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Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Feb 7, 2013 - 08:53am PT
There you go again justifying their mob mentality. Really, give it a rest. Their true colors came out. Once they decided they had been slighted, they threw rocks, beat up people, and stole sh#t. Just like any group of jackasses might do in any crap neighborhood in East LA or some other uneducated pile. But the Peruvians are so cute in their outfits.

Hahahaha.... Good stuff.

If you could translate those villagers into the proper American dialect it would have been the deepest backwoods hick drawl.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Feb 7, 2013 - 11:14am PT
What goals do you have in mind?

Really want to do Cayesh (ambitious), Alpamayo, Coraz, Jager route on a peak whose name I can't spell at the moment, a few unclimbed faces and much more. 7 weeks!

Most of all, can't wait to eat cuy!!!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 7, 2013 - 11:44am PT
How dare those gringos own a nice truck and insult the masses with its shiny paint job.

I don't give a flying fuk about their nice truck, etc. Mine is nicer... but I don't take it to a 3rd world country where I don't speak the language (or Alabama for that matter), camp in some random location near a village/town I know nothing about, drink beers, refuse to show ID, and THEN get all upset when sh#t gets gnar. Gotta take responsibility for the sh#t you encounter on your adventures.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Feb 7, 2013 - 11:53am PT
Today's travel tip. Vitally - pack extra bear spray and you'll be fine.
mhay

climber
Reno, NV
Feb 7, 2013 - 11:58am PT
1000 posts on this soap opera! Nice!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 7, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
Wait, let's have a snack first.

THEN we'll go kick some gringo ass!
Credit: survival
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Feb 7, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
Vitaliy - you should encounter the cuy at some point. People raise them in their homes and they run around like a pack of rats. When its time to cook one up, the way to kill them is to pick them up by the head, and with a snap of the wrist you break their necks. Easy.

On the way to Machu Pichu you should go through the tourist town of Cuzco. There are two big cathedrals there, built by rival Catholic inquisitors, the Jesuits and some other kind, I forget. Off on the side vestibule there is a huge painting of the last supper, and there on the plate in front of Jesus is an upside down cuy with its legs in the air. No sh#t. Also if you look at the woodwork in there, you see the details are all very Andean looking. It's pretty much psychedelic, if you know the kind of patterns I'm talking about. Supposedly they always built the cathedrals on the ruins of demolished Inca temples, and would incorporate the symbols into the new church to try to add some continuity for the believers. Definitely go to Peru - the only thing really disappointing is the coca tea, which is in every single hotel. It didn't do a thing for me and I'd just rather have coffee.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Feb 7, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
can you see boobs in Peru?
more importantly, are they worth seeing?
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Feb 7, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
Nice Vitaly. Alpamayo is a gorgeous peak. Had some seasons where climbing wasn't optimal so hope you get a good one.

Look out for into on the Casarotto Route on Huascaran Norte. Not sure if that thing has even seen a second ascent, was a bold solo in it's time. All depends on the conditions of the route. Would be a proud send.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Feb 7, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
Off on the side vestibule there is a huge painting of the last supper, and there on the plate in front of Jesus is an upside down cuy with its legs in the air.

WOW Don Paul, you made my day. This is hilarious.

Beth, I will try to google it. Will be my first time in Peru and majority of the things my friend and I have planned come from suggestions from others/guidebook/lurking. So all suggestions are welcome, feel free to email me if you (or anyone else) have any! Our itinerary is flexible/conditions dependent.
Alpamayo is supposed to be super crowded, but I want to at least go and see it in person. Climbing it and seeing one of those gorgeous alpine-glows on it would be awesome.

Additions: Googled that face. It does not look that attractive to me. Looks hard and massive, but not very pretty in a striking way. To my taste. The route seen a second ascent supposedly. Very impressive to get on a face like that alone. http://www.summitpost.org/the-north-face-of-huascar-n-norte/827771
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 7, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
lumpy
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Feb 7, 2013 - 03:29pm PT
Can we not post pictures of dicks and sh#t? Some people work.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Feb 7, 2013 - 04:13pm PT
I found eating the Guniea Pig nasty but otherwise I had a fabulous time in Peru. So will you Vitaliy!! A lil Spanish goes a long way.

There are indeed paintings all over Cuzco, the Devil is portrayed as a conquistador. You may want to do a coupla days there to acclimatize.





stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Feb 7, 2013 - 04:46pm PT
I don't give a flying fuk about their nice truck, etc. Mine is nicer... but I don't take it to a 3rd world country where I don't speak the language (or Alabama for that matter), camp in some random location near a village/town I know nothing about, drink beers, refuse to show ID, and THEN get all upset when sh#t gets gnar. Gotta take responsibility for the sh#t you encounter on your adventures.

I have camped in some really poor parts of Mexico caving and we never encountered that sort of hostility. All of this class struggle stuff just sounds like guilt projection from certain people commenting here. And just what does "take responsibility" have to do with anything? Would they have been better off wearing tattered clothes and driving a '74 Dodge? Drinking beers is way different than what the locals do? Ha ha ha. Great stuff.

We typically gave whoever came to our campfires beers, food, smokes, whatever. But even if this young people didn't, did that justify what they got? You people who believe that are twisted.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 7, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
Whatever dude. My friends were robbed at gunpoint in Baja back in 1993. They played it cool and got out of it without physical harm. TK even said the robbers asked how the surfing had been.

People don't usually just fly off the handle and start stoning people because they have nice vehicles. If you want to act all tough and REFUSE to show any ID when you are camping on someone's land, drink beers where they usually ain't drunk, and not speak the language, you should be willing to deal with the results.

Ain't got nothing to do with class struggle stuff... it has to do with strangers showing up in a strange land and acting like they gots the right to camp wherever the fuk they please and not show nobody thems ID if thems don't want to. Funny that you keep trying to turn it into a "poor rich Americans were beaten just because they have nice stuff" issue. I'm surprised they made it as far as they did without more issues.

Besides, the story sounds like bullsh#t... 2 foot high road blocks out of what rocks? A cliff? I don't see no stinkin cliff.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Feb 7, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
Over here it's an insta-shit storm if you start asking for a foreigner's id. So, these particular Peruvians were the equivalent of those militia men dickholes we got infesting our borderlands?

A lot of Indian Jethroes and Joe Bobs, sounds like. I agree, you gotta watch those inbreds wherever you find them.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 7, 2013 - 06:18pm PT
Over here it's an insta-shit storm if you start asking for a foreigner's id.

Over here, if someone with Peruvian plates parked in your field, you'd either call the cops or go chat with them. If they didn't speak 'Merican, were drinking, and seemed disrespectful, you'd prolly get the authorities. From their story, that is exactly what happened.

If they kept giving 'tude, the situation is bound to escalate. Only difference is, over here we have cops that show up within the hour, usually. Over there I'm guessing it could take a while for cops to respond to the villagers... unless of course 'Mericans are involved.

So, these particular Peruvians were the equivalent of those militia men dickholes we got infesting our borderlands?

Sure, whatever. Or they are the equivalent of small town folks who get uneasy when strangers show up and act like dickholes. Go to a "village" up in WY (not Jackson, maybe Cody), set up camp wherever, pop a few beers, and start speaking in some strange foreign language. When an official asks for your papers, get in your car and drive away... then come racing back through town a little while later. If anyone gives you sh#t, blame it on them for being intolerant.

A lot of Indian Jethroes and Joe Bobs, sounds like. I agree, you gotta watch those inbreds wherever you find them.

Yup. Had my share of experiences in UT, NV, ID, and MT that would have turned out WAY worse if I had a worse 'tude towards the locals.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Feb 7, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
I am going to Peru this summer! Not sure if this is a good thread to spray about it... lol

If you were gnar gnar you would go to the village and ask if you can camp there

Hysterical!!
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 7, 2013 - 06:55pm PT
Mechrist version:

People don't usually just fly off the handle and start stoning people because they have nice vehicles. If you want to act all tough and REFUSE to show any ID when you are camping on someone's land, drink beers where they usually ain't drunk, and not speak the language, you should be willing to deal with the results.

Ain't got nothing to do with class struggle stuff... it has to do with strangers showing up in a strange land and acting like they gots the right to camp wherever the fuk they please and not show nobody thems ID if thems don't want to

Wolfrom version:
Joseph and Meghan have been driving for nine months from the United States through Central and South America, camping almost every night in their truck camper and have not yet experienced any violence or danger until this situation which occurred from December 29 to December 30, 2012. I flew into Cuzco, Peru on December 22, 2012 to meet my brother and his wife for a 10-day vacation. We stayed in Cuzco for a few days and then went into the mountains to hike a portion of the Asungate Mountain trek. We were in the mountains from December 25 to December 29.

On December 29, 2012, we left the mountains to drive back to Cuzco and towards our next destination of Macchu Picchu. It was getting dark and we knew that driving in the dark was dangerous, so we pulled down a dirt road to camp in the camper on the back of their truck. We pulled into a flat spot near a bridge in the village of Pallcca in the region of Ocongate, Peru at about 6:30 PM. We were drinking two beers between the three of us because it was my 30th birthday and we were celebrating. We were almost immediately approached by two village residents, who were friendly and who we asked if it was ok to park and camp where we had. They said yes. Soon, the two men were blowing whistles and using their cell phones to alert their friends of our presence and many more village residents started gathering around us, including the man who they called the Presidente. We recognized that he was the leader of the community and Meghan asked him directly if we could camp there and he said Yes. We were soon surrounded by indigenous village people who started asking us to give them our documents. We refused to show them our documents as they weren´t Policia and we were getting nervous about their pushiness and decided to leave. We told them we would leave and got into the truck. They wouldn´t let my brother shut his door and started picking up rocks. Joseph finally got his door shut and we drove off quickly in the opposite direction of where we came h
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 7, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
Joseph and Meghan have been driving for nine months from the United States through Central and South America, camping almost every night in their truck camper and have not yet experienced any violence or danger until this situation which occurred from December 29 to December 30, 2012

Lots of people here who have visited Peru with a guide, or just taken transportation directly to the climbing areas and think they know sh#t. Also, they think they are experts because nothing like this has ever happened to them while they are in Peru.

Unless you have gone an extended car camping trip in South America, the Wolfroms have much more experience with car camping there then you do. Nothing happened to them either, until one day something did happen.

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