Feb 11, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
I wonder what would have happened if he had just decided to keep his mouth shut and because of whatever reasons could not afford to bring the dogs and he found a home for them, but then found out after he was here in the states that the people he gave them to lost there job and put the dogs in a shelter and they were killed.

Then he writes a note in the dog thread saying good-bye as he had to leave his dogs because he just couldn't afford to bring them to the states.

I wonder how many would say.. Hey.. why didn't you say something. I would have pitched in.

I wonder how many of these nay sayers might have even pitched in a 20.

Just wondering folks. Thats all.
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Feb 11, 2013 - 05:05pm PT
Good luck getting the dogs to the US.

The donation link you provided does not update the amounts you have already collected. How much will it cost and how much have you received so far?
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 11, 2013 - 05:16pm PT


"The donation link you provided does not update the amounts you have already collected...how much have you received so far?"...



$17,034.08 and counting...

Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 11, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
Sounds par for the course...
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
Locker isn't a happy troll or anything, Coz.
labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
Locker would respond if he could get up off the floor.........
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
Nope Jebus... not at all

and after all these years his hooks are still as sharp as ever.

http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_forum.php?cur=0&dcid=PTM_PDo4OCE,&ftr=

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1197468&msg=1892463#msg1892463

I could go on....

doesn't take too much research to figure a few things out.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
Coz is easily trolled...
canyoncat

Social climber
SoCal
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
Well hell if it's gonna be like that;

I had some hard luck here and there, and spent my youth spending (hehehe). Now I'm a little short for retirement. I don't have cute rugrats to show, I don't have a spouse half my age, and I'm currently petless, but if someone wants to help me set up a webpage and paypal, I'll take some money too please.
PerlonHex

Sport climber
Orange County, Ca.
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
I just donated, not a lot but some to help these dogs and people out. When you donate it shows you a running total and it was at $18,475 at almost 4PM. Looking good!
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine
Feb 11, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
Nope Jebus... not at all

and after all these years his hooks are still as sharp as ever.

http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_forum.php?cur=0&dcid=PTM_PDo4OCE,&ftr=

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1197468&msg=1892463#msg1892463

I could go on....

doesn't take too much research to figure a few things out.


I'm not really sure what you're saying. To be plain, I was saying Locker has been known (admittedly, on his part) to troll a few people now and then.

If dude has totaled 18k already (highly leery of that), I just hope it's enough to get those adorable dogs here in the U.S.A..

edit: Oh, I guess you're corroborating that the OP looks to be a legit user? Got it.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 11, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
coz - you need to pay more attention. And not to locker.... again.... ever. You've been trolled and it's kinda sad to watch.


Jebus: I thought you were simply pointing out that locker is full of his typical sh#t and trolling.

where does $17K come from?

Looks like ten bucks to me.


Credit: nature


edit: edit: yup, got it. got it! lol!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 11, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
Wow, I just donated $20 and it is already up to $23,142.


naecha, the troll killa!
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine
Feb 11, 2013 - 08:12pm PT
$10!?? That BASTARD!!!!

edit: Tears stream silently down Coz' face as his fingers clack away like angry spiders.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 11, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
I can't wait to run my fundraiser for my trip to Mexico to bring awareness to shark-finning. In locker world I'm sure I'll have a cool quarter mil' in no time....
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine
Feb 11, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
You BASTARD!!!!
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 11, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
Wouldn't it be funny if coz was the one trolling and was the one that coughed up the ten bucks?
Mr Roy

climber
Seattle
Feb 11, 2013 - 09:09pm PT
"I was an International School teacher for along time"

Oh, CIA, eh?
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 11, 2013 - 10:03pm PT
The CIA can't live on a teacher's salary nor keep their counsel around liberals. They pose instead as businessmen and military attaches.
Mr Roy

climber
Seattle
Feb 11, 2013 - 10:22pm PT
Oh yeah right, I really believe you..
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 11, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
CIA agents don't do it for money. they do it for the love of the job. the thrill... excitement... the duty to self and nation.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 11, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
jesus this thread i a good one! I'm glad I didn't chime in sooner - or maybe not?!? This is classic in the sense that it all sounds awesome but there is squat for verification so.....


I just find it sad that so many people are so cynical


Me too but that is exactly the bait that is used to set the trap. It is not a matter of wishing it is a matter of reality. Fraud happens and they call it a confidence scheme.

The thing is, there is a business opportunity here. If someone could create an E-Bay for "cries for help" that are verified as true .... or maybe a an online Slueth service? - You could call it E - Dick!

If this guy is true we all would love to help. If not ...... maybe part of the attraction in using such an E - Dick service would be the ability to inflict E - Vigilante justice where needed, as much as provide help where needed. I'm telling you there's money to be made here!
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 11, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
CIA???


Oh jeez, already.






Mr Roy

climber
Seattle
Feb 11, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
Yes happi, it's call data-mining..
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 11, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
Not quite following you on this tangent ole Roy....

You are suggesting that a guy, a teacher, who posts frequently on rockclimbing.com, details the development of a climbing gym venture he worked on, and now posts this thread is a CIA operative who is data-mining through these climbing websites?

What?... His cover was blown and so he's getting kicked out of Indonesia, but they're politely giving him 2 weeks notice to vacate, and the good old USofA is too strapped for money to extract him, so they suggested he come up with a scheme designed to pull on the heartstrings of Supertopo and fund his getaway? Because (through data mining) it is clear that this is a dog loving forum?

phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Feb 11, 2013 - 10:58pm PT
just add his to the 99.99% of charitable causes to which you won't contribute.

I recognize the poster as a long time ST contributor. Seems like a good person.
But Jan summarized my own reaction: "this is what credit cards are for". You have a job waiting for you in the States, according to your post...
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Feb 11, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
This has gone so far off the OP request it is pathetic. The guy has been posting for years. So he comes to the taco hat in hand asking for some help. How many times has that happened? And then he gets crucified. I've seen a number of posts here about grieving for the loss of a pet and the condolences subsequentley conveyed.

I have no clue about the accumulation in the pay pal account but it sounds bogus to me that it could get that high.

OP, can you clarify the actual cost rather than just ask for cash?

Good lord, let's hear him out rather than pilliory him.
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
Didnít anticipate all this discussion. $17,000+ worried me a bit, definitely too much.

For those interested and asking:
$10.00 on chip-in.
$101.85 with people who sent money directly to my PayPal.

First and foremost, I agree, the dogs are my responsibility and no one elseís.

Several of you have pointed out that this is my problem and I should deal with it. I agree, I have no one to blame. I came to Indonesia as an International School teacher. Yes, we spend all our spare time spying for the CIA. Those of you who are teacher will appreciate the spare time comment.

While here, I decided to leave a steady job to start a climbing gym in a foreign country. A country known for constantly changing itsí laws, especially work permits and those related to small/medium sized businesses.

The business was started; my share was put in my wifeís name. Foreigners canít own a business without becoming a foreign cooperation. About $20,000 cost. My wife, partner, and I decided the extra 20,000 wasnít worth it because Ernita is Indonesian. A conscious decision that I willingly made. Again, I blame no-one.

Because of the work visa situation here, my wife and I will move to America so I can go back to teaching in the States. Nevada, Arizona, California, maybe Utah. Unlike a climbing gym, teaching is guaranteed to make me rich.

Several of you believe this is a scam, nothing I can do about that. Several of you have donated; thank you. Some of you have defended me; I appreciate it. Most of you have read this, didnít attack, defend, or donate.

Someone pointed out that I have no control over what laws the Indonesian Government decides to change or alter so this isnít so different from in unexpected health issues. I think health issues are much worse and that 99% of the people who experience them are much less responsible for causing them than I am for me being in Indonesia. With the exception of someone willingly putting themselves in a dangerous situation and getting hurt, I think unexpected health issues are not the personís fault, but this is a position I put myself in.

I very much agree that this is a first world problem. As someone who has seen and volunteered in third world countries, I completely agree they are much better causes out there than bringing my dogs to America. Many great causes in America are much higher on the list too.

Cheers,
Eman
I can keep you guys posted on how much I raise if youíre interested.



Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
Last two post must have been posted while I was writing.

Initial estimate from the airline is 1500.00 USD. That is what I am trying to raise.

Second post, no job yet. I plan on teaching and with my experience, I should be able to find a job in Either Arizona, Nevada, Utah maybe California.

Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Feb 11, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
Is it that easy to find a teaching job in the US right now?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 11, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
Unlike a climbing gym, teaching is guaranteed to make me rich.

A teacher with a sense of humor is a good thing.
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
Not sure how easy a teaching job will be to find, but I'm jumping through the hoops now. The districts I'm emailing with seem very positive. My wife and I both realize we could end up working at Trader Joes or asking "do you want fries with that?"

A teacher without a sense of humor is what scares me.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 11, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
I was only half kidding about E -Dick. There is a serious problem with confidence scheming.

The problem in all likelyhood is not this poster - or is it? The fact is no one knows at it requires trust more than verification to roll with it. Sorry to drift the thread here but the concern that Coz and others voice is valid. It was the same with the Peru people - likely legitimately in need of help but how is one to differentiate such cases from the Nigerian Prince frauds?

It is a cynical response perhaps, but like it or not we live in cynical times where blind trust is a risky proposition. Some here may have a reasonable reason to believe the poster but a huge number of others including myself do not, even if I would prefer otherwise. This is a public forum, not a private one where everyone knows each other and develop trust based on long term intimacy.

I usually wonder in such cases why the solicitor of donations dosn't go to personal friends and family in a private manner.

I'm sorry if I am being a thorn in the side to a legitimate cry for help but the potential for abuse is just too obvious to ignore.... and yes I am too damn lazy to do the detective work myself. There has to be a better way to legitimately solicit funds.

I seem to recall that the Peru people raised 17k or so. I wonder how all that played out and to what end? Was that all just gossip?

Eman, you certainly sound legit and ok. Surely you can understand the legitimacy of some distrust? I have experienced fraud first hand and have a hard time recognizing a difference with you. This is merely an observation, not a judgement.

What do you think?






Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 12:01am PT
Bruce,

I agree with your post, and I know nothing I write here can sway people one way or the other. I too am cynical in many cases. Sometimes I choose to help, other times I don't.

Whether or not I've been scammed online I can't say. I do know that while living in Indonesia, I was able to track my Master Card and a Gas Card across the states from Wyoming to the Great Lakes. Definite Identity theft. One gas card saw things my way, the other is making me pay, and my Master Card knows that I live here and can't in two places at once. During the same time frame, I paid into social security in Arkansas.

Here in ST, I donated to one one cause, that was the get Taco Sans home. The Japanese Girl Climber who was paralyze in a car accident. I know she is currently back in Japan and after a couple years starting to recover.

Third world causes, I tend to donate time more than money.

Again, donate, don't donate. Hope some help, I understand those that don't.


nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 12, 2013 - 01:36am PT
Your first post here was March of 2010. So you've been setting us up for this scam for three years.

not only that you've been posting fake climbing photos.
http://www.supertopo.com/inc/photo_view.php?dpid=MzM8Pzk3IyIl

on top of all that you're clearly a CIA agent and the gym you speak of isn't even real.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1966131/Help-name-our-Climbing-Series

And the topper is you have a fascination with crack machines.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1955836&msg=1955836#msg1955836

All that work for ten bucks ;-)



that reminds me of a joke...

what did the doe say when she came out of the woods?

"that's the last time I do that for ten bucks".



Edit:

I seem to recall that the Peru people raised 17k or so.

Oooooooh.... I get it now. locker is sniffing so much glue he couldn't remember the difference between a bunch of climbers that got their ass kicked in Peru and a guy with two dogs in a country a Pacific Ocean away. *that's* where he got the $17K numbah....
John M

climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 01:44am PT
All that work for ten bucks ;-)

Climbers are suckers for a sob story..
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 12, 2013 - 01:47am PT
Good work nature. Too much mouse clicking for this cowboy.

Should you call the FBI seeing howz you cracked the case?
Mr Roy

climber
Seattle
Feb 12, 2013 - 03:02am PT
So you never really introduced us properly. Do those cute little buddies have names?

I was just sortta kidding about the CIA. I had a childhood friend who work for the CIA as an international teacher but he went places like Kuwait and Iraq. True story.

Anyways good luck, I'm broke.

Happi, good story !

Edit: Hey wait, I think he was in southeast asia, too.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 12, 2013 - 04:32am PT
Unlike a climbing gym, teaching is guaranteed to make me rich.

Glad you still have your sense of humor.

And interesting that you mention Tacos Satoko. I donated to her too and then asked for my check back when the woman collecting couldn't give me an address or phone number for her family in Japan, their name, or the name of the hospital where she was taken. Later she was able to post on Facebook and I decided it was legit.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 12, 2013 - 06:57am PT
I work 40hrs a week as a carpenter and work weekends as a photographer. i only manage to get one day of climbing in a week. I am barely makeing my bills these days. I desperatly need to get new glasses and get to the dentist. Also need distemper, feline lukemia and a rabies shot for the cat
Eiger Dreams
Eiger Dreams
Credit: tradmanclimbs
last time I went to the vet for shots it was $180.00 No clue how much the dentist will be but 2k should be in the ballpark? My prescription for eyeglasses has run out and I badly need new glasses. Eye exam is $70.00 and glasses 300 or so. Will you guys rip me a new one if I ask for donations?
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 12, 2013 - 07:05am PT
I also need some new tools for work that I have not been able to afford. frameing square (mine is damaged) hand plane, powe plane and a jig saw. i really do work my 50yr old ass off and barly able to pay the bills with zero left over for the medical issues and tools. I do not drink or do drugs and i eat very frugaly.
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 07:19am PT
Jan, Taco was legit.

I met her in Camp 4, she was climbing with her partner and we ended up sharing a site. My partner wanted to climbing Lost Arrow, Taco and her partner wanted to learn about aid climbing.

She was a fast learner, climbing less than a year at the time.

I have not heard from her, even with facebook, hard to keep up with people.

What I noticed about her was how excited she was about everything.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 12, 2013 - 07:58am PT
I wish I could help. But I do not know where this month's rent is going to come from.

I took my late dog from Wales, London, California, Ireland (where he is buried in the mountains at my former editor's family cottage).

I sympathize with you, sorry I can't help dude.

Best of luck and my good wishes go with you. That is all I can offer, good vibes.


EDIT

When I was living in London, and after seven years my work papers were not renewed, I called the California State Veterinarian in Sacramento. He said to just make sure my dog, Ci (Welsh for dog, not very original is it), was vaccinated within three days of landing in California. The local vet in Harrow said that, since rabies is eradicated in Britain, that he doesn't carry the vaccine and would have to order it, at a cost.

So when I landed in SF, the next day I went to the Contra Costa County animal control and had Ci vaccinated.

Eman, again, best of luck.


EDIT

Make sure that the kennels are up to the standards that the International Air Transport Association (IATA) suggest, no not suggest, are in order, or most airlines will not transport the pet.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine
Feb 12, 2013 - 08:21am PT
tradmanclimbs wrote:

Will you guys rip me a new one if I ask for donations?


I wouldn't, but others would. Times. They's tough.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Feb 12, 2013 - 08:26am PT
Hey tradmanclimbs,


http://www.zennioptical.com/


should save you hundreds on eyeglasses although you will still need to pay the 70 to get the script.


See sometimes asking for help can be productive.

All you weak asses who thrive on being dicks (det), just dont donate, you are not saving the world by dogging this guy and calling bullsh#t.

He seems like a normal guy who put himself out on a limb,if you dont want to help , great but you dont need to start sawing the branch.


I think most of you that are bitching dont have the balls to ask for help.

edit: your ego does not need to rest on someone elses story.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 12, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
After reading all of this thread...

Most of us are hurting financially, I would guess. I certainly am.

But it is sort of lame asking for donations to get some dogs to the US, especially if one claims to have a decent job lined up as a teacher.

And he has not been posting here for years. 2010, well, I suppose that is years.

I do not know where my rent is going to come from on the 17th.

I keep Jennie in this house because it is safe and secure for her medical condition.

Yes, we do get some help from the Irish government. But nothing to cover our rent and bills. But you don't see me going online to beg for money to get some dogs to the US.

I would never ever dream of begging on any forum, more less this one. I make my own way as best as I can.

I am sure this Emam dude is probably okay. But come on, there are people on this forum struggling to pay medical bills and this guy has the cheek to come ask us for money for his dogs.

Get a life. I need more money than your fecking dogs but I do not go a begging.

EDIT

Actually, I think it is disgraceful for this guy to beg to get his dogs to the USA.

Disgraceful. Has this guy no pride?

I love animals. Until the money ran out I was donating to eight charities every month... Ä220/month to Concern, Barnados, VSO, Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children, Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, the Lifeboats (RNLI), Dublin-Wicklow Mountain Rescue...

The cheek of this guy to ask for money. What about some long-term Supertopians who are facing medical bills?

As I look at it, feck you for even having the cheek to look for money, Guangzhou. Or whatever your name is. You have your priorities mixed up and thank the heavens you will never teach my children, not that I have any. You are a bad example.

A brass neck is what you have.

Where is my rent going to come from to keep my partner safe?

Oh, let's go online and beg. Set up a Paypal account and fleece people.

No, never. I make my own way. I do not need to beg like you are, you sad soul.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 12, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
I am waiting for my CafePress and Zazzle t-shirt shops commissions to come and then donate to this cause(due by 15th). Even though I can only do a little bit - the very thought of these dogs being unable to come home along with their "people parents" is too sad to think about.

It seems to me this change in Guanzhaou's situation was unexpected. I know from some of his posts on rc that he was dedicated to that climbing gym and felt it was going to be a financially successful venture. He invested quite a bit and is he pissing about how his investment is being pulled out from under him? No.....


edit: Patrick...wow. What a pained soul you have become. I know you are suffering under the burden you have taken on. I know you have come to ST at times seeking emotional support. I know you have flat-out rejected suggestions from those who tell you you cannot do it alone.

But the nastiness of your last post clearly indicates - YOU. NEED. HELP.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:05pm PT
Yeah, Happie, I need help, but not your kind.

I am speaking from my heart and soul. I love animals. Would I take a dog from Britain to California to Ireland if I did not care for such dog.

You hurt me Happie. I am just being honest. If I sound bitter, perhaps I see some guy who is begging for money when most of us are just trying to get by. I am surprised by your reaction, you always seem level-headed.

And I do not give a rat's ass what you think.

I am trying to get by and keep a good human being in health.

If I need help, you are NOT the one to provide it.

I was not trying to be nasty, just realistic. There are people on this forum who need more help than this guy is asking for. I would have thought, by your previous posts, that you would have realized this.

Shall I post some photos of Jennie and I so as to generate some sympathy? No, I know better.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
I can't spare a dime these days, but good luck man. With the dogs and the job search.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
DON'T leave your dogs in Asia!
They might end up on someones, DINNER TABLE!

That happened to our dog Midnight, when we left Japan in 1959.
A couple of weeks before we left Japan to go to 29 Palms,
my dad gave the dog to one of our neighbors because of all the hassles getting the dog to the US. A few days before we left, Dad asked the papasan
how the dog was doing. Papasan rubbed his stomach and said, YUMMY, or something to that effect.

Midnight was my dog, and I cried for days afterwards.
:(
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
Patrick, give it a rest.

Guangzhou, sorry I only had $10. Take care of the dogs and let us know how it works out.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
Atcha, sorry you feel that way. I am just trying to prove a point. I guess I took the wrong tack. I am not whinging. But good heavens, begging to get dogs to the US when there are people on this forum who need to cover medical expenses.

At least I have some very good support here in Ireland to look after Jennie. But what about those in the States, fellow Supertopians, that are hurting worse than I am?

Call me what you want Atcha. I just hope the day comes where you do not need support. I mean that. I do not bare any sort of ill feelings to anybody, and if I have come across that I have, then it is my fault for not communicating properly.

And I will not go f*ck myself. You seem to have that covered for me.

What sort of people are you?

Go ahead and tell me.

You have a partner who was abused as a child. And I am dealing with consequences years ahead.

And you tell me to go feck myself? I am trying my best.Look in the mirror and tell me that you are better than I am. And you call me whining?

Atcha, for the most part I have always liked your posts, but you have gone overboard on this one, IMO.

I am trying my best, and I only hope it is good enough.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
I am surprised by your reaction, you always seem level-headed.

I am level headed, Patrick. I see what is going on for you. It is taking you down and you don't see clearly how your outlook has changed in the last two years because of the burden.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:37pm PT
hey in patricks name I sent you 10 bucks! I guess i can risk it eh?

those dogs look like they are really great dogs man - good luck
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:40pm PT
Happie, yeah, things are not great. But if you really care about people, you have to try and be positive, but the negativity can be overwhelming at times.

I try my best, and the health authorities say I am doing a great job, but I wonder.

To you, Atcha and others, I do try to keep my chin up. And I do not mean to insult anybody. I AM NOT a whinger, but sometimes things just get you down. A bloke looking for money for his dogs, when there are people who need more support (on this forum, and I am not including myself, I have a good team in place - doctors, nurses, carers) but come on, what about so and so (no names mentioned) that we communicate on this forum on a regular basis?

I guess I took the wrong tack. Stupid me.


EDIT

I know what it is like to ship a dog, I have done it. Okay, England to the US is not the same as Indonesia to the US. I love animals. The only gift I could afford Jennie this past Christmas was a Ä40 WWF for snow leopards.

I am not trying to diss this bloke looking for money for his dogs. But I would not go online looking for money. Plain and simple. But it looks like I have invoked the ire of some people. That was not my intention, but as my late mother always said, "The road to Hell is paved with the best of intentions".

I wish the guy the best of luck in getting his beloved dogs to the US. Heathrow to SF, with a stop over in Atlanta. I asked the airline people could I go see my dog (1993, pre 911) when in Atlanta, they said sure. So I went to see Ci. Can't imagine that happening nowadays.

EDIT

Some of the reactions by a couple of people to my posts, not positive. Perhaps I should just quit the forum, easier than taking the 'abuse' a couple of you have thrown at me. I'll just go cry in my beer. Oops, water, as I am not drinking anymore.

I try, but it looks like I have failed in some of your eyes. So I guess I will just go and feck myself, as Atcha suggested.

Smiles, nothing but smiles. ;-)
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 12, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
Well...hopefully you are just being facetious with the "quit the forum" thing.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Feb 12, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
Life sure is crazy

Some people chop their own firewood.

Some people pay for their firewood

Some people go cold
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 12, 2013 - 06:55pm PT
Happie, I love this forum.

But I do not need people like Atchafalaya to go tell me to go f*ck myself.

I am just trying to be honest, and for that I get abuse. Sad is me.

And I usually always agreed with his posts. I must have struck a bad chord with him.

I have a lot on my plate, as I imagine a lot of us do. I do not need the likes of Atchafalaya to berate me.

I can see why Anders/Mighty Hiker has decided to leave this forum.

I am not looking for sympathy, but I am also not looking for money to ship some dogs.

I shipped my dog to the States (1993) on my own money. Not my mom's, not the UK's, not anybody but myself. And not a climber's forum.

And I did not have a teaching job lined up in California/Arizona/or elsewhere.


EDIT

Atchafalaya sent me an email that was very nice, thanks dude. We all can get caught up in the moment.


EDIT

Atchafalaya, thank you. I need that sort of reinforcement. I am only human, as we all are. Again, thank you. It reifies my trust in the forum.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Feb 12, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
Hi Patrick


Just to clear up a few things.


He has no job lined up.

He goes about doing things different than you would

You seem to be angry at him for this

It is very basic

He is different than you

I can accept both of you and appreciate your contributions,

I never would ask for anything here except for friendship, many cool people here

I would not donate to him but I do like his style for following through his thoughts with a plan
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 12, 2013 - 07:31pm PT
Fish Finder, yeah, I may have been a bit of a knee-jerk.

It just strikes me as odd that... well, it just strikes me as odd.

I have a had a couple of emails from other Supertopians, good ones.

I need to chill out.

Yours and cheers

Patrick
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 12, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
Every little bit helps, right?

I miss you...
I miss you...
Credit: nature

chipped in a little.... cheers...
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 12, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
I saw a bit of the westminister dog show on the TV in the bar I was playing music in this evening. just about made me puke. this societys values are f*#ked up beyond all repair. All I can say is love your human as much as you love your dog and fer chist sake do something kind and charitable to as many needy humans as you do for needy dogs....
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
Not sure if it helps, but I said I would keep people posted on funds raised.

Direct to paypal: $163.45
Chip-In $25.00

I appreciate all the contributions. So does my wife Ernita.

Kuma, the white one, and Sato the brown one, appreciate it too.


Eman

Sato
Sato
Credit: Guangzhou

Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
Tradman, I agree, people should threat each other with respect and love.

Not sure how to make that happen. Just the tone people speak to each other in creates animosity.

nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 12, 2013 - 11:02pm PT
Sato looks like a fun beast to own.
Mr Roy

climber
Seattle
Feb 13, 2013 - 12:13am PT
Well I'm glad you don't work for the CIA & you posted up their names. Great names. Good luck again..times are tuff.
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 13, 2013 - 01:14am PT
Dogs are great.

Kuma is Japanese for Bear.

Sato is Indonesian for "one"

Sato can also mean Sugar in Japanese, but I'm not sure I want people to know my dogs could go by the name "Sugar Bear."
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 13, 2013 - 08:51am PT
FOr those who asked. Dog photos first.

Some of my wife too.

Kuma
Kuma
Credit: Guangzhou

Kuma as a puppy
Kuma as a puppy
Credit: Guangzhou

Playful Kuma
Playful Kuma
Credit: Guangzhou

My wife Ernita, and I. Can't remember the name of the place where this...
My wife Ernita, and I. Can't remember the name of the place where this photo was taken. Wink Wink
Credit: Guangzhou

Ernita finishing her first Yosemite route on Manure Pile Buttress.
Ernita finishing her first Yosemite route on Manure Pile Buttress.
Credit: Guangzhou
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Feb 13, 2013 - 10:01am PT
At different times, I had a cat named Anjing, and another named Kucing.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 13, 2013 - 10:13am PT
Guangzhou, apologies for adopting a harsh tone.

Sometimes the stress of being a carer gets to me.

As I have previously written, I brought my dog Ci (Welsh for dog, pronounced 'Key', in Brittany, it is Ki, Brythonic Celtic, both languages).

In Irish (Goildelic Celtic) dog is 'madra'.

Ci was from a tiny village in north Wales, 3/4 border collie, 1/4 lab. He was 10-1/2 when he died of sclerosing encapsulating peritonitis, none of the vets had seen before bar Professor Chris Bellinger at the UCD Vet School, Ci's case was the third he had seen in 35 years working as a vet in Australia (he's an Oz), the States and here in Ireland.

Very rare, even rarer in cats, but for some reason the disease affects adolescent Polynesian girls. Strange, eh?

Prof Bellinger gave me a paper from the North Carolina State University's College of Veterinary Medicine, with five case studies, four dogs, and one a cat.

Ci was lively, not showing signs of aging, and then... gone. My little pal.

As I mentioned, make sure that the dog carriers/kennels/crates are up to airline standards (check out the The International Air Transport Association - IATA - website if you have already haven't).

When I stopped over in Atlanta (Delta Airlines hub) from Heathrow to SF in 2003, they let me go down to the cargo area to see Ci, even though it was against the rules. I can't imagine post-911 of such 'clearance', so to speak.

Good luck for your dogs, wife and you.

Cheers

Patrick


EDIT

Tradmanclimbs, I sort of see your point, but animals/pets can help relieve stress. That some people think more of them than humans, well...

I hope you can work through your difficulties and medical bills. If I ever win the lottery I will help you and others to the best of my ability.

Now, I just have to find the winning numbers. ;-)
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 13, 2013 - 10:31am PT
I have to add, that when I landed in San Francisco (January 1993, did I write 2003 before? I'll check. 1993), with Ci in his kennel, the Customs/Immigration Officer let us 'fly' through. Jeez I could have been smuggling dope or contraband.
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 13, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
Thanks Patrick.

For thos who want the update:

lacosteemmanuel@yahoo.com paypal account has received $221.09 deposits for this cause. I appreciate everyone who donated.

Chip-In has reached $75.00.

That's a total of $296.09 raised. Again, appreciate all the help.

Once we are back in America and settled, all, not just those who donated, will have a guestroom to crash in where ever we are living. Hopefully near some great climbing.

Eman
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 16, 2013 - 07:16am PT
Another $72.00 raised in the last 48 hours.

Eman
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 19, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
Please let me know where you live. Might be a good state to avoid.

Eman
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 19, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
Teddy says "Hope you are coming closer to your goal. Your dogs look like the kind of dogs I like to meet. Not too big, not too small, just right!"

Credit: happiegrrrl
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Feb 19, 2013 - 09:56pm PT
Awww! Teddie is major cute.

OP: I've sworn off paypal. Dick ass operation tells me I've reached my spending limit although all my accounts are paid. They won't increase my "spending limit". Until I give them my bank info. Screw that.
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2013 - 02:45am PT
Teddy is very cute. I bet the three of them would love playing together.

Eman
Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
Feb 20, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
Wow, this is quite the thread, raging back and forth, speculation, projection, and some resolution too. A real popcorn kind of event.



There are plenty of scams out there, most of us encounter them fairly frequently. They're usually pretty clumsy, bad spelling and lousy syntax, with a waft of the ludicrous about them. Often, scams seek to prey on that human urge to get something for nothing, I mean really, how do people fall for that Nigerian scam stuff? What, you need someplace to park 15 million dollars, and I can keep some it?

This guy doesn't come off like that, regardless of your view on donating to a very specific animal welfare issue or personal financial responsibility. Maybe ya'll are all emotionally callused from screaming "get a job ya bum" at street corner panhandlers, but some of the stuff in this thread seems needlessly harsh on a guy who's big crime is asking for help.

That said, I can understand not wanting the Taco to become the internet equivalent of a prime street corner near the supermarket, but a little civility, especially with strangers, is seldom a bad policy.

I didn't notice anyone coming down on Clark Jacobs for needing some help with his medical expenses, or RLF for setting up a donation mechanism.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Mar 3, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
What's the news on Indonesian visas and getting the dogs back to America?
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 14, 2013 - 01:45am PT
@ Jan, news on Indonesia Kitas is that I am still leaving.

I posted on this thread last week, but didn't seem to show up. Guess I will post the news again.

My wife Ernita, Sato, Kuma, and I are leaving Indonesia. It's now 100% confirmed.

We previously planned on returning to the U.S.A., but both of us have been offered a teaching position in Mongolia. (Maybe that's where I posted the news, the Mongolia thread). Ernita will be teaching Pre-K and I will be teaching Middle School Math at the American International School of Ulaanbaatar. Our contract starts in August. We arrive in Mongolia August 10th.

We ended up with three job offers in three very different locations. Bali, Mongolia, and Switzerland. Each had pros and cons and we quickly narrowed our choice to Mongolia and Swiss. Even with the bitter cold winters, Mongolia won. The Swiss school was a better location, but neither my wife or I had a desire to work in a boarding school.

This means that some of you need to check you PAYPAL account for a refund on your donation. I'm guessing I have the money back in your account within a month or so.

So, I haven't skied since the late 1990s, looking forward t0 it. With such a cold winter, my wife and I will most likely learn to Ice-Climb too. Don't see any school there, so we may have to teach ourselves.

Eman

Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Apr 14, 2013 - 02:04am PT
Congratulations on the Mongolia jobs!

I'd be curious to hear how it goes.
Have thought about working there at that school in the past.

cheers
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Apr 14, 2013 - 11:03am PT
I've watched this thread from the start. Interesting. Congrats on the jobs. What happens to the dogs now?




As an aside, my daughter is trying to get a 9 month old pit bull back to Hawaii. There's no way in hell I'm giving her a nickel for this. Mostly as shes 27 and she should be able to pay her own way, but if she's stupid enough to get a dog on the mainland knowing that she needs to get it to where she lives, she should have enough money to plan on paying for it. However, for those who feel the need to get dogs into different locations for folks too stupid to think ahead (like my daughter), I can provide a paypal address so you can help her raise the $500 needed to get the mutt over there.


Oh, for a tad further info, which is always the case you don't get when folks are in need and asking for you to pay for things that are not your business: for her birthday a few days back, I offered her $200 cash or an Ipod mini. She chose the Ipod mini, and now she needs YOU to donate some money to get the mutt to Hawaii as she doesn't have any. My brother, who's done quite well by working his ass off, had payed for her flight over and back to Hawaii, so that's covered. Strangely, he won't pay for the dogs flight. "The crushing burden of modern life is taking it out of her, she needs your help"....sigh [/sarcasm]. Just don't expect her to give up regular $5.00 Starbucks coffees or her daily Jamba Juices. She's struggling financially and just doesn't have the resources to get the dog home. "Please help so that the puppy doesn't have to be put down".


Anyone into helping her here? Family isn't into it despite having a shitload of resources to do it if they chose too, and she need's some gullible suckers to step up.

Didn't think so.

Me either.


Anyway, enough about my daughter. In her case, it's all about choices, which is known by family close friends and which explains why she would need someone else, say ....gullible strangers not acquainted with her poor spending habits for example, to step up and pay the dogs way. I'm not speaking of anyone else's circumstance, just hers and her's alone. It just happened that this thread got bumped as this drama is unfolding here in my home. I'm sure that's not the case for these 2 dogs of emans. Again, good luck with the doges Eman.






2-8-13
"Well, looks like I've become one of the beggars.

After several years of living in Indonesia, teaching here, opening a business that employs locals, and being married to an Indonesian, the government is complicating the process for me to stay even more. Kitas, Indonesia Work Visa, are almost impossible for me to get this year, and spouses of Indonesians aren't allowed to work.

The climbing gym is only two years old, so doesn't provide a positive cash flow yet.

With all this in mind, over the last couple months, Ernita and I have discussed the possibility of moving to America where I can teach Middle School Again. Arizona and Washington D.C. both have jobs for me. (I prefer Arizona because I can pick some places near climbing) I would love Northern California but still working some issues there.

Anyways, I've started a Chip-in to help me relocated the two dogs. They are family, we have no kids. (Sensitive issue) We've considered giving them up for adoption, but locals raise their dogs in cages, so the idea isn't appealing.

If we raise enough money, or raise more than we need, we plan on giving all the extra to a local Animal Welfare Society. They operate a no kill shelter.

Hope to get some help, but I also know times are tight for everyone.

Link to blog with donation widget.

Cheers,
Eman"

"For now, I need to raise some funds to bring Kuma and Sato with us."

4-13-13
"@ Jan, news on Indonesia Kitas is that I am still leaving.

I posted on this thread last week, but didn't seem to show up. Guess I will post the news again.

My wife Ernita, Sato, Kuma, and I are leaving Indonesia. It's now 100% confirmed.

We previously planned on returning to the U.S.A., but both of us have been offered a teaching position in Mongolia. (Maybe that's where I posted the news, the Mongolia thread). Ernita will be teaching Pre-K and I will be teaching Middle School Math at the American International School of Ulaanbaatar. Our contract starts in August. We arrive in Mongolia August 10th.

We ended up with three job offers in three very different locations. Bali, Mongolia, and Switzerland. Each had pros and cons and we quickly narrowed our choice to Mongolia and Swiss. Even with the bitter cold winters, Mongolia won. The Swiss school was a better location, but neither my wife or I had a desire to work in a boarding school.

This means that some of you need to check you PAYPAL account for a refund on your donation. I'm guessing I have the money back in your account within a month or so.

So, I haven't skied since the late 1990s, looking forward t0 it. With such a cold winter, my wife and I will most likely learn to Ice-Climb too. Don't see any school there, so we may have to teach ourselves.

Eman "


Mr Roy

climber
Seattle
Apr 14, 2013 - 11:11am PT
I knew it. Bali, Mongolia, and Switzerland. Three CIA hot spots.

Good luck, Chow
Mr Roy

climber
Seattle
Apr 14, 2013 - 11:35am PT
Dividing up Mongolia's mining riches from Oyu Tolgoi

Mongolia has for centuries been characterised as a nation of nomads and cattle herders, but this is all changing thanks to a huge new copper and gold mine.

The mine is Oyu Tolgoi, which is Mongolian for Turquoise Hill, and it is already beginning to transform the economy of this sparsely-populated central Asian nation, sending it towards the top of international growth tables.

But this year, there has been disagreement over the details of the contract between Rio Tinto and the Mongolian government. Ulaan Baatar wants Rio Tinto to explain why it has over-spent on the project by more than $2bn (£1.3bn).



The Anglo-American mining giant Rio Tinto has spent $6.2bn so far on developing the site, which lies in the Gobi more than 300 miles south of Mongolia's capital Ulaan Baatar.



But Mongolia is concerned it will not receive royalties any time soon because development costs have increased. Under the terms of its deal, Ulaan Baatar won't get a share of the profits until Rio has recovered its investment.

Referring to the current dispute with Rio, President Tsakhiagiin Elbegdorj says that firms mining in Mongolia have a great impact on the country.

"We would like to see that footprint bring development to Mongolian society - not scar it."

"The world has changed, change has to come to mining business. Our people are more informed, more educated and because of that are asking more questions."

Rio Tinto's Colin McRae insists his firm wants to deal fairly with Mongolia's government, but that politicians should let the miners get on with their business.


Politicians should let miners get on with their business, says Cameron McRae


Yet it is not just Western mining firms that come in for criticism. Much of the mine's output will be taken by road over the border to China, leading some to fear that it will be Mongolia's huge southern neighbour that will ultimately benefit from the mine.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21850604


Yep..
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Apr 15, 2013 - 01:10am PT
Congratulations on the new jobs in an interesting place!
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 15, 2013 - 06:24am PT
To the person who asked above, dogs will be joining us. We get a shipping and relocation allowance.

I'll make sure to write up some trip reports when I get there.

We're both excited, but I need to get rid of my tevas and by some 20 below sorels. (Any advice on cold weather shoes welcomed)
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Apr 15, 2013 - 06:41am PT
Don't know if you fish or boat, but this place is on my list...

http://www.drakemag.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=247:the-river-time-forgot&catid=46&Itemid=187
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 15, 2013 - 06:50am PT
Does America or mongolia really need more dogs? does California really need annother pit bull?
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 15, 2013 - 11:46pm PT
Pit-Bull??

More dogs, if they are well taken care of and not less on the streets, no issue.

Emmanuel
MisterE

Social climber
Apr 16, 2013 - 12:04am PT
OK, after much consideration I decided to help you bring your drugs to America. How does this work? I gotta swallow a few baggies with olive oil?

I usually don't do this...
Mr Roy

climber
Seattle
Apr 17, 2013 - 03:55am PT
ďMining is capital and equipment intensive but it canít create all the jobs needed,Ē Jim Dwyer, executive director of the Business Council of Mongolia, said by telephone today. ďJobs are vital here. A lot of jobs need to be opened up for people.Ē The council is Mongoliaís biggest business group, with members including Rio Tinto Group, General Electric Co. and Peabody Energy Corp. (BTU)
The domination of the mining industry is highlighted by Rio Tintoís $6.6 billion Oyu Tolgoi copper and gold mine, which is expected to account for one third of gross domestic product by 2020, according to estimates by the unit that oversees the projectís operations. Mining already accounts for 90 percent of Mongoliaís exports.
Shipments of coal, Mongoliaís biggest export, totaled $1.9 billion in 2012, compared with $27.9 million of textile, according to the statistics office. Raw cashmere exports were $145.4 million, most of which went to China.
Creating Jobs
Mongoliaís government estimates the cashmere and clothing initiative will help create 80 factories that could employ as many as 30,000 workers. The loans for the dairy industry will be used to set up 15 milk farms, four large processing plants and 86 smaller facilities, according to the statement.
The Oyu Tolgoi mine employed 11,151 Mongolians as of Jan. 31, according to its website.
ďAll these non-mining efforts are fairly embryonic, cashmere being in the lead,Ē said Dwyer. ďItís important to keep the seed planted and nourish these other logical and diversified business segments. It might be a small step, but in the right direction.Ē

Guangzhou...... Oh my poor doggies
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:21am PT
@ the OP. Well, I'm happy to hear you got a job offer. So what happens with the dogs now? Easier/cheaper to get them into Mongolia??

@Couchmaster..

Er.. Your daughter does know about the 6 month quarantine on all animals entering Hawaii doesn't she? Her pooch will be locked up in a facility on Oahu for half a year. If she's not moving to that particular island, she will have to pay someone to look in on her dog, walk it, bathe it etc... (all they do is feed and clean the cage)so she's looking at way more than $500 when you add in travel and care costs.. not to mention the 6 months of confinement for the poor animal who's probably not going to enjoy it one bit. Kinda selfish not to just find the dog a new home IMHO.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Apr 18, 2013 - 09:15am PT
Oh yes Maid, that's why she needs all of you folks to pay for it. Actually, I just put her on the plane. She's off to Hawaii.
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 27, 2013 - 12:36am PT
@Roy I agree, the world is full of problems and mine pale in comparison. Thanks for pointing some out, from the comfort of your home.
What are you personally doing to make the situation better besides commenting about it? Unlike some countries with much worse problems, Mongolia is a little bit lucky to have some resources they can use to stimulate their economy. Actually, it's a great place to invest these days, or so I'm told.

Yes, my dogs are going to Mongolia. Yes, my dogs are a luxury. So is climbing. I certainly agree this is a first world problem, of course, I come from a first world country.

Moving them to Mongolia is a bit cheaper, but it's also helpful that I get a moving/relocation allowance to help with moving expenses. Mongolia wasn't the top of my list when I started the job search.

On the bigger economic picture, I have no advice and even fewer solutions to the problems people face. I've lived in several countries now, and visited quite a few more that have problems. I'm not aware of all issues, but I'm not blind to many of them. How many of us enjoy a fresh glass of drinking water from our tap without ever thinking about those who have almost no access water. How many of us spend more on lunch than most people live on for a month?

Like most people, I've done very little in the big picture to help out. Raised funds and helped built a electric windmill for local Indonesian village two years ago. (same village I bolted routes in) A year later, we donated some old computers to their schools. Built two houses with Habitat for Humanities, spent six months in the middle of Haiti as a volunteer mentor teacher. Most of my contributions are selfish, I do know this. My skills and time are limited, my finances even more so. I do a little here and there, but I also do what I can to live a happy life.

I've met people who have dedicated their life to helping others. Most of them do more in a year than I do in a life time. I recently met a doctor couple who have been living on donation in Papua for almost a decade now. they do more in a week than I will do in a lifetime.

Yes, I know, everyone should do more. Of course, when people start with I wish I could.... I always ask what's stopping them. Anwsers always seems like a excuse to me.

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