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pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
The internet was made for speculation.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
I thought it was made for Al Gore.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=542937699057443&set=pb.335730786444803.-2207520000.1360365829&type=3&theater

The eyeball that shattered a windshield.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
I prefer to not pass judgement because I don't have all the facts. Neither do any of you.

And yet, through the grace of the Today Show and a 1 sided account repeated over and over, any 'Merkin who saw it already has passed judgement. The Peruvians' unprovoked attacks on perfectly innocent US citizens WILL NOT STAND... mahn.

As someone said on their fb page:

"Is there any chance the US could send in some troops to round up those criminals and arrest them? They need to be held accountable for this crime against America."

Yes, when 'Merkins travel to YOUR village and things get out of hand, YOU have committed a crime against 'Merka.


Pat, that was done by a rock... where have you been? Shut up Donny.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Feb 8, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
OT Marmot sez "Now I have a tummy ache..."
OT Marmot sez "Now I have a tummy ache..."
Credit: Vegasclimber
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 8, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
They were on the today show?

It's just me, but I'd never, ever, discuss a traumatic experience on camera for the world to see.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
eh, whatever it was... who cares.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
"Pat, that was done by a rock... where have you been? Shut up Donny."

I guess I am referring to this comment:

"The one (dent) on the driver's side is from a rock. But look at the other one... clearly a much broader object caused the one in the middle. I'm guessing it was the dude's head. It all makes sense... a chick was driving (which is why they ended up in the ditch). The dude was sitting in the back, between the seats and bloodied his head when he hit the glass, then banged his jaw against the dash or other person's head."
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
That's the story that popped into my head and I'm sticking to it.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
Which of the two conflicting stories are you sticking to?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 07:51pm PT
That one.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
"Pat, that was done by a rock (referring to a photo of the guys injury)... where have you been? Shut up Donny."

So fair to say this was sarcasm? Fine, the injury doesn't fit the mechanism of action but whatever, tell the story you want to tell. Its easier than having to separate your dislike for three people based on a knee jerk reaction from holding any sort of real consistent morals that apply to everyone.

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 9, 2013 - 02:06am PT
Now, Riley,

Before you go... DON'T BE LIGHT !

You should always be willing to take it, whatever it is.

Q - How much more can we take ?

A - All of it.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 9, 2013 - 04:10am PT
Yeah, Riley, until tomorrow. LOL.

Goodnight! :-)
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 9, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
I said it twice and I will say it again:

Strange lands and separation are the wanderer's lot.
When a man is a wanderer and stranger,
he should not be gruff nor overbearing.
He has no large circle of acquaintances,
therefore he should not give himself airs.
He must be cautious and reserved;
in this way he protects himself from evil.
If he is obliging toward others, he wins success.

A wanderer has no fixed abode; his home is the road.
Therefore he must take care to remain upright and steadfast,
so that he sojourns only in the proper places,
associating only with good people.
Then he has good fortune and can go his way unmolested.


I don't dislike the people who got beaten. I dislike the idea of 'Merkins rolling into a small town in a 3rd world country, deciding they get to camp in a random village they know nothing about, and then blaming the residents when sh#t goes south. I have no doubt the situation could have turned out better if the travelers had oozed humble respect and gratitude towards the locals. Personally, I'da sought out a town center of sorts, asked very respectfully for someone in charge, asked them if there was somewhere I could park and sleep for the night, maybe offer them some money for letting me stay, etc. I would NOT have set up camp, started drinking, and then asked random people walking down the road if I could camp there. Driving further up the road after the initial altercation, deeper into the local's HOME territory, is not a sign of respect... more likely to be taken as a direct sign of disrespect.

I also have no doubt the 'Merkins believe every word of their story and believe they did absolutely nothing wrong... how could they, they are 'Merkin tourists on vacation? I think it sucks they got beaten and I certainly don't wish that on anyone. I just have a hard time understanding how someone in that situation could pick out a woman screaming "kill them" in her native language, how there could be no trace of an impassable road block across a road that size in ANY of the available photos, how the story of these 3 'Merkins clashes with every other story I have ever heard about Peruvians, etc. But we should give them the benefit of the doubt... they're 'Merkins on vacation after all, not some dirt poor country bumpkins minding their own business in their own village.

From what I gather from your facebook page link, they are now looking to rent an apartment in Argentina... poor 'Merkins, barely scraping by in whatever part of the world they choose. So did the Today show interview them in S.America? Or did they come home, do the media circuit, and head back for more adventuring? Oh well, they collected over $20,000 (more than I make in a year and likely more than that entire village will see in a lifetime), got the mayor of a poor town to pay for all damages, and generated plenty of animosity towards the Peruvians in the process.

Happy travels.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine
Feb 9, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
If we repeat our points over enough, do they magically become true?
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 9, 2013 - 02:50pm PT


"You're making Riley look smart."...

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Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 9, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
ask Francis the talking mule...



mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 9, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
If we repeat our points over enough, do they magically become true?

No, they are already true... which is why they should be repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 9, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
weschrist/mechrist can't even post on Supertopo without getting banned and he thinks he will teach us how to behave in Peru.

Is anyone else noticing that it is the posters that have the least ability to control their behavior here that are the most judgmental about how the climbers behaved in Peru, and also the quickest ones to call them liars, and jump to conclusions?
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