Why I've quit participating on S-T. Probably others, too.


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Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
More than worthy of RESPECT which has been the scarce commodity lately.

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:24pm PT

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
More than worthy of RESPECT which has been the scarce commodity lately.

Yep. Yep. Yep...

Can't wait to rope up with you Rodger....hopefully this spring...

Climb high, fly higher!

Love ya,

Susan and Michael (Feretlegger)
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
Sometimes existence may suck.

You just got to suck it up and truck.

Don't break it down, don't even frown.

Shine a light.

Be zBrown, THE most enlightening crypto in this business of climbing, talking about climbing, and talking about talking about climbing.

And it's gonna be the death of me...-Sole Survivor

What would Bruce throw out there?

Lenny? Did you exist? Did you break down?

Rodger was liking Lenny before half you readers were born.

Let him get it out and just go with his flow.

He understands more about climbing than most of us will ever know or think we know.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
A little respect and self-restraint goes a long way on this forum.

I totally agree but it sure would be nice to see more.
Big Mike

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
Hey Rodger

This is why Dave Jones named it "Over Forty"

Because if you whip at the third bolt, you're going at least forty!!!!!!! Sporty!! ;) spicy is more like it..

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
Credit: survival

Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:49pm PT
The Taco is a reflection of the scene in Yosemite Valley, which can be more harsh and rude than any in the country. On one level this is understandable because there are so many people there and it's easy to become jaded. But there is also just a culture of unfriendly competition in California climbing. Don't know why this is, but it's unfortunate.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
I spent a lot of time in the Valley in the past, and maybe I wasn't one of the "in crowd", but I don't ever remember the type of aggressive slander, name calling, and rudeness that goes on here now.
Maybe it's just me but I find I'm always finding exceptional friendliness when I've been there currently. I think you find what you look for.

Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
Feb 2, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
I don't know Mark. I'll give you some examples: rope theft, bolt chopping, tire slashing, fist fights, slander, challenging people to free soloing.

Another anecdote from a good friend who topped out his first wall, the Prow. He and his partner had run out of water and ran into a team who had just blasted Astroman. These guys had extra water, so my buddy asks if they could spare just a bit for the descent. The guys scowled at them and said, "You should have planned better."

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 2, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
Ron, my gf climbs in those same shoes.
Jim Clipper

from: forests to tree farms
Feb 2, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
Why I quit posting trip reports:

Credit: Jim Clipper

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 2, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
I've always wondered about men who say "you are the man." Reminds me of when my gf tells me "you are the bitch."

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
It still is,Q
I still climb, and have been for the last 47 years.
And I'm pretty sure almost all the posters here,still,
get on the rock every once in a while.
Some more than others, I grant.

After 20 years away from climbing, I've spent the last two weekends flailing and failing in JT. It is the most alive I have felt in ages.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Feb 2, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
Rankin, yes, there are those who are dicks and as#@&%es in every crowd but the vast majority of climbers in Yosemite never experience the issues you mention. Again, you find what you look for.

philadelphia, pa
Feb 2, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
Don't really care enough to read several pages of whatever, but let me say this, Brokedownclimber: I can't disagree more.

In fact, as a mostly-lurker (for far longer than you) I'm posting now more than ever. ST is what you make of it, and frankly it's turned into my go-to place to ask advice on most any topic as chances are there's someone here that's got experience with most anything you can come up with. Case in point, I recently ran into hydraulic problems with a 1950's backhoe and all sorts of lurkers I'd never heard of popped up to help.

Sure, climbing topics will lead to your self-appointed-know-it-alls coming out of the woodwork, but frankly pretty much every climbing topic has been beaten to death here and the natives get tired of rehashing things over an over again. Frankly, unless it's a TR or a question about a specific technique I'm not sure there's anything you could ask here that couldn't be answered with a quick Search.

Other thought is IMO calling T*R out like that was bad form. Good or bad, she's got a lot of history here, and I seem to recall her being around prior to 2007 under a different name. Which, if my math adds up, is a lot more time on ST than you have. Like her or not, she's your senior here and I'm not sure you're one to judge.

Just my 2pfennig.

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Feb 2, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
Like I said before, just read Herr Braun posts. Pure enlightenment.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Feb 2, 2013 - 04:10pm PT
adatesman I'm glad you found a home here. This jail is way better'n that other'n. And this bloke won't steal your work (like them other'uns)


philadelphia, pa
Feb 2, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
Ancient history, Dingus. Ancient history. :-)
Nor Cal

Trad climber
San Mateo
Feb 2, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
recently? ha, this forum went down hill years ago. I used to post under my name until I got in a beef with someone from So Cal, so now I am Nor Cal (nothing to do with surfing).
I come by and lurk once in a while, but not too often. I posted last summer with the thought that I could get some slings back that my partner left in Tuolumne and I was abused. I recall that Locker had some nice things to say to me about leaving the slings behind! After all I am just a weekend warrior and not a hard man like he is!
I will post again, but it will be selective.
For what it is worth (and that is not much to the crowd) I started posting here over a dozen years ago.
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