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Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:44am PT
It never ceases to amaze me the truely thoughtless things people will say. Wasting time on them is futile. Take a breath, step back, and allow them to lynch themselves.

I care more about my dogs than those Dumb asses in Peru.

Same here about my cats!

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 14, 2013 - 03:33am PT
Granite - seriously - give it up dude - you are way off on this one.


When thinking and writing about fascism this morning and yesterday i realised what interested me and bothered me so much about this subject.
I have actually already alluded to it and written about it plenty on this thread.
It is not flattering at all to see the remarkably fascist fabric of American exceptionalism manipulated with such ease.
coz

Boulder climber
Belmont
Jan 14, 2013 - 04:21am PT
Up early and off to work but before I go....

GC, STFU!!!!!!

How dare u bring up the memory of one of my best friends and drag Anatasia through this crap.

The only comparison is in ur twisted mind.

I really like how u tease some big egos here, I do, but ur crossing the line.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:04am PT
they wrecked their rig as a result and got some cuts and dental problems

You left out the part where they were chased down, stoned, kidnapped, beat and whipped and threatened with death. Not just the driver, but also the two women who happened to be in the truck?

Where did you work as a reporter again? Fox News? You didn't think that was important?

Didn't your own run-in with authorities end with you in injured and in a drunk tank? Didn't the authorities state that you were intoxicated and uncooperative, and whatever injuries you suffered you caused yourself? I would have thought you would be more understanding, or at least a little less judgmental.

one of my best friends

That's what this is about isn't it? We won't stand for criticism of ourselves, our good friends or our personal heroes, especially if they are climbers. If they are world-class athletes, that's even better. Any mistakes should be overlooked and forgiven. Because they're awesome!

But people we don't know who aren't climbers, or who we ignorantly dismiss as not being climbers--if they make mistakes or we think we made mistakes, they suck, and while we're at it we'll just call them liars, without needing any real evidence. We'll just fabricate and twist the facts in the worst possible light. The driver--he sucks! His wife and sister? They're in the same car with him so they suck also. The people who believe them and supported them--they all suck! They need help? LOL - should have had a back up plan! While we're at it, let's post up that they suck so bad that helping a dog should be a higher priority then helping them. Because they suck.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:17am PT
GC treads harshly but there are a few grains of truth to his blasphemy, and I for one am guilty.

Like I said somewhere back at the start of this thread, there are lessons to be learned, a teachable moment.
John M

climber
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:21am PT
The difference is.. they might actually suck. We know John and Anastasia don't suck. We don't know if these people do.

It appears to me that both made mistakes. Lots of us have driven when exhausted. Thankfully few of us have paid as heavy a price. I would wager that fewer of us would have made the same mistakes these folks appear to have. I say appear to because I also am not willing to immediately jump to their crucifixion.

I'm also believe that if that list that was made for the police of their stolen items and their value had not been posted on the
world wide web, then more people would be more forgiving of these peoples mistakes.

Hopefully they will learn from their mistakes. I know this much. I am much more likely to pull over now and get a few hours shuteye when driving and I get tired. But then I am also older.. :-)

Edit:

GC treads harshly but there are a few grains of truth to his blasphemy, and I for one am guilty.

Agreed.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:24am PT
I've made lots of bad mistakes myself, I've just been lucky that they have not had serious consequences.

I am much better about driving when sleep deprived because of what happened to John and several others who posted about it. Years ago, that could have been me.

If I am in a similar situation to what happened in Peru and and it has a better ending, it will be because I learned from their experience.
TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:28am PT
This tread is dead.
TY
toadgas

Trad climber
los angeles
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:31am PT
point 2 giant canisters of bear spray at angry villagers and spray em


the dumbest fuking behavior imaginable



end of story
John M

climber
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:32am PT
I traveled to an area and did the best I could to positively interact with the locals. Being as respectful as I could and attempting to mind all of their local customs.

I still got a beat down.

My mistake?

I showed up.


what culture?

Southern california surf.

:-)
Ian Westmoreland

climber
Jackson
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:44am PT
http://www.jhnewsandguide.com/gallery_browse.php?dir=1&lim=0
coz

Boulder climber
Belmont
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:48am PT
There is no comparison, what so ever... absolutely nothing.

GC, your case would be laugh at in any court or jury of peers.

You're just trying to stir the pot, and using peoples' close friends and people who have suffered direct experience with the tragedy and said events.

Joining in your debate would lower the persons involved to the same level of stupidity.

I'm sure you're a smart man, or women, I have no idea... but your rant is borderline vindictive and ur clearly bored, when many times your perspective is spot on and can be quite clever and entertaining.

Just let this one go, buddy....

graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 14, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
GC, your case would be laugh at in any court or jury of peers.

You're just trying to stir the pot, and using peoples' close friends and people who have suffered direct experience with the tragedy and said events.

Joining in your debate would lower the persons involved to the same level of stupidity.

I'm sure you're a smart man, or women, I have no idea... but your rant is borderline vindictive and ur clearly bored, when many times your perspective is spot on and can be quite clever and entertaining.

No, I am serious. If you think what I'm saying is stupid, maybe you can explain that to me.

I think that we judge other people's actions, we should give strangers the same consideration we give to close friends and family. If you'd give a close friend of your's a "free pass" for something, then don't be so judgmental when a stranger does the same thing.

As it is, two of the people most vocally calling out the Wolfroms for making mistakes in their confrontations with the villagers/authorities each have a history that includes a violent confrontation with uniformed police after they mishandled their confrontation with authorities. To them I have to say, if you can't properly handle confrontation with a uniformed cop in the U.S., maybe you wouldn't handle a confrontation with shadowy non-uniformed "authorities" or a large angry mob any better then the Wolfroms did.

I think that many of the posts in this thread are not just borderline vindictive, they are over-the-top vindictive, and I'm calling bullshit on that.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
I would like to reiterate that I have absolutely no connection to the Wolframs, lime-green nano puffs, or the cookie monster.

Yes, this is my first post, and it is looking that it may hit 1000. As my grandfather used to say: even a broken clock is right twice a day.
coz

Gym climber
Belmont
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
OK,

You make a good point..

I just think, Peru is a poor USA exploited country. To drive an expensive van or whatever down there, refuse to show your papers when asked, spray pepper spray at the locals, then cry when you're attacked is just lame, sorry.

How it compares to JB falling asleep at the wheel driving home from a trade show, is beyond me.

Finally, these rich Americans, asking for a fund raiser to replace their gear instead of trying to help the people of Peru, seems even more arrogant, clueless, uneducated and lame.

I was express kidnapped in Mexico City, after going to a cartel own strip club. I took full responsibility for my clue-less behavior and luckily escaped with my life, I certainly wouldn't ask for a fundraiser.

JB, unlike Largo, myself and others was a poor money manager, and hugely in-debt, many of his friends wanted to help him out, he never asked.

Seems Apples and Oranges, but I have work to do, when Reilly wakes up, I'm sure he'll solve all this for us....…LOL

WBraun

climber
Jan 14, 2013 - 03:46pm PT
IF .....

Their story is completely true.

As >>> (No one here seems to know any absolute truth to this beyond any shadow of doubt)

Why would they even want to help the very same people who had just tried to kill them?

:-)

And yes this thread is stupid, and I'm stupid for even posting in it .......
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 14, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
How can you be stupid? Are you even American?






And one thing seems glaringly obvious in this whole conversation;

Coz needs to do a TR about this Mexico City strip club, no "ifs", "ands", or "butts".











edit: nice post-reposting Werner. Truck empire ain't no fluke!
SalNichols

Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
Jan 14, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it's a duck. We've ALL seen this before...stupid upper middle class white kid goes into the wrong'hood to score and gets his dad's Audi jacked and his ass kicked...but he gets lucky and lives, but of course omits the bit about the drug deal. He was robbed for no damn reason by mean black men...or Mexicans. I strongly suspect that this never happened at all, that it's merely a twist on the Nigerian scam..."this is your brother Bob, and I need money to get home from London". If it DID happen, it was a drug deal gone sideways...sharing a beer with the locals..."hey can we score some....." and there you go. Their story doesn't pass my sniff test.

On a more serious note...on Christmas Eve some idiot pulled out in front of me at an intersection and I t-boned him, totaling my vehicle. Now, I know how you all love dogs, and it would be a shame, if not borderline in humane for my girlfriends idiot Maltese to ride to the beach in Pacifica in the back of an old truck. So, I urge you to visit www.pleasebuyBlackiesowneranewAudiAllroad.com. I assure you, it's just as valid a cause as the Peruvian scammers, except that I really will buy a new Allroad if enough of you are gullible enough to send me $60K.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 18, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
This is the way kickstarter is suppose to work. "My name is Bar..."

http://www.kickstarter.com.funnyordie.com/projects/83719047/sex-tape#



pvalchev

Social climber
Mountain View, CA / Calgary, AB
Jan 27, 2013 - 12:20am PT
I heard they were on the today show and just found it (3-4min):
hulu link
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