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Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 1, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
I'm going to make this a very brief post, and then I'll return to lurking.

I've been hanging out at SuperTopo for over 3 years now, and I've enjoyed most of the experience in addition to making a bunch of new friends and finding some GREAT climbing partners. It's also enabled me to reconnect with many old friends with whom I'd lost touch.

But recently, the whole atmosphere has changed to one of extreme negativity towards others. That I don't like at all! What it means ... it's no longer fun to post here, since too many self appointed know-it-alls immediately begin piling on if the view expressed doesn't fit the going norm. The responses rapidly degrade to personal attacks on intelligence, perceptions, and degradation of individuals.

The business of t*r doing a nuke-bomb of ChrisMac's website struck me as the epitome of immature and self-righteous zealotry. ChrisMac has spent his time and his money providing us with a great forum. I don't know t*r, but in an infantile hissy-fit, she crossed the line in the sand from expressing her views to a form of destructive vandalism. A friend remarked to me in a PM that t*r was in her early 30's, going on 14. And was also described as a "drama queen," which all I can say is...if the shoe fits, she'd better get it on.

So I'm now going to sit back and watch the fur fly! Hee, hee!
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Feb 1, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
Zzzzzzzzzzzzžźż…
Roxy

Trad climber
CA Central Coast
Feb 1, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
Lurking is way GNAR!
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 1, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
That wasn't brief.

Curt
Norwegian

Trad climber
Pollock Pines, California
Feb 1, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
why do youst need
to announce to us
that us that you've
quit participating within our concourse?

your gesture seems shallow.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Feb 1, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
It's a great place to get yer spelling and grammar checked!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 1, 2013 - 09:44pm PT
don't be such a kent
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 1, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
I didn't even read your post... But good! The people that don't like it here for whatever reason should leave. No need to throw yourself a going away party. It has obviously turned into a go away party which should be expected.
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Feb 1, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
I agree, I used to look at supertopo as an avenue to connect with climbers or alpinists. It is now a place where out of touch folks tell you you are stupid/dumb...etc.... for trying to say hi or interact and share knowledge.

Where have the big names that used to post gone? They don't post here anymore, and you can't blame it on me.

It is sad, obituaries are what lead me (and keep me) to this sight not climbing knowledge/info.

As Bob Skinner (Todd's dad) told me, "there are no strangers in the mountains, just friends you haven't met".

-Hugh
Norwegian

Trad climber
Pollock Pines, California
Feb 1, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
ahh bullshite,
if you fools of narrow interpretation
cannot appreciate
the discourse
centered around your fellow dirtbags
bathing,
then you have lost touch
with the commun onderlieing
theme that unites
all of us mountain zealots:

absurdity.

go wipe each other's
asses with spitshined d#@&%e rags.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
The business of t*r doing a nuke-bomb of ChrisMac's website struck me as the epitome of immature and self-righteous zealotry. ChrisMac has spent his time and his money providing us with a great forum. I don't know t*r, but in an infantile hissy-fit, she crossed the line in the sand from expressing her views to a form of destructive vandalism.

didn't Chris Mac, at the same time, take down the Boob thread? which I assume (I was out climbing) was the object of the nukeing?

I don't know about self-righteousness and zealotry, but those words certainly don't suggest that we're trying to work out what the domain of appropriate behavior is... and I don't mean that in a suppressive manner, rather, when many people of different backgrounds get together there is sure to be misunderstandings of what is appropriate, and it gets worked out.

If we insist on having absolute freedom and liberty to post what we wish, then maybe we should consider creating our own web site to do it on. As far as I know, this web site is "owned" by SuperTopo, and the owner can decide what is appropriate and what is not.

Destructive vandalism, a.k.a. nukeing, on the STForum site didn't start with t*r, but I believe originated by members in good standing with this community. Why should t*r be singled out as a special case?

When I read what you wrote, BDC, it seems that you feel that t*r was on the "out" with the prevailing STForum "norm."

Time to take a deep breath and consider just why we post here.

Hopefully not just to look at boobs.

I haven't met t*r in person, I have corresponded, in the past, with her via email. I wouldn't presume to have an opinion as to whether or not she is a "drama queen" any more than other posters to the Forum.
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
It is only your guys loss that great climbers are not reading/posting on this site. I am confused why you don't want Jello, etc posting anymore. (This used to be a climbers forum).
Norwegian

Trad climber
Pollock Pines, California
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:13pm PT
you don't have a clue as to
why robinson and lowe don't post here anymore.

to claim that you do
illuminates your ignorance.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
Really, it's not a brain trust out there.

or in here

heh
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
Harding quit posting here because of all the self aggrandizing.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
" (This used to be a climbers forum)."


It still is,Q
I still climb, and have been for the last 47 years.
And I'm pretty sure almost all the posters here,still,
get on the rock every once in a while.
Some more than others, I grant.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
t*r doing a nuke-bomb of ChrisMac's website struck me as the epitome of immature and self-righteous zealotry.

you obviously need to get out more.

Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
Hey Scandinavian- I may not know the full story on certain folks, but supertopo became a place to not share knowledge!

Supertopo used to be a fun place to interact, don't blame me for the lack of participation. I hope to share but i get railroaded for proposing an idea! Why did mentioning folks leaving hit a nerve?
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:25pm PT

Rodger, don't stay away too long. Your contributions are always
valuable.

What Ed said is pretty spot on too. It seems like there's a need
for some maturity around here at times. . .
Norwegian

Trad climber
Pollock Pines, California
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
hey man
the wind blows thru here
and it leaves all kinda
tracks in the sand.

there is no explanation,
only mystery.
Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:28pm PT
The key to supertopo success is to only go to posts that interest you;...don't take anything too seriously, and remember that the internet is not even real........I like supertopo.....but I only open only a handful of posts.......It's like a buffet;....only eat the food you like......Your years old climbing and insight is valuable here, Roger......lurk on, but throw a snowball when need be...
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
Brokedownclimber, I always appreciate what you post. Don't go too far away. Just try to ignore all that grandstanding. There's been way too much time given to a few people trying to suck all the attention they can.

Back to our regular programming.....
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
right on Todd!

It's not that serious ; /
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:32pm PT



Wheres the beef?



Thanks Roger!
Norwegian

Trad climber
Pollock Pines, California
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
maturity?
we're a lot,
comprised of fringe!

immaturity is our grace.
coin in our empty pockets.

how dare this aspect
of our culture be challenged!

bridwell. porter. shipley.
pratt.

i could go on and on,
naming our icons whom
led lives decorated with misunderstanding,
as defined by popular culture...

ed.
ed.
your intelligence is astounding.
your i.q. thru the skylight.

your analytics as applied
to our's collective misunderstanding
is magnificent.

ed's maturity is enough.
the wrest of us garlic sticks
should jest carry on without
regard for mamma's manners.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
I'm simply going to continue pursuing my Quixotic quest to transform Wayne County into the next Bishop. Prana is gonna sponsor the new website, and Mungeclimber is gonna conduct clinics on how to survive the tribulations of Choss. When they turn out the lights at Supertopo, by God I'm gonna make the last post!
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
I'll be here to Banter with you if you decide to make an appearance
in the future.

Anyway the good climbing season is soon approaching soon
so go out and have a lot of FUN on the Rock!

BTW,do you need a tenderfoot ranchhand on your ranch?


:)
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
Yes! I will quote Todd's thoughts, which mirror my own.

The key to supertopo success is to only go to posts that interest you;...don't take anything too seriously, and remember that the internet is not even real........I like supertopo.....but I only open only a handful of posts.......It's like a buffet;....only eat the food you like......Your years old climbing and insight is valuable here, Roger......lurk on, but throw a snowball when need be...


I do agree that ST seems a little ------crappy? chaotic? High-School? at times----but then a great story or adventure is posted.

I make some more popcorn and hang on.

popcorn is the solution.
popcorn is the solution.
Credit: Fritz
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:40pm PT

do folks need to STFU


or HTFU?



(Soften The Fuk Up)
klk

Trad climber
cali
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:42pm PT
Wayne County ... the next Bishop.

please let it happen
SicMic

climber
two miles from Eldorado
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
While I may post, you don't have to read it.

Trad climbing meets sport climbing.
Trad climbing meets sport climbing.
Credit: SicMic
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
Worth reposting.
+10 for Norwegian!

maturity?
we're a lot,
comprised of fringe!

immaturity is our grace.
coin in our empty pockets.

how dare this aspect
of our culture be challenged!

bridwell. porter. shipley.
pratt.

i could go on and on,
naming our icons whom
led lives decorated with misunderstanding,
as defined by popular culture...

ed.
ed.
your intelligence is astounding.
your i.q. thru the skylight.

your analytics as applied
to our's collective misunderstanding
is magnificent.

ed's maturity is enough.
the wrest of us garlic sticks
should jest carry on without
regard for mamma's manners.



bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
HA! Q-ball has contributed a total of 217 posts and a bunch of photos of fish! This is a HUGE loss.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, n00b. They're leavin' the light on for you over at rocklimbing.com. Berg Heil!
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
Why are you jumping on a fellow climber? Simple Question! I have never tried to run other climbers down. Take care, Hugh
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
I like you Brokendown, you have a few good points except... Well, immaturity sometimes visits even the most mature and intelligent folks at times. I can't hold those moments against the majority.

Life is weird. As for TR specifically... Well, experience helps folks mature. In many ways she need the input, the experience "to grow" and this site might be helping her find those building blocks.

Like I said, life is weird.



bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
Take a chill pill Jack this is supposed to be fun. Interwebz Chossalicious!!!!11!1
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
Cosgrove,


HAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! !

That was funny.
klaus

Big Wall climber
Pacif*#ka Muthaf*#ka
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
t*r is banned?

did I miss something?

I guess I've been spending too much time in the real wold

good riddance, she was annoying. I stopped reading her crap years ago

coz you spend too much time here
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Feb 1, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
Last line Klaus +1! Negativity to the max. Rodger hope to see you again in the future, yer right, bunch of trash lately, but don't take the DORKS here to serious, they prolly ain't worth it. Get on out here, we need to share some beer Brother!
Peace
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
Ron-
YOU I will answer and say yeah, lets GO CLIMB! And a cold Bohemia with a twist of lime afterwards! See ya in Joshua Tree!
Rodger
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Feb 2, 2013 - 12:02am PT
ALRIGHT! Put a BIG smile on my face tonight Rodger! Thanks.
Peace
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Feb 2, 2013 - 12:33am PT
I'll bring the homemade chips and salsa so save a cold Bohemia for lynnie :D
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Feb 2, 2013 - 12:43am PT
But recently, the whole atmosphere has changed to one of extreme negativity towards others. ...since too many self appointed know-it-alls immediately begin piling on if the view expressed doesn't fit the going norm. The responses rapidly degrade to personal attacks on intelligence, perceptions, and degradation of individuals.

 please site some examples.

There is another option… Don't take anything written on a screen personal.

What's that old line about best intention not going unpunished?

Honest, I'd not like this place as much if it was soft and cuddly like a pillow, but then again I'd never expect it to be… its a climbers forum and climbers ain't too soft and fluffy… with a couple of exceptions… you know who you are.

The business of t*r doing a nuke-bomb of ChrisMac's website struck me as the epitome of immature and self-righteous zealotry.

 sure, it may have been. and certainly one sure fire way of voicing an opinion/slowing discussion of boobs. The unelected moderator had her say on a single thread… and got shown the door. It is what it is.

ChrisMac has spent his time and his money providing us with a great forum.

 Are you sure about this? I bet (totally guessing here) that CMac spends little to operate this website and would go so far as to say he get's paid more through running the site than he pays out month after month… but I could totally be wrong, but I'd have to see proof to believe otherwise.


I don't know t*r, but in an infantile hissy-fit, she crossed the line in the sand from expressing her views to a form of destructive vandalism. A friend remarked to me in a PM that t*r was in her early 30's, going on 14. And was also described as a "drama queen," which all I can say is...if the shoe fits, she'd better get it on.

Didn't the OP start out by saying "The responses rapidly degrade to personal attacks on intelligence, perceptions, and degradation of individuals."….

Pot… meet kettle?

It's only human to occasionally get tide up in ones on mind and feel that the world owes one an apology of some sort. And sitting in the armchair on monday we can all point fingers and say how it could have been done better.

But then again…. nobody's that human.

Cheers, hope you get back to posting again some time.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Feb 2, 2013 - 12:49am PT
Just one thing Brokedown, we all know that some of the stuff here can occasionally be not that great. But if people that love the outdoors and have actual rock, mountain, ice, water, wilderness experience and great stories.....well if they leave this forum, so many out there will be the poorer for it. Poorer just because a few f'ddd the place up. Don't let the negative out weigh the positive. Just a thought.

Peace and Joy to you BDC, lynnie
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2013 - 12:57am PT
Lynnie-

I'm breaking my "vow of silence" again to answer; I simply said I was going to STFU for a while and boycott certain threads and responses. I'm lurking, but will continue to speak out IF IT MIGHT DO SOME GOOD! Gawd! It must be the Winter doldrums taking over.

Jingy-

And by the way re: kettle/black. You may read more carefully about most of what I said was quoting another unnamed member.

Rodger
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:05am PT
It's a great place to get yer spelling and grammar checked!

That should be "its" and "grate".

Jeez!

Credit: Ihateplastic
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:53am PT
"It's a great place to get yer spelling and grammar checked!"

I wish you people would step up and check mine. I commit bad English here all the time, and only rarely does someone ever call me on it.

BrokenDownClimber,

If you're going to back away from the Taco for a bit, winter is the time to do it. A number of the people posting here have real fragile minds, and they tend to lose all self control after being cooped up indoors for longer than they like. ( or at least that's the excuse they will use to justify their loss of self control )

It's only a small percentage of the folks on here who surrender their self control, but it can sometimes represent enough of a critical mass to make visiting here more of an irritation than entertainment. Winter seems to always be that time, year after year.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 2, 2013 - 02:28am PT
I met BDC at Facelift, had cow with him and the rest of the herd. Bunch of mavericks, listen to them rant! The pack mentality. Bastards. I love you guys, like in Wayne's World, so there, pussies. AT LEAST BDC HAS A PAIR AND IS COURTEOUS ENOUGH TO TELL US WHY HE'S LEAVING, RATHER THAN PULL OUT WITH A NUKED THREAD BEHIND HIM, fer cryin' out loud.

So chill the f*#k out and go back to wanking if you got nothing positive to say, I say.

We all seem to get along well enough at the YP campground. Little upset the folk and we had a great time, and Roger contributed in a very large way...

The net's totally different. NO SO-CALLED SOCIAL CONVENTIONS HERE, TOO ROWDY!

I do care you are not going to post, BDC, but you are free, a climber, and twenty-one. Good lurking, hope to see you in the Fall...
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Feb 2, 2013 - 02:30am PT
I think I will read only Herr Braun's posts.

He is my Guru.

What one can trandescend through omnipotent shell not be burned by a stupid scientist, because it is eternal.
tinker b

climber
the commonwealth
Feb 2, 2013 - 08:44am PT
speaking of spelling... rodger spells his name with a d. not roger.
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Feb 2, 2013 - 08:46am PT
never know what you'll find

Credit: hooblie

when you just keep digging
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 2, 2013 - 09:26am PT
PAGING -Brokedownclimber - Rodger - and because i know you are lurking Mr Raubach Sir.
Do what you feel you must but remember that the TacoStand is a lot like the weather in Colorado,

if you don't like it wait ten minutes.

It is just a CLIMBER'S forum.
We agree, we disagree,
we laugh, we cry,
We pull together, we push apart.

It is just a CLIMBER'S forum.
Full of everything,
from poignant to irrelevant,
from fluff to froth.

It is just a CLIMBER'S forum.
Where we can express commonality and diversity.
It is our very own island for misfit toys.
And it's better with you with us.

Don't ignore the wheat for the chaff,
the roses for the thorns,
or the beauty for the beast.

It is just a CLIMBER'S forum.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Feb 2, 2013 - 09:53am PT
Hey brokedown...

Always liked you mate. That's all I got to say, cept this....

Cheers!
DMT
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2013 - 10:17am PT
Philo-

You Sir, of all people know that I won't leave permenantly! I'm more or less "biting my toungue" to refrain from attacking some stupidity when it's preceived.

What bothers me most is there are some others here who seem to lose control and exhibit "Schadenfreude" or taking joy in the miseries of others on polititard threads, Boob threads, but seldom if ever on climbing threads. My New Year Resolution was avoiding any polititard, and other crap threads for the year. The t*r incident was sort of the break point for me, not so much for her sometimes inane posts, but for actions taken. Sort of just mentally throwing my arms in the air and asking "why, Lord, why?"
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 2, 2013 - 11:31am PT
Brokedown....Man i hear you on the negative female energy exuded by that t r woman...Alls i wanted was a few nudie shots with my beer and i find nuclear explosions , violence, and mental abuse instead of nurturing breast photos.....I feel violated , traumatized , and hurt with no where to turn....Daddy loves blue velvet...!
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 2, 2013 - 11:52am PT
Sorry to hear you feel that way bd. For me this place is like a microcosm of the real world. I choose what I like and try not to get caught up in the rest. It's been difficult lately to achieve the last part lately though so I understand how you feel.

Would a picture cheer you up?

Kyle on Over Forty 11a
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Feb 2, 2013 - 11:54am PT
Damn, this place really needs an enema.

Enough with the existential angst already!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 2, 2013 - 11:56am PT
Rodger, sorry to have misspelled your name. It should be a formal apology. Here's this, instead.

Lurk and rock on, brother.
eKat

Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Feb 2, 2013 - 11:56am PT
Go here:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2062064&tn=0&mr=0
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
Big Mike-

Climbing pictures ALWAYS cheer me up! That's what this Forum is about!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 2, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
Credit: Ron Anderson

jus fer you BRokedown..
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
Stay tuned Rodger.

This site has been pronounced dead a dozen times since I started posting here.

I have been too busy of late to post and bump the kind of content that keeps you guys engaged and I feel disappointed when good folks lose interest in being here.

A little respect and self-restraint goes a long way on this forum.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
Some of you that did the smakdown on Rodger:

Did you know that Brokedown is a pioneer dating back to the Kor/Ament Heyday in Colorado?

He's not a donald, or rokjox or LEB in other words.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
More than worthy of RESPECT which has been the scarce commodity lately.
Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
Agreed.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
More than worthy of RESPECT which has been the scarce commodity lately.

Yep. Yep. Yep...

Can't wait to rope up with you Rodger....hopefully this spring...

Climb high, fly higher!

Love ya,

Susan and Michael (Feretlegger)
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
Sometimes existence may suck.

You just got to suck it up and truck.

Don't break it down, don't even frown.

Shine a light.



Be zBrown, THE most enlightening crypto in this business of climbing, talking about climbing, and talking about talking about climbing.

And it's gonna be the death of me...-Sole Survivor

What would Bruce throw out there?

Lenny? Did you exist? Did you break down?

Rodger was liking Lenny before half you readers were born.

Let him get it out and just go with his flow.

He understands more about climbing than most of us will ever know or think we know.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
A little respect and self-restraint goes a long way on this forum.

I totally agree but it sure would be nice to see more.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
Hey Rodger

This is why Dave Jones named it "Over Forty"







Because if you whip at the third bolt, you're going at least forty!!!!!!! Sporty!! ;) spicy is more like it..
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
Credit: survival
Rankin

Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:49pm PT
The Taco is a reflection of the scene in Yosemite Valley, which can be more harsh and rude than any in the country. On one level this is understandable because there are so many people there and it's easy to become jaded. But there is also just a culture of unfriendly competition in California climbing. Don't know why this is, but it's unfortunate.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
I spent a lot of time in the Valley in the past, and maybe I wasn't one of the "in crowd", but I don't ever remember the type of aggressive slander, name calling, and rudeness that goes on here now.
Maybe it's just me but I find I'm always finding exceptional friendliness when I've been there currently. I think you find what you look for.
Rankin

Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
Feb 2, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
I don't know Mark. I'll give you some examples: rope theft, bolt chopping, tire slashing, fist fights, slander, challenging people to free soloing.

Another anecdote from a good friend who topped out his first wall, the Prow. He and his partner had run out of water and ran into a team who had just blasted Astroman. These guys had extra water, so my buddy asks if they could spare just a bit for the descent. The guys scowled at them and said, "You should have planned better."
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 2, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
Ron, my gf climbs in those same shoes.
Jim Clipper

climber
from: forests to tree farms
Feb 2, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
Why I quit posting trip reports:





































seriousness
seriousness
Credit: Jim Clipper
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 2, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
I've always wondered about men who say "you are the man." Reminds me of when my gf tells me "you are the bitch."
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Feb 2, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
It still is,Q
I still climb, and have been for the last 47 years.
And I'm pretty sure almost all the posters here,still,
get on the rock every once in a while.
Some more than others, I grant.

After 20 years away from climbing, I've spent the last two weekends flailing and failing in JT. It is the most alive I have felt in ages.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Feb 2, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
Rankin, yes, there are those who are dicks and as#@&%es in every crowd but the vast majority of climbers in Yosemite never experience the issues you mention. Again, you find what you look for.
adatesman

climber
philadelphia, pa
Feb 2, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
Don't really care enough to read several pages of whatever, but let me say this, Brokedownclimber: I can't disagree more.

In fact, as a mostly-lurker (for far longer than you) I'm posting now more than ever. ST is what you make of it, and frankly it's turned into my go-to place to ask advice on most any topic as chances are there's someone here that's got experience with most anything you can come up with. Case in point, I recently ran into hydraulic problems with a 1950's backhoe and all sorts of lurkers I'd never heard of popped up to help.

Sure, climbing topics will lead to your self-appointed-know-it-alls coming out of the woodwork, but frankly pretty much every climbing topic has been beaten to death here and the natives get tired of rehashing things over an over again. Frankly, unless it's a TR or a question about a specific technique I'm not sure there's anything you could ask here that couldn't be answered with a quick Search.

Other thought is IMO calling T*R out like that was bad form. Good or bad, she's got a lot of history here, and I seem to recall her being around prior to 2007 under a different name. Which, if my math adds up, is a lot more time on ST than you have. Like her or not, she's your senior here and I'm not sure you're one to judge.

Just my 2pfennig.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Feb 2, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
Like I said before, just read Herr Braun posts. Pure enlightenment.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Feb 2, 2013 - 04:10pm PT
adatesman I'm glad you found a home here. This jail is way better'n that other'n. And this bloke won't steal your work (like them other'uns)

DMT
adatesman

climber
philadelphia, pa
Feb 2, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
Ancient history, Dingus. Ancient history. :-)
Nor Cal

Trad climber
San Mateo
Feb 2, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
recently? ha, this forum went down hill years ago. I used to post under my name until I got in a beef with someone from So Cal, so now I am Nor Cal (nothing to do with surfing).
I come by and lurk once in a while, but not too often. I posted last summer with the thought that I could get some slings back that my partner left in Tuolumne and I was abused. I recall that Locker had some nice things to say to me about leaving the slings behind! After all I am just a weekend warrior and not a hard man like he is!
I will post again, but it will be selective.
For what it is worth (and that is not much to the crowd) I started posting here over a dozen years ago.
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Feb 2, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
JohnTP, glad to hear you're starting to climb again. I too flail, if you need a flailing partner, give me a ringalingding, I need to get my skills back in order and get back to climbing a lot more than I do now. Glad Rodger put this up, especially if we can get climbing again.
Peace
Forest

Trad climber
Lafayette, CO
Feb 2, 2013 - 05:15pm PT
I've been hanging out at SuperTopo for over 3 years now

Noob!!!

Oh, damn. He has more posts than me...
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Feb 2, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
Ron, Thanks. I need to work on core strength and balance.


My point is that I probably would never have got back in the game were it not for the taco. It has taken some time and I am so lame; can we spell goober? But it is FUN!
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Feb 2, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
Like I said.....let's go!
Peace
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Feb 2, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
JohnTP.... Good to get going again.

Come on out to Stoney... that will get you balance and core.

A lot has changed in 20 years, no?
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Feb 2, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
Best wishes Rodger...I've appreciated your thnoughtful and positive presence on ST

Don't lock the gate behind you...
Rankin

Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
Feb 2, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
Mark, not sure what you mean when you say, "you find what you're looking for." Are you saying that my buddies on top of the Prow were looking for trouble, which is why these guys were rude to them? Doesn't seem that way to me.

I was climbing the first pitch of one of my first routes in the Valley, Serenity to Sons, when Singer, comes rappelling down the pitch. I was a little uncomfortable on the pin scars but managing just fine. Right when he gets along side of me, he screams at me, tying to rattle me and as a way to say, "f*#k you." I've never encountered behavior like this in any other climbing area in 20 years of climbing. I'm not saying it's common in the Valley, because it's not. I'm saying it happens there more, regardless of what anyone is "looking for."
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2013 - 07:05pm PT
I may have given the mistaken impression that I'm leaving on a permenant basis, I'm taking some time out to decompress from the BS scenario.

I love S-T, and I love the people, so I can't simply walk away. It's a behavior issue; many people need to grow the fuk up and quit slandering and defaming others simply beacuse you don't agree with them.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 2, 2013 - 07:20pm PT
+ 1 ^^^
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 2, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
After all I am just a weekend warrior and not a hard man like he is!

LMAO

There does seem to be am outbreak of SAD every year about this time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonal_affective_disorder

Anyone want to buy a sunlamp?

phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Feb 2, 2013 - 07:54pm PT
Hey Rodger, this just seems like a good place to say hello to you!
Hope we get to connect in COR this year sometime.
Take good care, Phyl
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Feb 2, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
Rankin, dicks will be dicks, pass on them and don't give them a moments notice.
Woody the Beaver

Trad climber
Soldier, Idaho
Feb 2, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
Yo, Brokedown, consider posting if you're heading for the City of Rocks again this year. I'd like to say howdy. Missed it last year.
Rankin

Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
Feb 2, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
Mark, Thx. That is good advice for anywhere.
Captain...or Skully

climber
Feb 2, 2013 - 08:28pm PT


Ol' Mark is wise, huh, Rankin?
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Feb 2, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
Hudon.........great advice and words to live by! Never had a bad experience in 38 years of going to Yosemite........that I didn't deserve. It's no different than anyother place, if you mind yer biz, no one will blow yer buzz.
Peace
Rankin

Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
Feb 2, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
Captain, wise indeed.

edit: also Badass!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 2, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
hope to see you soon in your de-compressed state, Rodger

LilaBiene

Trad climber
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:04am PT
Please don't wander too far...

Surrounded by good company, I'd say...and part of very happy memories ...
Surrounded by good company, I'd say...and part of very happy memories of my first trip to Yosemite. ")
Credit: LilaBiene

(And my apologies to Nita all the way to the right -- this was the only picture I managed to take where you can actually read the names!)

A
bit'er ol' guy

climber
the past
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:37am PT
Another ST kiss off letter?

Don't take it so serious, man!

Why are reality TV shows so popular?

(Sure, I'll answer my own damned question)

It's a snap shot of a world you don't live in.

pawn shops, choppers, crab fishing, who gives a rat's asss.

bolt chopping, rebublicans, lance, the valley in the 80's,

what music are you listening to? ditto.

double dyno ditto.

Don't take it so serious, dude.

Negative?

Show me a comedian who's isn't.



philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:48am PT
Ed that is an absolutely wonderful pic of Brokedown climber.
Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:52am PT
A little civility would be nice.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:55am PT
I want to work on Brokedown's Ranch,
and eat Steaks every day.

:)
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:59am PT
Hey Broken Down Climber, I'm stoned so no matter what I say I will take it wrong. I like that pic of you - looks like you're a real mellow guy. Thanks for your contribution here. This is a great place.

Hey, Cosmic, you were not there when I started this post of mine, I said I'm stoned and there you are - pretty cosmic.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 3, 2013 - 02:09am PT
philo, it is just a reminder of why STForum is such a wonderful place to meet up and plan climbing trips...

...even with all the bullsh#t, good stuff happens away from the melodrama, real stuff happens indeed.
johnr9q

Sport climber
Sacramento, Ca
Feb 3, 2013 - 07:41am PT
help me out here. Who is t*r
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2013 - 10:09am PT
Thanks to Ed for reminding me of the great day we had climbing in 2010; that was my "comeback trail trailhead" climb, atop Manure Pile Buttress after completing "After Six." That was exactly 3 1/2 months after breaking 7 ribs and 2 cervical vertabrae in Eldorado; at the time it was taken I was still (unknown to me!) very anemic with very low hematocrit. I bitched the whole time that I didn't have any endurance! Thanks, Ed!
E

Social climber
Tujunga CA.
Feb 3, 2013 - 10:55am PT
when the st forum was started it was cool...you knew almost everyone on it.
every thread was pertinent to climbing.

now it a forum of haters. Ive been attacked just about everytime i have posted here by people that i dont even know....especially around cocktail hour.


stay tuned for proper climbing content

erok
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:29am PT
Bitter ol guy....I like your Rodney Dangerfield take on supertopo...What comedians aren't negative...Excellent...
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:43am PT
I've taught my daughter that for someone to affect me, I have to care what they think of me. If I don't care what they think, they can't affect me.
I pity people here who degenerate into name calling and slander, they cause me to think that the are very unhappy and insecure. I pity them but they don't affect me.

Two thumbs up for what Ed said just above, I met a lot of wonderful people her on ST, more than a few are on their way to becoming very good friends. Since I've been dealing with selling Ian's gear, I've been simply floored by the generosity of our fellow SuprtTopians.
jstan

climber
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
Everyone who comes on ST does so for their own reasons. We have learned how to deal with that
in real life. In a way it is unfortunate that this new medium, the internet, persuades us we can
with impunity, amp ourselves up. Uniformly posters say on meeting face to face, "You are not as
bad as your posts."

On the other hand it is interesting that we drop the face we have learned to display in real life. If
I were a psychiatrist I would talk to my patients only via the internet. Freud can be left in the
dust. Really.

Personally I would consider the option of slandering someone on ST to be very like disrobing in
public. There is not a dime's worth of difference between the two.

A word on the mammary thread. Over the past few million years women and men have evolved
so as best to carry out their roles. Those roles are different. Very different. To see this you need
only reflect for ten seconds on the fact within living memory women were considered to be
chattel property. Much the same as your cattle or your horse. Like men though, they too are very
diverse and they will respond variously.

We all would be well served were we to renormalize. From here on to consider females to be
extra galactic aliens only recently transported to earth. Even better, were we to allow for the fact
we can't be sure we were here first.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
^^^^^^

Now, that is Supertopo at it finest.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:35pm PT

^^^
+1

Credit: locker
...

Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
I've learned that even with the best of intentions, "discussions" on the Internet devolve quite quickly. Respect goes downhill fast and never comes back. I don't need the agony.
Nor Cal

Trad climber
San Mateo
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
wow, I am back in one day and posting.

TGT, I was in the Valley for a "day shot" two weeks ago and will be back next weekend. It's not a lack of climbing or a seasonal disorder it's the attitudes of some...

Weekend warrior
Weekend warrior
Credit: Nor Cal
Photo from a weekender
Photo from a weekender
Credit: Nor Cal
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
The comment was directed at mistaking Locker for a "hardman"

Most of us here ARE, and always were, weekend warriors, or over the hill and still living off a long past reputation.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
I know this is lame to say, but I can't wait until people stop posting so many damn ice climbing pictures.
Nor Cal

Trad climber
San Mateo
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
TGT, I know most of us are weekend warriors and I did not take anything personal. I've been on supertopo for years and years and have just found it lacking in constructive climbing related topics.
My comment about locker was intended to be funny. I deleted the part about getting a job at the to become a hardman like him.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
mechrist...i agree and accept your lameness...smiley picture...
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
Nothing derogatory whatsoever in the term "weekend warrior." I know a lot of climbers who work normal 9 to 5 jobs, train at the local gym a night or two, and then pull down HARD on weekends.
Besides, it's not the number you are putting up, it's the satisfaction you are getting from your climbing that counts.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
Most of us here ARE, and always were, weekend warriors, or over the hill and still living off a long past reputation.

Woah!
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
it's the satisfaction you are getting from your climbing that counts.

That's for damn sure!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
It was once upon a place, sometimes I listen to myself. Gonna come in first place.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
I'd edit that to say
Re-living long past reputations.

Nothing derogatory intended.

The history captured here is the forum's most redeeming quality.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
the satisfaction i get from climbing and having a good cup of coffee are important to my happiness and Hood River Coffee makes all my dreams come true....Take 3.....Action.....! Cut...!
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:39pm PT


"The comment was directed at mistaking Locker for a "hardman"

Most of us here ARE, and always were, weekend warriors, or over the hill and still living off a long past reputation."
...



You for SURE fit that "Weekend Warrior" status...


I on the other hand am NOT a "Weekend Warrior"...

Never was...

NEVER will be!!!...


locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:41pm PT


"I deleted the part about getting a job at the to become a hardman like him."...



I'm only a "HARDMAN" when the need arrises...
















































photo not found
Missing photo ID#287872
...
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
I'm afraid ST will continue to have an untamed, uncultivated element. It's impossible to prohibit individuals from posting on the internet drunk. Or prevent them from venting and propounding their superiority at the expense of others... flaunting their carnal predispositions without taste or discretion.

Most of us net enertainment from colorful, unique persona who misbehave a little...

But when equitable and civil humanity leave ...or become less active (ie; Rodger, Anders etc.)...the forum portends to lose its grounding

I couldn't develop an interest in RC.com because of the feral, combative tenor...

Minus respect and a measure of deference to other's opinions ...the campfire burns out...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
fukaz




Jennie, you are better off sticking to your relief society meetings. bye bye.
WBraun

climber
Feb 3, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
Rodger, Anders etc ???

What are these guys crying about anyways?

Grown men crying and then broadcasting I'm gonna leave like the place won't function without em.

Just plain stupid.

Anders has to stick his nose in every thread almost and comment.

Just stay out of these moronic stupid threads and don't post to them.

Let the idiots fight amongst each other, usually only 2 or 3 of em.

They'll get tired and loose interest real fast since no one cares about their moronic bullsh!t anyways.


Same with that moronic boob thread.

You can find 1 billion boobs on the internet without linking them here.

Instead these morons just copy pasted them here.

Any stupid boob can do that all day long.

F*#king brainless people ......
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 3, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
I'm afraid ST will continue to have an untamed, uncultivated element.

That's not a bug,

it's a feature.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 3, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
Morning Werner. Have a great day.
Gilroy

Social climber
Bolderado
Feb 3, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
Where good friends meet to decompress. Keith and Rob atop Ranger Rock - After Six


Ranger Rock with Rob
Ranger Rock with Rob
Credit: Gilroy

Next time it's me and you, Rodger.

Keith

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Feb 3, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
From here on to consider females to be
extra galactic aliens only recently transported to earth.

Wait, I'm confused. "From here on" ?

I never thought any different :-)

DMT
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 3, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
Better yet, consider women to be human beings.....
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
http://hark.com/clips/fgvrwpkssb-bleeds-for-five-days-and-doesnt-die

I'm joking... I trust them... as long as they come in peace.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Feb 3, 2013 - 02:51pm PT


Look at who's doing MOST of the complaining, then do the math...





LilaBiene

Trad climber
Feb 3, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
Just don't tread on me...and we'll get along just fiiiiine.... :D



Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
Keith-

You betcha!
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Feb 3, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
Sorry you are leaving broke. I hope it is not something I said. If so, please forgive me ;)
I can give you an access code to the secret Boobs thread :D
jstan

climber
Feb 3, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
According to Gresham's Law, "Bad money drives out good."

If you have a choice of two currencies, one which may become worthless and the other will not,
people will tend to spend the questionable currency while holding the good.

This may have some applicability to ST, but I wouldn't know.
ec

climber
ca
Feb 3, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
Anyone here may chose at anytime to take their ball(s) and go home.


Waaah!



 ec
stilltrying

Trad climber
washington indiana
Feb 3, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
"A Penny For Your Thoughts" Twilight Zone Episode over 40 years ago.



While this episode was about telepathy, I believed it went further by begging the viewer to ask himself: is it more rewarding to have your honest thoughts actually heard by others, instead of keeping them secret

Hmmmmmmmnnnn ?
Gilroy

Social climber
Bolderado
Feb 3, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
@ ec -

you know how it is. sharpe wouldn't even let me take a rope. alls we had was balls. nice welcome back to the valley. call the waaambulance...

with sharpe
with sharpe
Credit: Gilroy
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Feb 3, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
Just got back from Culp Valley near Anza Borrego. Small amount rock, then some hiking and mainly taking a wisdom course learning about compass, wilderness survival etc.

Just read the last two pages here and can't tell you how they made me smile and just enjoy all the different perspectives and peeps here on The Taco.

Cheers to you all as each of you add so much to ST in your own individual way (s). lynne

ec

climber
ca
Feb 3, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
Keith,

Rob just forgot how to use it (the rope)...

 ec
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
Keith-

Is that AFter Six? It's been awhile for me.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:13pm PT
Looks kinda like it. A close friend did the first sit start ascent of that thing. He called it "After Sits." It was sick!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
that's After Six indeed, Dr. Sharpe has made a habit of running solo laps on it...
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Feb 4, 2013 - 01:06am PT
I've quit participating on S-T.
I quit participating years ago, but I still post : p
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Feb 4, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
I'm one of those persons that uses ST to reconnect with old friends and remind myself of the good old days when my body and lifestyle hadn't taken from me my old, semi-hardcore self. If that makes me a "not worthy" person for participation in discussion to some people, then I'm happy for you that you are able to always be strong and follow the path that you love.

I think that the "bond of the rope" creates long life friendships and an outlook on life that allows a person to handle a lot of hardships that have nothing to do with climbing.

I've had lots of problems in my life, that I've never aired here, but you guys have helped me through a lot of them none the less. This place is an inspiration, and a place of solace for me in this crazy world.

As far as the boob thread goes, I only read it for the articles:-)
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Feb 4, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
A close friend did the first sit start ascent of that thing.

And people complained because I wanted to know who did the first all-gay (or all-lesbian or first trans-gender) ascent of el Cap!
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 4, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
^^^&^^^^^

Does THAT really matter? It's this PC Bullschitt that has dissillusioned me with this forum.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Feb 4, 2013 - 09:56pm PT




the bottom line is no matter who you are
you are either participating

or you are not

The act itself does not need to be discussed.



Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
I've known brokedown for 50 years now and I've never met a more honorable person. If he is offended at something it no doubt has to do with his sense of honor. If others are offended that he is offended, what does that say about their sense of honor? Apparently from the level of obnoxious vitriol directed toward him and others, there are some who have no sense of honor and take pleasure in that fact. To each his own.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
Yeah! Jan! I'll have what she's having!
Beautifully stated...


Susan
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
Apparently from the level of obnoxious vitriol directed toward him and others, there are some who have no sense of honor and take pleasure in that fact.

A point well made, which bears emphasis.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:15pm PT
It's this PC Bullschitt that has dissillusioned me with this forum.

Some people here use Macs.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
Apparently from the level of obnoxious vitriol directed toward him and others, there are some who have no sense of honor and take pleasure in that fact.

+1,000
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:34pm PT
Some people express their vitriol, in inuendous
statements, so they don't have to be accountable for it.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:38pm PT
I think it is quite stretch to make claims about a person's honor based solely on what they post in a recreational internet forum.

Kinda cheapens the meaning of the word "honor."
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:48pm PT


...


jogill

climber
Colorado
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
It's this PC Bullschitt that has dissillusioned me

Rodger, I got too much of that in my academic environment. Want to talk about affirmative action (concept vs practice)? ;>(
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
The word honor is probably the second most cheapened word in America....just behind patriotisim.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:54pm PT
Supertopo is just as bad and just as good as it always was.

If you are looking for mud to wallow in, there is plenty, just like always. If you are looking for smart and intelligent posts, there are plenty. If you are looking for climbing stuff there is plenty of that also.

If Supertopo is a negative experience for you, you are reading the wrong threads.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:04am PT
I think it is quite stretch to make claims about a person's honor based solely on what they post in a recreational internet forum.

Kinda cheapens the meaning of the word "honor."

If a person only has honor on special occasions and it doesn't extend to recreation, then what kind of honor is that? Situational honor in my books is no honor at all.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:13am PT
So this place isn't even worth one's time, and yet it provides enough knowledge about others to assess their honor?



I'm gonna have to think about that one a bit....
John M

climber
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:15am PT
It's this PC Bullschitt that has dissillusioned me with this forum.

I guess I'm cornfused. I thought PC bullschitt was when you didn't like people being too Politically correct. That they should speak their mind and not hold back. That seems to happen a lot on this forum. Its just that peoples minds are a bit in the gutter. So could you clarify for me. What is it that you don't like?

I thought you were leaving because of the rancor and disrespectful behavior.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:21am PT
I never said this place wasn't worth one's time, but I do think you can get a pretty good idea of people by reading numerous comments of theirs. If they're not the vitriolic people they pretend to be on ST, then that also shows you something about their character and a lack of consistency if nothing else. To me to be honorable, a person should at least strive to be consistently honorable. We all fail from time to time.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:27am PT
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:30am PT
I'm afraid ST will continue to have an untamed, uncultivated element. It's impossible to prohibit individuals from posting on the internet drunk.

This is good.

Curt
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:15am PT
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:32am PT
Apparently from the level of obnoxious vitriol directed toward him and others, there are some who have no sense of humor and take pleasure in that fact.

Agreed!
Dick_Lugar

Trad climber
Casper the Friendly Ghost Town!
Feb 5, 2013 - 02:08am PT
Logged on in 2006...Supertopo was a great distraction and procrastination from my then monotonous job...then I got fired from a new job in 2007 due to my procrastinating skills I honed in on here!!! Knew then I had a problem with the internet, Supertopo and other nefarious sites!!! LOL, but I kept on logging on Supertopo until 2010-ish?? Then I did the math. I looked up all my total posts (1,588), figured it took me approx. 2-5 minutes per post, and that's being conservative...it wasn't pretty.

I did the same thing for LEB and other high volume posters who shall remain nameless...LEB had posted the equivalent of 105 days (24/7)!!! Freakin' nuts! Life is too short to spend in the electronic void!

Anyways, decided that I should really focus on family, my daughter and wife, and haven't regretted a minute of it! Cheers.

Btw, Good job Broken Down Climber...I'll keep an eye out for ya at Fremont Cyn.!!!
QITNL

climber
Feb 5, 2013 - 02:37am PT
Hey Jan -

Here's something your Brokedownfriend said on the Gay Boy Scouts thread, full quote:

So...Climbski2...are YOU a parent? The business of being PC pales into insignificance to parents. I'm hopeful that someday a grandson of mine will become a Scout, and I really wouldn't appreciate a sexual predator as a Scoutmaster. This is really an issue involving parents, and not the general public as a whole. So..if you and your butthole buddy want to bugger one another, have at. I really don't givva schitt.

There are at least three statements there, explicit or implicit, with which I wholeheartedly disagree. I bet you can identify at least two. Sitting around without voicing a modicum of displeasure doesn't sit with me.

My contributions to these forums are primarily visual. I've never seen anybody respond to a thread "needs more words!"

When I post a random photo, I do so as a fellow lover of mountains. If you love mountains - err, choss heaps - this picture is for you:

Vitaliy M.'s buddy
Vitaliy M.'s buddy
Credit: QITNL

I don't care if you are:
male
female
straight
gay
white
black
Mexican
Christian
Jewish
Muslim
etc.

If anyone disparages any of my fellow lovers of choss, you also disparage me.










Yer gonna die.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Feb 5, 2013 - 02:48am PT



Well I huffed and I puffed but I still couldnt control a damn thing,

except myself.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 5, 2013 - 05:19am PT
For the record, I do not share brokedown's conservative values. We do have very civilized disagreements however.

And I'm sure that not every gay is predatory. It also seems pretty clear from the Catholic Church example that hidden gays in positions of authority are more likely to abuse their power than those out of the closet. I'm also pretty sure there already are gay scout masters, they're just not recognized as such. I therefore think the sooner all gays are out and equal the better.

Of course as a woman who has traveled around the world alone several times over, I could tell you all a thing or two about predatory heterosexual males. And I've had run ins with those a lot more frequently than with lesbians. LOL

The fact is nobody's children are safe in any venue in North America anymore. Kids get kidnapped off of school busses and taken to underground bomb shelters by total strangers, they get kidnapped and held as sex slaves in some pervert's basement or back yard, they get gunned down in their classrooms, and so far as I know those have all been done by heterosexual males.

As far as brokedown resorting to name calling, but that's his responsibilty not mine.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Feb 5, 2013 - 07:16am PT
And I'm sure that not every gay is predatory.

Wow, that's rather faintly stated, isn't it.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 5, 2013 - 07:43am PT
The assumption behind the opposition to gay scout leaders is 1) irrational bias often based on religion 2) a somewhat understandable bias given what's happened in the Catholic Church.

I will state again, the problem in the Catholic church was hidden gay pedophiles whom everyone trusted and the persistent attempt over many years to cover it all up. If gays are out in the open, those conditions are eliminated and the same standards apply to them as anyone else. In time hopefully, people will understand the difference between gay which is a biological condition of birth and gay pedophiles which is a lifestyle choice based on stunted psychological development.

Pedophiles can not be eliminated but our children can be educated to report them where ever encountered and not to believe that any authority is above such reporting or that such encounters are ever the child's fault.

Hopefully that's clear enough?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 5, 2013 - 10:22am PT
Brokedown...I hear what you are saying about the PC drift but it's all good and part of the mudslingin....Maybe someone will post some Andrew Dice poetry and balance out the Kumbaya factor...? RJ
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Feb 5, 2013 - 10:36am PT
The word honor is probably the second most cheapened word in America....just behind patriotisim.


Jim I agree, but I would add "Hero" to the beginning of that list.


I thought you were going to go climbing more.....
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Feb 5, 2013 - 10:41am PT
I think " amazing " is the most cheapened word.

You are amazing,

This thread is amazing

Supertopo is amazing

Boobs are amazing

People leaving and stating so or making a huff is amazing

We are all amazing

What an amazing day.

YUK!

Edit: now parting the red sea, that was amazing.
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv that is funny Ron!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Yeah, but it was only a traverse.
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
And I'm sure that not every gay is predatory. It also seems pretty clear from the Catholic Church example that hidden gays in positions of authority are more likely to abuse their power than those out of the closet. I'm also pretty sure there already are gay scout masters, they're just not recognized as such. I therefore think the sooner all gays are out and equal the better.

Since some people seem confused on the issue, gay does not equal pedophile.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
Exactly my point. Maybe if our society could accept gays, we would begin to see the difference. And let us not forget that Jerry Sandusky of Penn State was not apparently gay which is one of the reasons probably no body suspected him to be a pedophile of young boys. An interesting question is if he worked in a girl's boarding school would young girls have been his victims?
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 5, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
And for those of you who don't like to use the word honor except presumably in a military context, how about personal integrity instead?
Owlman

Social climber
Bozeman
Feb 5, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
Oh no, you mean the Boobs link is toast.

I'm leaving too.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 5, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
i have nothing to say right now...me got the damn flu....

I'll slander later.
nutjob

Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
Personal integrity and honor matter to me.

I think how people conduct themselves on Supertopo is an honest reflection of their needs and wants, who they really are, stripped of the fears associated with an in-person confrontation. In other words, people present themselves how they want to be in the world, without regard for the fear of getting an @ss-beating for saying or being offensive to others. Actually, this is more true of anonymous folks than widely known real name posters.

While this is generally a bad thing according to my value system, there are some good and therapeutic things about it. It's a good halfway house of sorts for folks learning to deal with confrontation in a healthy way. Some people practice "being a dick" here so they can get more comfortable with confrontations in real life. Being able to cope with a confrontation is a first step to being able to have rational thoughts and be considerate amidst a confrontation. It's a way of letting out emotional angst without hurting the "real" people around you in "real" life. I think I did that for a short bit around 2005.

Maybe this gets close to the differential resentment that Supertopo seems to bear for negative participants who are climbers vs. non-climbers.

We don't want to be the cesspool outlet of negative emotions for others who have nothing invested in us or what we care about. But real people sometimes express unpleasant negative stuff, and if it balances over time with the good stuff, we're more tolerant.


So the instinct to "protect the tribe" and shun negative non-climbers is not really an expression of parochialism, but more a community taking a stand against net negative folks who come with a calculated lack of investment to make a safe haven for dumping sh!t.

I would hope that a forum of basket-weavers would be resentful if I joined just because I don't really give a damn about basket weaving and it was a safe place for me to treat people poorly, spoiling relationships that I don't care about.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
Hey Nutjob, stop trying to sound "smart", and just say something like, "some people can be as#@&%es".....

Uses fewer words, and I believe, gets the same point across.

Flu sucks....
nutjob

Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
Flu probably blows more than sucks!

Maybe I have a problem with people in real life being patient enough to cope with my long-winded diatribes, but THERE IS NOTHING YOU ALL CAN DO TO STOP ME FROM WRITING IT HERE. Mua ha ha ha.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 5, 2013 - 07:02pm PT
Good point, Nutjob. I just thought you coulda been less wordy and made the same point.

Hehe...
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