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aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Feb 7, 2013 - 07:20pm PT
Difficult to say why it happened, but my best guess is that two or three unscrupulous people in the village wanted to steal their stuff, and so spread a false rumor about their intentions in order to provoke a hostile response from the rest of the population. It is not necessarily their fault, nor an indication of some deep seated hostility on the part of Peruvian villagers.

It is also possible that this particular village had a bad experience with previous tourists behaving in a disrespectful way.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 7, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
Fact remains... same as it ever was...

Strange lands and separation are the wanderer's lot.
When a man is a wanderer and stranger,
he should not be gruff nor overbearing.
He has no large circle of acquaintances,
therefore he should not give himself airs.
He must be cautious and reserved;
in this way he protects himself from evil.
If he is obliging toward others, he wins success.

A wanderer has no fixed abode; his home is the road.
Therefore he must take care to remain upright and steadfast,
so that he sojourns only in the proper places,
associating only with good people.
Then he has good fortune and can go his way unmolested.

I Ching, written a few years ago or something





cuz you know....


The further you travel, the less you know.
-Lao Tzu





What was that stuff about getting his green barrette buddies together to inflict justice or something? Sounds pretty humble and respectful.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Feb 7, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
What was that stuff about getting his green barrette buddies together to inflict justice or something? Sounds pretty humble and respectful.

wow, I think I know that guy.



couchmaster

climber
pdx
Feb 7, 2013 - 11:57pm PT





Wes, all the speculation in the world here won't do anything positive. The US goverment will look into this and get back to us on it. As was said earlier, since the media is now involved, they may be interested enough to actually look into it and get real facts.

Meantime, we can continue to speculate here in the absence of any real facts. LOL! Have at it. Sure these kids from jackson hole spend more on toilet paper than these indigenous people make in a year, and the price of the truck could buy the whole county including all the girls under 14. But what's the point in speculating? I pretty much agree with Jan, the poor Peruvian people will take the hit here from tourist cancellations or travel redirect. Hard not to feel bad for those who depend on a few meager tourist bucks to put a little extra chicken in the pot trying to survive for another year...... nah, nevermind, I'm with you - I got it good, like everyone here on ST and in the US - F them, they can starve I suppose.

The villagers are even too stupid to know to set up a facebook account to accept donations. HAH, they don't even have computers! That's why the 3 ass-beaten kids will survive and thrive as they continue their journey with their newly crowdsourced paid for $5,000 Sony laptop etc etc. They copped AT LEAST $12,000 in free chicken scratch out of this. That was the Kickstarter scratch, who can say what they obtained privately via the facebook money collection deal. Thats over $1,000 per stitch fer gods sake. Last 2 times I got stitches I had to pay for it. I'm clearly as stupid as the villagers. No - even stupider (hey Werner, stole yer line:-) as the villagers didn't get any stitches whereas I got lots of them and then had to pay for them. Damn I must be beyond dumb.

Pretty damn sad if you get right down to it. Any of you want to set up a fund for the village? It would be interesting if they got more money raised than the kids.

I'm thinking this is a job for Riley W. or Mechrist. Fellas, step up and make your mark. This will be world class interesting, make the worlds newspapers and all you have to do is start a kickstarter page. Think of the impact of supporting some poor folks financially would provide, instead of with just yer lips which seem unable to stop or reason.

Really. I invite you. Do some good.






QITNL

climber
Feb 8, 2013 - 01:43am PT
How old are you children? This whole stupid soap opera could have been avoided with the proper use of fake IDs.

Here you go, Vitaliy M. - print this up and laminate it before you head to Peru. If anyone asks for your ID, hand it over!
Credit: QITNL
They might have a couple of questions about your bocadillo.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 02:53am PT
Couch, RW already does plenty of good for those less fortunate.

I won't set up an account to get donations for the villagers because, who knows, they could be as#@&%es. Besides, I'd just take the money and blow it on hookers and coke.

The point here isn't who did what... it will ALWAYS be them vs. them... ALWAYS. I'm just burning time and struck by the obvious lack of enough rocks to build a 2 foot tall roadblock... and the lack of a cliff on the other side of the road.

I'm also a cautious traveler, fully aware that if I get into a shitty situation while traveling it is just part of the price I pay for fun... you can always stay home.

I've always managed to stay out of trouble... and I'm one of the biggest, dumbest as#@&%es I know.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Feb 8, 2013 - 09:25am PT
You are stuck on some rocks? Easter island, the pyramids, and you think so low of these guys you don't think they could collect a pile of measly road block stones like any other self respecting village? No respect.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Feb 8, 2013 - 11:14am PT
As for me, I'm amazed at the armchair quarterbacks who seriously think their half-informed pronouncements merit any respect whatsoever. ST: Solving the world's issues daily... riiiigghht.
WBraun

climber
Feb 8, 2013 - 11:20am PT
This thread should really be titled:

"Help climbers viciously attacked by internet forums"
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Feb 8, 2013 - 11:50am PT
As anyone from over there on the guns thread could tell you, more firepower would have solved the problem once and for all. (for either side)
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
You are stuck on some rocks? Easter island, the pyramids, and you think so low of these guys you don't think they could collect a pile of measly road block stones like any other self respecting village? No respect.

I see... you are suggesting they built a 2 foot high rock roadblock across a 20 foot wide road, and then moved all the rocks completely out of sight before any pictures were taken. Those devious country folk!

I've built 2' high rock retaining walls... it takes WAY more rock than is available at that site... WAY more (I see 1 rock bigger than 6" and a few that are ~4"). I'm willing to bet my worthless prospective degree on it. It also takes WAY longer to construct and deconstruct than the story allows.

There is AMPLE room to drive on the other side of the road, the one with "the cliff" not the ditch, where the town folk are gathered.

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Feb 8, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
I see... you are suggesting they built a 2 foot high rock roadblock across a 20 foot wide road, and then moved all the rocks out of sight before any pictures were taken. Those devious country folk!

But you see, you don't see anything really. I don't really care ;). My point is nobody here seems to know anything for sure yet we all have some burning points to make that seem to point out more about us than anything that may or may not have happened.

In short, I'm not going to delve too deeply in what was surely a rushed, adrenaline-fueled observation of this purported wall, but if it really grabs yah by the small folds have at it. It just continues to seem dicky to throw stones at some people who were undeniably hurt (whatever the mechanism), and then slander them based on evidence that could go either way. Buncha armchair quarterbacks touting a buncha flawed evidence like it's gospel.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Feb 8, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
QITNL, that was hilarious!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
I've spent way too much of my life looking at rocks, geomorphology, and soils to allow anyone to claim a 2' wall was built across the road using native stone. Same thing if someone shows me a picture of southern Utahesque sandstone and claims they are glacial erratics... or a picture of Pinnacles and tells me there is good climbing there. I know better and nothing anyone can say changes the geologic truth revealed in the landscape.

peas
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
So, youchrist, have there been humans on the moon?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
Of course there has
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
Given the position of the car in the ditch, it is obvious they were driving off the road for some reason, and tried to get back on when they got stuck in the ditch. A point ignored by everyone. Most likely what they were driving around is a ways back. Road blocks made of rocks are apparently a common tactic in this region. a picture http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/1a7baf/ Who says they all collected the rocks in an instant? My guess is the rocks would be already collected and sitting in a pile ready to be dispersed (would make sense if they had problems with thieves), or would be an extension of rock walls in the area perhaps further back than the picture would show. Or maybe they are lying. Point is we all have an agenda here and are interpreting the pictures as we see fit.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
Most likely what they were driving around is a ways back.

You mean, like right around here?



I don't care how many villagers you have, you ain't gonna get THIS v from THAT ^



And you sure as sh#t not gonna get THAT ^ out of every single picture taken from various different angles.
Jim Clipper

climber
from: forests to tree farms
Feb 8, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
Must be photoshopped. Those mountains have no rocks, and those simple country folk know nothing about building walls!






















Credit: Jim Clipper
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
The pictures say nothing confirming OR denying a wall. Keep in mind the picture was taken the day after the incident had occurred and the villagers probably wanted to hide their involvement if they indeed were involved.

Look at the where the truck is, why were they driving off road? Don't give me that drunk crap, look at their blog, there is no history of them getting wasted and partying it up. Two beers between three people does not do this to you. All the other picture shows is the ditch running a short ways back, they were probably driving on the opposite side of it before what the picture shows.
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