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Gerg

Trad climber
Calgary
Feb 8, 2013 - 05:02pm PT
This is so a book I am buying!
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 8, 2013 - 05:12pm PT

I have been trying to think of an analogy for this thread - the best I can come up with is a Calculus class where a few folks have already got it, a few will never get it, a few haven't even opened the book and the rest are strung out in various corners of not understanding.

Yeah, Riley and you're one of the ones strung out in a corner.

You can't even drive around in the U.S. without getting into altercations and getting tooled. Wait until you've learned how to behave at home before telling us what we should do in Peru.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 8, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
But again, if you claim you have been tortured but are able to write/blog about it just days after, then I've got some serious questions about your credibility.

They never used the word "torture" but said that they had rocks thrown at their heads and were whipped with ropes and beaten. They major of the village as admitted that they were attacked. The pictures taken in the morning when the police arrive show them pretty beaten up.

So now they are lying because they shouldn't be able to write about it? Maybe you would still be having a nervous breakdown and be peeing your pants days later, but all that shows is that most people are stronger then you.

I can't prove that everything that they say is true, and I can't prove that some of it isn't incorrect.

But of all the arguments that they are lying on this thread, this is the weakest.

You're making Riley look smart.
Al_Smith

climber
San Francisco, CA
Feb 8, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
“We were whipped and beaten for a few hours in between sessions of interrogation.”

Sounds like the definition of torture to me.

Either way, you are an interesting person Granite. If you believe that no one has the right to express an opinion or viewpoint except for yourself, then why participate in a forum where the purpose is to express opinions and dialogue with others about things climbing (and not climbing - as the case may be) related? Why not just sit quietly and admire your own intellect and toughness?

Oh and on that score, I think its funny that given that we know each other so well that you find it possible to characterize my relative level of toughness. But if we are discussing the hypothetical of a large group of people beating, whipping, and interrogating me and two of my loved ones over the course of several hours, then yes, I sincerely doubt I'd have the wherewithal or desire to take to my blog the following day to share that suffering with the entire world wide web. I imagine I'd be talking about it, but I'd be doing so with my family, those I shared the experience with, law enforcement, etc. That was my only point. So if that makes me a wuss then I accept the charge.

You on the other hand I take it would be on the Taco the very next day sharing your experience and blathering away about how your family was crying while being whipped and beaten but you took the beating like the champion of courage that you are. And of course, we here on the Taco would neither question your story nor give you a hard time because after all you are so well loved and known to be so tough. I envy your intrepidity and I appreciate you setting me straight. You da' man.


mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
Joseph finally got his door shut and we drove off quickly in the opposite direction of where we came hoping that the road would lead us away.

That's what I would do if I just upset the locals... drive deeper into the unknown hills!
Alexey

Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
for some folks "two bottle of beer" is too much
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
So now they are lying because they shouldn't be able to write about it?

They posted their story 3 days after the occurrence, asking for money and help. It has been over a month and I have yet to see any official documents posted anywhere. In fact, other than their TV appearance, and a "thanks for all the money" post, there doesn't seem to be a peep. Kind of strange for folks with such an intardweb presence to keep quite for so long... especially now that they are back in the US. Just sayin...
WBraun

climber
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
asking for money and help

Didn't their friends make the donations page for them without their original knowledge.

They said they never asked for money.

Am I wrong?

pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
They have a Facebook page they have been updating: http://www.facebook.com/MegaJed?ref=ts&fref=ts

Why should they update anyone on the internet if they didn't even ask anyone on the internet for money?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
All this speculation is just that, speculation.

I prefer to not pass judgement because I don't have all the facts. Neither do any of you.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
We should issue a supertopo subpoena and command their attendance and testimony in this thread.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
Totally.
plund

Social climber
OD, MN
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
Jesus f'in wept
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
The internet was made for speculation.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
I thought it was made for Al Gore.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=542937699057443&set=pb.335730786444803.-2207520000.1360365829&type=3&theater

The eyeball that shattered a windshield.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
I prefer to not pass judgement because I don't have all the facts. Neither do any of you.

And yet, through the grace of the Today Show and a 1 sided account repeated over and over, any 'Merkin who saw it already has passed judgement. The Peruvians' unprovoked attacks on perfectly innocent US citizens WILL NOT STAND... mahn.

As someone said on their fb page:

"Is there any chance the US could send in some troops to round up those criminals and arrest them? They need to be held accountable for this crime against America."

Yes, when 'Merkins travel to YOUR village and things get out of hand, YOU have committed a crime against 'Merka.


Pat, that was done by a rock... where have you been? Shut up Donny.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Feb 8, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
OT Marmot sez "Now I have a tummy ache..."
OT Marmot sez "Now I have a tummy ache..."
Credit: Vegasclimber
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 8, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
They were on the today show?

It's just me, but I'd never, ever, discuss a traumatic experience on camera for the world to see.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
eh, whatever it was... who cares.
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