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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
You are stuck on some rocks? Easter island, the pyramids, and you think so low of these guys you don't think they could collect a pile of measly road block stones like any other self respecting village? No respect.

I see... you are suggesting they built a 2 foot high rock roadblock across a 20 foot wide road, and then moved all the rocks completely out of sight before any pictures were taken. Those devious country folk!

I've built 2' high rock retaining walls... it takes WAY more rock than is available at that site... WAY more (I see 1 rock bigger than 6" and a few that are ~4"). I'm willing to bet my worthless prospective degree on it. It also takes WAY longer to construct and deconstruct than the story allows.

There is AMPLE room to drive on the other side of the road, the one with "the cliff" not the ditch, where the town folk are gathered.

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Feb 8, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
I see... you are suggesting they built a 2 foot high rock roadblock across a 20 foot wide road, and then moved all the rocks out of sight before any pictures were taken. Those devious country folk!

But you see, you don't see anything really. I don't really care ;). My point is nobody here seems to know anything for sure yet we all have some burning points to make that seem to point out more about us than anything that may or may not have happened.

In short, I'm not going to delve too deeply in what was surely a rushed, adrenaline-fueled observation of this purported wall, but if it really grabs yah by the small folds have at it. It just continues to seem dicky to throw stones at some people who were undeniably hurt (whatever the mechanism), and then slander them based on evidence that could go either way. Buncha armchair quarterbacks touting a buncha flawed evidence like it's gospel.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Feb 8, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
QITNL, that was hilarious!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
I've spent way too much of my life looking at rocks, geomorphology, and soils to allow anyone to claim a 2' wall was built across the road using native stone. Same thing if someone shows me a picture of southern Utahesque sandstone and claims they are glacial erratics... or a picture of Pinnacles and tells me there is good climbing there. I know better and nothing anyone can say changes the geologic truth revealed in the landscape.

peas
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
So, youchrist, have there been humans on the moon?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
Of course there has
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
Given the position of the car in the ditch, it is obvious they were driving off the road for some reason, and tried to get back on when they got stuck in the ditch. A point ignored by everyone. Most likely what they were driving around is a ways back. Road blocks made of rocks are apparently a common tactic in this region. a picture http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/1a7baf/ Who says they all collected the rocks in an instant? My guess is the rocks would be already collected and sitting in a pile ready to be dispersed (would make sense if they had problems with thieves), or would be an extension of rock walls in the area perhaps further back than the picture would show. Or maybe they are lying. Point is we all have an agenda here and are interpreting the pictures as we see fit.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
Most likely what they were driving around is a ways back.

You mean, like right around here?



I don't care how many villagers you have, you ain't gonna get THIS v from THAT ^



And you sure as sh#t not gonna get THAT ^ out of every single picture taken from various different angles.
Jim Clipper

climber
from: forests to tree farms
Feb 8, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
Must be photoshopped. Those mountains have no rocks, and those simple country folk know nothing about building walls!






















Credit: Jim Clipper
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
The pictures say nothing confirming OR denying a wall. Keep in mind the picture was taken the day after the incident had occurred and the villagers probably wanted to hide their involvement if they indeed were involved.

Look at the where the truck is, why were they driving off road? Don't give me that drunk crap, look at their blog, there is no history of them getting wasted and partying it up. Two beers between three people does not do this to you. All the other picture shows is the ditch running a short ways back, they were probably driving on the opposite side of it before what the picture shows.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
Missing the point bud. The biggest rock in ANY of their pictures is the one by her foot. No rocks in front of them, no rocks behind them.



I don't care how many cities your ancestors built, you can't build a 2 foot high road block with a couple rocks.

(Going back for that picture I realized Fluoride already picked up on this discrepancy in the story. Credit where credit is due... geologist by chance? Or maybe just observant.)


Maybe they thought they were on this road...

pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 01:10pm PT
Really ME? I see a hell of a lot more rocks in that picture than one.

Edit to add.. Nice edit. I see a hell of a lot more rocks in the picture of the Wolfroms than one.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
Okay, there might be 3. There certainly ain't enough to build a 2 foot high roadblock.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 01:13pm PT
Look closer.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
God, please tell me you are referring to the walls 1/4 mile away... I need a good laugh.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
Yes the rock walls, containing rocks, that could be used to make a rock wall.

That are fairly close. That exist on the hillier side of the road that is not shown in the rest of the photographs, or extensively in this photograph.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
hahahaaaahaaaaaa. Those Peruvians are more devious than I could have ever imagined.

The road ended at a school about 10 minutes after we started driving. There was a man there and we asked him if we could camp and he said no, so we had to turn around and start driving back towards where we first encountered the mob. Soon we were approached by two motor bikes coming from the village and many people on foot. They started approaching the vehicle and we asked them if we could please leave. They said they would not let us leave and then started throwing rocks at the truck and building a rock blockade on the road in front of us. We drove over the first blockade and there were villagers up on the hill above the road continuing to throw rocks at the truck. They threw a large rock through the passenger window, breaking it and hitting me in the face and cutting my jaw. They also threw a rock through the driverís side window, hitting my brother. We soon were met with another large road blockade of boulders that we could not drive through. At this blockade they threw rocks at the windshield and destroyed it.

That's a lot of fuking rocks to take out of a wall 1/4 mile away... and then put back by the next morning.


I have no doubt the villagers were throwing rocks. I have no doubt the situation could have been completely avoided. I also have no doubt the story is sensationalized, whether intentionally or not doesn't matter.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Feb 8, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
That is what you don't seem to get!
Just becuase you can't see it at all - it doesn't mean it isn't very, very easy for a few other people to figure out.
This occurs all the time on here - you are caught on the wrong end of a losing argument whether you ever know it or not.

I am told you have travelled once in your life and you got your ass kicked- so i do understand why you have a vested emotional interest in believing this bullsh#t.
In other words it might not all be chalked up to intelligence in your case.

What you don't get is I'm not arguing. With you, least of all. I don't think you're capable of argument, just pronouncements from your made up throne.

I heard you got your ass kicked by rangers in Yosemite, or at least handled like a belligerent idiot? Sounds like a great wannabe tough guy move, what I'd expect from you considering your style of posing, er, posting here.

Yeah, I only spent a month in Mexico once, that's about it for my foreign relations. I got into a one-sided surprise attack from some random sh#t kicker out there when I made the mistake of being the last gringo at the party and got out of it on my own. I didn't ask for money or offer lame theories about what happened. Considering much worse has happened in that vicinity lately, I'm not surprised. Mostly, the overall story is I had a great time there, you should try it ;).
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Feb 8, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
As for me, I'm amazed at the armchair quarterbacks who seriously think their half-informed pronouncements merit any respect whatsoever. ST: Solving the world's issues daily... riiiigghht.

And I'm amazed that people regularly take the time to post on threads devoted to bullshitting about some miscellaneous news story or other to register an objection to that bullshitting.
But I suppose it's fun to go through life with a sense of amazement over trivial things, so carry on.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
Riley
You really think these villagers have a good relationship with the police? Given the history of Peru?

MeChrist
No one said they took the rocks from those specific rock walls a quarter mile away, we don't see what is behind them on that side of the road, maybe a rock wall that comes close? Sure looks like there are plenty of rocks in the area to me which you claimed there weren't.
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