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QITNL

climber
Jan 27, 2013 - 12:32am PT
Come and listen to a story about a man named Jed,
A poor mountaineer, barely kept his family fed.
Then one day he was trekking through Peru,
Came back with a thread about a bunch of boobs.

Ourselves, that is. White gold, Texas tacos.

Well the next thing you know, Jed's an Internet star,
Kinfolk said "Jed, here's a brand new car!"
"The Today Show is the place that you ought to be!"
So they loaded up their jet and flew to NYC.

K-E-Y, that is. M-O-U-S-E.

Well now it's time to say goodbye to Jed and all his kin.
And we would like to thank these folks for kindly posting in.
If they should ever stray back into our locality,
They'll get another heaping helping of our insecurity.

Off-season, this is. Set a spell, take your boots off.

Y'all come back now, y'hear?
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 27, 2013 - 08:29am PT
So many lies but it has all been said before..




 the Editor: The JHWeekly wrote: “local woman victim of vicious attack” and “Jackson woman abducted, assaulted, and robbed ”. You need to print a retraction/correction. No one was abducted. Abductors do not ask for your passport first, do not call the police afterward. Although all parties are known, no one has been charged with assault or robbery. Responsible journalism requires the JHWeekly print a retraction or at least now follow-up on the story to get the story right.
expatperu






"How long do you plan on traveling? At least a year, but in all honesty money dictates all. So if we can live cheap and maybe work along the way the sky is the limit." http://www.drivetheamericas.com/wiki/meg-and-jed So I guess "maybe work" and "scam people on the internet" are the same thing now.
hates scammers






pictures have surfaced from the morning when the police showed up. http://www.caretas.com.pe/Main.asp?T=3082&w=1&idG=62423&idI=74204
brad






Interview featured on the Today Show: http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50585772 Pictures of the damage: http://www.caretas.com.pe/Main.asp?T=3082&w=1&idG=62423&Idx=0#top




Well pretty much as I've been saying. Nice to see the photo. Can't imagine how you could crash the truck like that and not get bounced around inside and injured! Nothing new in seeing the villagers threw rocks at the truck after they were pushed, pepper sprayed and the delincuentes refused to identify themselves, ran like they had something to hide, drove threw and around barricades. Sad the interview was so feeble, repeating that Wolfrom silliness that “experienced travellers” don't show their passport, of course they do, or even a copy. And robbers and beaters don't ask to see your passport before they rob and beat you. (As per the mayor's comment: “delincuente” in Peru is the word they use for misbehaving youth that rob and create violence.) I mused about the “marched to a nearby village” part. Lets see. The truck crashed (however caused) and they ran into the dark thin cold night air bleeding from head trauma (however caused) so what would would you expect? The villagers would shrug and go back to their knitting? Would you? No, follow them and bring them back to the safety of the village and call the police. Calling the police is hardly the action of a group “going to kill them” and “beat” and “rob” them. But it sure does show that the villagers were not intent on abducting and robbing in an “organized” way as the Wolfroms state. Seems to be plenty of stuff still left in the truck. Or maybe the villagers just wanted to see the passports so the “men women and children” could be sure they beat and robbed the right people, you know, the children you see in the mantas on the backs of the women in the photo?
expatperu

toadgas

Social climber
los angeles
Jan 27, 2013 - 08:56am PT
Come and listen to a story about a man named Jed,
A poor mountaineer, barely kept his family fed.
Then one day he was trekking through Peru,
Came back with a thread about a bunch of boobs.

Ourselves, that is. White gold, Texas tacos.

Well the next thing you know, Jed's an Internet star,
Kinfolk said "Jed, here's a brand new car!"
"The Today Show is the place that you ought to be!"
So they loaded up their jet and flew to NYC.

K-E-Y, that is. M-O-U-S-E.

Well now it's time to say goodbye to Jed and all his kin.
And we would like to thank these folks for kindly posting in.
If they should ever stray back into our locality,
They'll get another heaping helping of our insecurity.

Off-season, this is. Set a spell, take your boots off.

Y'all come back now, y'hear?


^^^^^^^^^


now that is GREAT stuff...worth a re-read...



it's like the trustafarian-hillbilly blues!


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cuvvy

Sport climber
arkansas
Jan 27, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
Riley
Youre one screwed up person
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 29, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
Cuvvy, I disagree. Rily Wyna has gone over the top a lot on this thread, but generally he is sound.

WTF would you know anyway, unless you are a lurker. You have only been posting here since November. Give the guy a break. He is in a high-pressured job, helping to save people, and he has seen through Armstrong's lies, slander, suits, of hurting people.

So he has been way OTT on this thread. Over the years on most threads he comes across as very sensible. But being a noobie, you probably did not know that. No offense.

Best wishes and safe climbing
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 29, 2013 - 03:31pm PT
Patrick speaks the truth. I don't agree with Riley on this thread, but he is generally sound, just not on this thread. I emailed him saying that one of us was wrong and would have to eat crow. LOL.
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Jan 29, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
Those photos are great. They all look pretty shaken up after that serious car accident!
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Jan 29, 2013 - 04:06pm PT
I know, last time I got high centered in a ditch my car was totaled and I barely escaped with my life! What's weirder is that my window fractured in exactly such a way that it looked like it had been hit by blunt objects.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Jan 29, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
I guess one should beware of ditches?

atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Jan 29, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
Glad you escaped with your life Pat. Is your paypal account still active?
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Jan 29, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
You crack me up atch, but still come on, look at those injuries... they were not caused by the truck running into the ditch, that is pretty obvious.

Also, I didn't set up a paypal account, my friends did it for me.
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Jan 29, 2013 - 04:46pm PT
I agree, I think some were caused by pepper-spraying the locals.

Cheers,
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Jan 29, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
Fair enough, we are all creating our own stories here for our own reasons, including me.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 30, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
some were caused by pepper-spraying the locals.

You mean the local lynch mob that had attacked them BEFORE they pepper-sprayed them in an effort to get away.
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Jan 30, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
atchafalaya:
some were caused by pepper-spraying the locals.

graniteclimber:
You mean the local lynch mob that had attacked them BEFORE they pepper-sprayed them in an effort to get away.

Timeline is everything in this very fluid situation. As I recall from reading the original report these three pulled up somewhere outside the village, parked and were eventually approached by a few of the locals. The three Americans asked if they could camp for the night and were told they could. Locals left and soon Americans heard whistles being blown from the direction of the village. A larger group of locals approach and demand passports. Americans refuse. An argument ensues with the Americans eventually deciding to hightail it outta there, jump in the truck attempting to drive off. The truck is pummeled with rocks. They drive in the wrong direction for several minutes only to learn that they have to drive back the way they came. Roadblocks are skirted as more rocks rain down upon them. They drive into a ditch and can go no further. More rocks. They jump out of the truck and bear mace is used on some locals as they run away. More rocks. They're caught, brought back to the village and held through the night. Police are called in the morning.

It's very easy for me to see this happening. It's easy for me to see how the locals would be highly suspicious of folks unknown to them parking at dusk just outside of their village. It's easy for me to see how the Americans would be reluctant to give up passports to a group of people they had no knowledge of having the power to demand them. It's easy to see how the locals would become even more uneasy at the refusal of the Americans to identify themselves. It's easy to see how misunderstanding due to the language barrier might have facilitated all of this.

If I found myself in this same, unfortunate situation, with escalating tensions, it's pretty easy to see myself simply trying to leave. And once leaving, if I found myself under assault from a barrage of rocks I could easily see myself fearing for my life. And, having to turn around and run the gauntlet again, subsequently crashing the vehicle all while still being pummeled with rocks, you can be gawdamned sure that I would hesitate not one second to use bear mace to try to get away. Or maybe it would be better to just stand there while you and your two female companions possibly get brained.

Again, timeline. I haven't seen anything discrediting their sequence of events. If anyone has a credible alternative please post it up. Credible, not hearsay, not "I bet. .. . ", not "probably. .. .. ". Anything less than credible is nothing more than gnashing of the teeth in an attempt to bash these guys with zero evidence.

Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:43am PT
Where are the tall rock barricades? Just a truck in a ditch. No rocks seen anywhere. Lots of green grass and wet road.

http://www.caretas.com.pe/Main.asp?T=3082&w=1&idG=62423&Idx=0#top

http://www.caretas.com.pe/Main.asp?T=3082&w=1&idG=62423&Idx=5#top

THESE are the vicious locals who did this to them?

http://www.caretas.com.pe/Main.asp?T=3082&w=1&idG=62423&Idx=4#top

The photos don't add up to the story.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:48am PT
It's easy to try to second-guess what they did. They said they got bad vibes and their instincts said to run.

From the way they were treated, specifically the way the women were treated, I say that their instincts were right. You can call it sexism if you want, but in most places, even in primitive third world villages "decent people" would have shown more restraint in the treatment of the women, especially if it had been the man who had done the driving and used the pepper spray.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:53am PT


Yeah, it was green grass that smashed up the windshield.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:05am PT
Where are the tall rock barricades? Just a truck in a ditch. No rocks seen anywhere. Lots of green grass and wet road.

Is that the Fox News version?

Read the article. The pictures were taken in the morning when they finally called the real cops, 11 HOURS LATER.

Remember how they stated that their attackers had called the cops only after they were forced to sign a statement saying that it was just a car accident? If that was their cover story, the first thing they would have done is remove the barricades. You can say that they made up the story, but you can't say that the lack of a barricade in the picture is not consistent with their story.

As an ex-reporter Fluoride, I'm surprised this didn't occur to you. But I guess people just see what they want to see, and that goes for "reporters" also.

This Peruvian newspaper believes their story a lot more than some here.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:09am PT
Google's Translation

http://www.caretas.com.pe/Main.asp?T=3082&idE=1085&idS=242

Tourism Three Americans who did a tour in his trailer are brutally attacked by members of the community in full Ocongate route to Machu Picchu.
Tourism and Misadventure
PHOTOS PDF

Sunday December 30, 7:30 am. Wolfrom Jed, his wife and his sister Meghan Doherty Jennifer after 11 hours of savage beating.
Jed Husbands Wolfrom and Meghan Doherty said goodbye to the cold state of Wyoming, USA, 9 months ago.
Thousands of miles separated the pair of Patagonia, in Argentina, the final destination of a unique journey through Latin America that started on April 1, 2012.

They stopped in Cusco, Dec. 22, to meet with Jennifer Wolfrom, Jed's sister, and celebrate Christmas and New Year.

Peru did not imagine that hell would know.

On Saturday December 29 were viciously attacked by 30 farmers of Pallca, a small town 20 minutes Ocongate District, and part of the tourist corridor that leads to Machu Picchu.

They were rescued by the police, but his condition was lamentable: the three tourists needed 100 points to suture wounds and Jed mouth practically rebuilt.
Ocongate What happened in?

CROSSING
Jed and Meghan met in 2005 when skied at Jackson Hole resort and before you even think about having kids, being framed as a route to cross the continent.
They bought a caravan Toyota Tacoma TRD, which named it "The Hood Rat" (The Hooded rat) and created the blog "Adventure Americas" as a sort of diary while a hook to attract sponsors.

The wheels were set in motion.

They left Wyoming on April 1, 2012 and toured California, Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Costa Rica, Panama, Colombia and Ecuador. crossed the border into Peru on December 21 and, as it could not be otherwise, Direct enrumbaron to Cusco.


Jennifer (30), Jed's sister, his vacations to join the pilgrimage in Cusco.

The trio spent exploring the Ausangate Christmas. Started back to go to Machu Picchu, on Saturday 29.

The night surprised them halfway, so they decided to park the caravan up to Pallca, a town 20 minutes from Ocongate. They planned to camp there. It was 6:30 pm.

Two villagers emerged from the shadows and approached them blowing their whistles to alert neighbors. Suddenly, the Americans found themselves surrounded.

NIGHTMARE IN Pallca
They asked for our documents and we refused because they were police. Pressure we looked nervous. We said we were better, but they would not let my brother closed the door, "said Jennifer on her blog.
Jed floored the accelerator, but the mob blocked the road and began throwing stones.

The nightmare had begun.

Tourists used two pepper spray, which further exacerbated the crowd.

A Jennifer beat her face Jed and beat him to the point of break his four front teeth.

In the midst of despair, the three tourists escaped. "We ran for our lives for an hour, dodging hills and rivers. Projectile receive multiple blows to the head and body until we surrender. We were captured by farmers and brought back to the community. We were covered in blood, "said Jennifer.

They were taken to school Pallca where stripped of all their belongings for U.S. $ 10.695.

"Many of the men and women screamed kill us. We never stop to apologize for the misunderstanding, but they replied with beatings and whippings with ropes in the middle of the interrogation muleteer, "said Jennifer.

"At 5:00 am, after 11 hours of beatings, we returned to the van. All windows and the jacket had been destroyed. They ransacked the interior and objects scattered in the mud. We ordered the police wait before towing the truck, "he continued.

Four police officers since Ocongate, including Commissioner Hernan Peralta, Pallca arrived at 7:30 am.

The photographs open this report correspond to the time: Jed Wolfrom seen his face bloodied by the caravan Toyota, tilted in a ditch beside the road.

Meghan Doherty and Jennifer Wolfrom appear there too, covered in blood and mud.

"Obviously it was not an accident but an attack. During the nights tend to steal cattle trucks parked, crime is very common in this area. Most likely you have mistaken the rustlers, considering that they would not identify themselves and fled at full speed, "said Ensign CARETAS Peralta.

Another version is that environmentalists have been alleged inciting the villagers to intervene to any stranger who trespasses on their territory and find out the reasons for their presence. They are alert for extracting soil samples under the suspicion that it would be a mining concession with the state, which would end banishment.

None of this, of course, justifies the savagery with which acted Ocongate commoners.

The incident occurred in a remote location as Uchuraccay (see column Gorriti), but on the main tourist route in the country.

This definitely hurts tourism, creating panic.

On January 10, shortly before returning to the U.S., and Meghan took leave of Peru in his Facebook profile: "Just one more week to get out of trajinadas finally here." (Alvaro Arce)
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