Why I've quit participating on S-T. Probably others, too.


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Somewhere out there
Feb 2, 2013 - 12:43am PT
But recently, the whole atmosphere has changed to one of extreme negativity towards others. ...since too many self appointed know-it-alls immediately begin piling on if the view expressed doesn't fit the going norm. The responses rapidly degrade to personal attacks on intelligence, perceptions, and degradation of individuals.

 please site some examples.

There is another option… Don't take anything written on a screen personal.

What's that old line about best intention not going unpunished?

Honest, I'd not like this place as much if it was soft and cuddly like a pillow, but then again I'd never expect it to be… its a climbers forum and climbers ain't too soft and fluffy… with a couple of exceptions… you know who you are.

The business of t*r doing a nuke-bomb of ChrisMac's website struck me as the epitome of immature and self-righteous zealotry.

 sure, it may have been. and certainly one sure fire way of voicing an opinion/slowing discussion of boobs. The unelected moderator had her say on a single thread… and got shown the door. It is what it is.

ChrisMac has spent his time and his money providing us with a great forum.

 Are you sure about this? I bet (totally guessing here) that CMac spends little to operate this website and would go so far as to say he get's paid more through running the site than he pays out month after month… but I could totally be wrong, but I'd have to see proof to believe otherwise.

I don't know t*r, but in an infantile hissy-fit, she crossed the line in the sand from expressing her views to a form of destructive vandalism. A friend remarked to me in a PM that t*r was in her early 30's, going on 14. And was also described as a "drama queen," which all I can say is...if the shoe fits, she'd better get it on.

Didn't the OP start out by saying "The responses rapidly degrade to personal attacks on intelligence, perceptions, and degradation of individuals."….

Pot… meet kettle?

It's only human to occasionally get tide up in ones on mind and feel that the world owes one an apology of some sort. And sitting in the armchair on monday we can all point fingers and say how it could have been done better.

But then again…. nobody's that human.

Cheers, hope you get back to posting again some time.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Feb 2, 2013 - 12:49am PT
Just one thing Brokedown, we all know that some of the stuff here can occasionally be not that great. But if people that love the outdoors and have actual rock, mountain, ice, water, wilderness experience and great stories.....well if they leave this forum, so many out there will be the poorer for it. Poorer just because a few f'ddd the place up. Don't let the negative out weigh the positive. Just a thought.

Peace and Joy to you BDC, lynnie

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2013 - 12:57am PT

I'm breaking my "vow of silence" again to answer; I simply said I was going to STFU for a while and boycott certain threads and responses. I'm lurking, but will continue to speak out IF IT MIGHT DO SOME GOOD! Gawd! It must be the Winter doldrums taking over.


And by the way re: kettle/black. You may read more carefully about most of what I said was quoting another unnamed member.


Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:05am PT
It's a great place to get yer spelling and grammar checked!

That should be "its" and "grate".


Credit: Ihateplastic

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:53am PT
"It's a great place to get yer spelling and grammar checked!"

I wish you people would step up and check mine. I commit bad English here all the time, and only rarely does someone ever call me on it.


If you're going to back away from the Taco for a bit, winter is the time to do it. A number of the people posting here have real fragile minds, and they tend to lose all self control after being cooped up indoors for longer than they like. ( or at least that's the excuse they will use to justify their loss of self control )

It's only a small percentage of the folks on here who surrender their self control, but it can sometimes represent enough of a critical mass to make visiting here more of an irritation than entertainment. Winter seems to always be that time, year after year.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 2, 2013 - 02:28am PT
I met BDC at Facelift, had cow with him and the rest of the herd. Bunch of mavericks, listen to them rant! The pack mentality. Bastards. I love you guys, like in Wayne's World, so there, pussies. AT LEAST BDC HAS A PAIR AND IS COURTEOUS ENOUGH TO TELL US WHY HE'S LEAVING, RATHER THAN PULL OUT WITH A NUKED THREAD BEHIND HIM, fer cryin' out loud.

So chill the f*#k out and go back to wanking if you got nothing positive to say, I say.

We all seem to get along well enough at the YP campground. Little upset the folk and we had a great time, and Roger contributed in a very large way...


I do care you are not going to post, BDC, but you are free, a climber, and twenty-one. Good lurking, hope to see you in the Fall...

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Feb 2, 2013 - 02:30am PT
I think I will read only Herr Braun's posts.

He is my Guru.

What one can trandescend through omnipotent shell not be burned by a stupid scientist, because it is eternal.
tinker b

the commonwealth
Feb 2, 2013 - 08:44am PT
speaking of spelling... rodger spells his name with a d. not roger.

from out where the anecdotes roam
Feb 2, 2013 - 08:46am PT
never know what you'll find

Credit: hooblie

when you just keep digging

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 2, 2013 - 09:26am PT
PAGING -Brokedownclimber - Rodger - and because i know you are lurking Mr Raubach Sir.
Do what you feel you must but remember that the TacoStand is a lot like the weather in Colorado,

if you don't like it wait ten minutes.

It is just a CLIMBER'S forum.
We agree, we disagree,
we laugh, we cry,
We pull together, we push apart.

It is just a CLIMBER'S forum.
Full of everything,
from poignant to irrelevant,
from fluff to froth.

It is just a CLIMBER'S forum.
Where we can express commonality and diversity.
It is our very own island for misfit toys.
And it's better with you with us.

Don't ignore the wheat for the chaff,
the roses for the thorns,
or the beauty for the beast.

It is just a CLIMBER'S forum.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Feb 2, 2013 - 09:53am PT
Hey brokedown...

Always liked you mate. That's all I got to say, cept this....


Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2013 - 10:17am PT

You Sir, of all people know that I won't leave permenantly! I'm more or less "biting my toungue" to refrain from attacking some stupidity when it's preceived.

What bothers me most is there are some others here who seem to lose control and exhibit "Schadenfreude" or taking joy in the miseries of others on polititard threads, Boob threads, but seldom if ever on climbing threads. My New Year Resolution was avoiding any polititard, and other crap threads for the year. The t*r incident was sort of the break point for me, not so much for her sometimes inane posts, but for actions taken. Sort of just mentally throwing my arms in the air and asking "why, Lord, why?"

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 2, 2013 - 11:31am PT
Brokedown....Man i hear you on the negative female energy exuded by that t r woman...Alls i wanted was a few nudie shots with my beer and i find nuclear explosions , violence, and mental abuse instead of nurturing breast photos.....I feel violated , traumatized , and hurt with no where to turn....Daddy loves blue velvet...!
Big Mike

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2013 - 11:52am PT
Sorry to hear you feel that way bd. For me this place is like a microcosm of the real world. I choose what I like and try not to get caught up in the rest. It's been difficult lately to achieve the last part lately though so I understand how you feel.

Would a picture cheer you up?

Kyle on Over Forty 11a

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Feb 2, 2013 - 11:54am PT
Damn, this place really needs an enema.

Enough with the existential angst already!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 2, 2013 - 11:56am PT
Rodger, sorry to have misspelled your name. It should be a formal apology. Here's this, instead.

Lurk and rock on, brother.

Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Feb 2, 2013 - 11:56am PT
Go here:


Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
Big Mike-

Climbing pictures ALWAYS cheer me up! That's what this Forum is about!
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
Stay tuned Rodger.

This site has been pronounced dead a dozen times since I started posting here.

I have been too busy of late to post and bump the kind of content that keeps you guys engaged and I feel disappointed when good folks lose interest in being here.

A little respect and self-restraint goes a long way on this forum.

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
Some of you that did the smakdown on Rodger:

Did you know that Brokedown is a pioneer dating back to the Kor/Ament Heyday in Colorado?

He's not a donald, or rokjox or LEB in other words.
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