Why I've quit participating on S-T. Probably others, too.


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Feb 4, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
It's this PC Bullschitt that has dissillusioned me

Rodger, I got too much of that in my academic environment. Want to talk about affirmative action (concept vs practice)? ;>(

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
The word honor is probably the second most cheapened word in America....just behind patriotisim.

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:54pm PT
Supertopo is just as bad and just as good as it always was.

If you are looking for mud to wallow in, there is plenty, just like always. If you are looking for smart and intelligent posts, there are plenty. If you are looking for climbing stuff there is plenty of that also.

If Supertopo is a negative experience for you, you are reading the wrong threads.

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:04am PT
I think it is quite stretch to make claims about a person's honor based solely on what they post in a recreational internet forum.

Kinda cheapens the meaning of the word "honor."

If a person only has honor on special occasions and it doesn't extend to recreation, then what kind of honor is that? Situational honor in my books is no honor at all.
John M

Feb 5, 2013 - 12:15am PT
It's this PC Bullschitt that has dissillusioned me with this forum.

I guess I'm cornfused. I thought PC bullschitt was when you didn't like people being too Politically correct. That they should speak their mind and not hold back. That seems to happen a lot on this forum. Its just that peoples minds are a bit in the gutter. So could you clarify for me. What is it that you don't like?

I thought you were leaving because of the rancor and disrespectful behavior.

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:21am PT
I never said this place wasn't worth one's time, but I do think you can get a pretty good idea of people by reading numerous comments of theirs. If they're not the vitriolic people they pretend to be on ST, then that also shows you something about their character and a lack of consistency if nothing else. To me to be honorable, a person should at least strive to be consistently honorable. We all fail from time to time.
The Warbler

the edge of America
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:27am PT

Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:30am PT
I'm afraid ST will continue to have an untamed, uncultivated element. It's impossible to prohibit individuals from posting on the internet drunk.

This is good.

The Warbler

the edge of America
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:15am PT

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:32am PT
Apparently from the level of obnoxious vitriol directed toward him and others, there are some who have no sense of humor and take pleasure in that fact.


Trad climber
Casper the Friendly Ghost Town!
Feb 5, 2013 - 02:08am PT
Logged on in 2006...Supertopo was a great distraction and procrastination from my then monotonous job...then I got fired from a new job in 2007 due to my procrastinating skills I honed in on here!!! Knew then I had a problem with the internet, Supertopo and other nefarious sites!!! LOL, but I kept on logging on Supertopo until 2010-ish?? Then I did the math. I looked up all my total posts (1,588), figured it took me approx. 2-5 minutes per post, and that's being conservative...it wasn't pretty.

I did the same thing for LEB and other high volume posters who shall remain nameless...LEB had posted the equivalent of 105 days (24/7)!!! Freakin' nuts! Life is too short to spend in the electronic void!

Anyways, decided that I should really focus on family, my daughter and wife, and haven't regretted a minute of it! Cheers.

Btw, Good job Broken Down Climber...I'll keep an eye out for ya at Fremont Cyn.!!!

Feb 5, 2013 - 02:37am PT
Hey Jan -

Here's something your Brokedownfriend said on the Gay Boy Scouts thread, full quote:

So...Climbski2...are YOU a parent? The business of being PC pales into insignificance to parents. I'm hopeful that someday a grandson of mine will become a Scout, and I really wouldn't appreciate a sexual predator as a Scoutmaster. This is really an issue involving parents, and not the general public as a whole. So..if you and your butthole buddy want to bugger one another, have at. I really don't givva schitt.

There are at least three statements there, explicit or implicit, with which I wholeheartedly disagree. I bet you can identify at least two. Sitting around without voicing a modicum of displeasure doesn't sit with me.

My contributions to these forums are primarily visual. I've never seen anybody respond to a thread "needs more words!"

When I post a random photo, I do so as a fellow lover of mountains. If you love mountains - err, choss heaps - this picture is for you:

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I don't care if you are:

If anyone disparages any of my fellow lovers of choss, you also disparage me.

Yer gonna die.
Fish Finder

Social climber
Feb 5, 2013 - 02:48am PT

Well I huffed and I puffed but I still couldnt control a damn thing,

except myself.

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 5, 2013 - 05:19am PT
For the record, I do not share brokedown's conservative values. We do have very civilized disagreements however.

And I'm sure that not every gay is predatory. It also seems pretty clear from the Catholic Church example that hidden gays in positions of authority are more likely to abuse their power than those out of the closet. I'm also pretty sure there already are gay scout masters, they're just not recognized as such. I therefore think the sooner all gays are out and equal the better.

Of course as a woman who has traveled around the world alone several times over, I could tell you all a thing or two about predatory heterosexual males. And I've had run ins with those a lot more frequently than with lesbians. LOL

The fact is nobody's children are safe in any venue in North America anymore. Kids get kidnapped off of school busses and taken to underground bomb shelters by total strangers, they get kidnapped and held as sex slaves in some pervert's basement or back yard, they get gunned down in their classrooms, and so far as I know those have all been done by heterosexual males.

As far as brokedown resorting to name calling, but that's his responsibilty not mine.

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Feb 5, 2013 - 07:16am PT
And I'm sure that not every gay is predatory.

Wow, that's rather faintly stated, isn't it.

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 5, 2013 - 07:43am PT
The assumption behind the opposition to gay scout leaders is 1) irrational bias often based on religion 2) a somewhat understandable bias given what's happened in the Catholic Church.

I will state again, the problem in the Catholic church was hidden gay pedophiles whom everyone trusted and the persistent attempt over many years to cover it all up. If gays are out in the open, those conditions are eliminated and the same standards apply to them as anyone else. In time hopefully, people will understand the difference between gay which is a biological condition of birth and gay pedophiles which is a lifestyle choice based on stunted psychological development.

Pedophiles can not be eliminated but our children can be educated to report them where ever encountered and not to believe that any authority is above such reporting or that such encounters are ever the child's fault.

Hopefully that's clear enough?

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 5, 2013 - 10:22am PT
Brokedown...I hear what you are saying about the PC drift but it's all good and part of the mudslingin....Maybe someone will post some Andrew Dice poetry and balance out the Kumbaya factor...? RJ

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Feb 5, 2013 - 10:36am PT
The word honor is probably the second most cheapened word in America....just behind patriotisim.

Jim I agree, but I would add "Hero" to the beginning of that list.

I thought you were going to go climbing more.....
Fish Finder

Social climber
Feb 5, 2013 - 10:41am PT
I think " amazing " is the most cheapened word.

You are amazing,

This thread is amazing

Supertopo is amazing

Boobs are amazing

People leaving and stating so or making a huff is amazing

We are all amazing

What an amazing day.


Edit: now parting the red sea, that was amazing.
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv that is funny Ron!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Yeah, but it was only a traverse.
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