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mooser

Trad climber
seattle
Feb 5, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
Incredible. Just...incredible.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 5, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
Not that I have an opinion on any of the who did what, but when I had first read the quote where the local constable(or whomever it was) said they thought they were (a word which translated to cattle rustlers), I wondered if that same word might be used to describe people who come to kidnap children to then sell for adoption. Or worse(I just discovered, which you will, to below).


From: The 10 Reasons Children Go Missing, on MissingChildrenInternational
Link: http://missingchildreninternational.org/articles/ten_reasons_why_children_disappear.html

4. The world we live in is no stranger to one of the biggest reasons many of our children disappear without a trace. Many children are abducted and sold for body parts throughout the United States, Central America, South America and Europe. The Internet has become one of the greatest sources of business and the organized underground business is one of the most successful businesses anywhere in the world.

Can you imagine having the need of life and searching the Internet and finding a broker who can find you the organ of your choice? Here in the U.S.A., in Mexico, El Salvador, Costa Rica, anywhere in Central, North and South America, anywhere for a price you can pay for and get the organ of your choice. If you don't believe it, search the net right here right now in Orange County, New York or anyplace in the world.

Many missing children are abducted and sold for these body parts. This is a multi-million dollar a year business. Be careful when your child is talking to a friendly little girl in a chat room. The Internet is worldwide and sometimes deceptive. The chat room your child uses could be somewhere in Mexico or New York, India, The Middle east or Korea . Your child could be talking to anyone, anywhere with the touch of a button, so close.


I can EASILY see a village kicking ass and kicking it HARD if they feared those people were there to steal their precious sons and daughters.

Those people don't look like cattle thieves but "two nice young ladies" to lure an innocent child and a stronger male for making the grab....


I really had no idea about the body parts thing.



OFF - TOPIC
And while we're at it, take a read on the #5 reason children disappear, according to that link.

Next time you see that pretty young blond at the local tittie bar, or in the whorehouse, for those who use them - look into the eyes of that young lady and see if you can any longer tell yourself they are choosing to be there.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 5, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
Happie, that could be a variation on the Pishtaco myth.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2033922&msg=2041850#msg2041850
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 5, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
I was shot at with a handgun down there from a car becuase my friend 'fingered' them, weird stuff does happen from the locals you may not expect.

"fingered them"? Does this mean giving them the middle-finger? That could get you shot in parts of the U.S also.
happiegrrrl

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Feb 5, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
GraniteClimber - Can you clarify what you meant by a "variation?" I read about the Pistacho, but my link refers to modern criminal activity, and the link is coming from an international aid organization. Stealing children is no myth.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 5, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

U.S.: 4.8 intentional homicides per 100,000.
Peru: 10.3 intentional homicides per 100,000.

So there are more than twice as many intentional homicides in Peru then in the U.S. per capita. So much for Peru being as safe as the U.S.

If you're reading the thread about the murders in Mexico, you'll see posts claiming that Mexico is also just as safe as the U.S. That's not true because Mexico had 22.7 intentional homicides per 100,000, making it more dangerous than both the U.S and Peru.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 5, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
The world we live in is no stranger to one of the biggest reasons many of our children disappear without a trace. Many children are abducted and sold for body parts throughout the United States, Central America, South America and Europe.


Happie, I don't believe it. Without any evidence, this is just another crazy conspiracy theory. Also, that's not the web site of any reputable "international international aid organization." To me it just looks like advertisement for a private investigator. http://missingchildreninternational.org/about_us.html

Can you give me an example of a SINGLE child that was abducted in the United States (or any of the other countries listed) and sold for "body parts."

Most of us don't even think of children used as pawns for a big price. Young blonde girls are kidnapped and sold for prostitution. This happens mostly in Middle Eastern Countries. Many of them have been know throughout history to love and enjoy young white blonde girls. Korea and Japan are also part of this corruption, or perversion. There are men and women who love and enjoy being around these young children. It is possible that some young boys and girls are kidnapped for a bigger purpose, breeding.

Can you give me a a single example of a white blonde child kidnapped in the United States for the purpose of being used as a prostitute in a brothel in the Middle East or Korea or Japan?

This is our version of the Pishtaco myth.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 5, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
Next time you see that pretty young blond at the local tittie bar... look into the eyes of that young lady...

That would be missing the point. Besides, I prefer brunettes.

... and see if you can any longer tell yourself they are choosing to be there.

You could play the same game with 99% of the young ladies that work at fast food joints, only it wouldn't be nearly as fun.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:05pm PT


This fuking thread has been beaten to death and BACK...

WTF???...

graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
^^^^^^

And you're still here reading it and posting on it.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
Happie, I don't believe it.

Then perhaps you could take a moment out of your day and peruse the links from the search queary I did, which was "are children kidnapped in SouthAmerica to be adopted by US people?"

The results are here:
http://www.google.com/search?q=are+children+kidnapped+in+SouthAmerica+to+be+adopted+by+US+people%3F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

One of the top links is a New York Times article about kidnapped children being put up as adoptables. However, the story is about the country of China, so I suppose that doesn't offer any proof that it could be happeneing in South America... even though SA babies are often a consideration for potential adoptive parents here in the US.

Also, that's not the web site of any reputable "international international aid organization." To me it just looks like advertisement for a private investigator.

Look at the footer, which indicates: "Missing Children International is a California Non Profit Organization 501(c)(3)"

I think it would be a conflict of interest to run a for-profit detective agency under the guise of a registered Not-For.



MeChrist - That is vile. But just more of what the Supertopo admin has tacitly agreed is acceptable content on their site. It still makes you vermin to post it, though.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:14pm PT


"^^^^^^

And you're still here reading it and posting on it."
...


Are you somehow offended by what I wrote or do you take EVERYTHING personally???...

LOL!!!...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
Whatever happie. I have a couple friends that were strippers. They made A FUKING KILLING and used it as a stepping stone for their lives/careers. From what I can tell, they live happy lives with very happy hubbies.

Of course sex trafficking is horrible... but that doesn't mean every pair of tits on the intardweb or every pastie at a strip club belongs to someone who has been taken advantage of. And it CERTAINLY doesn't mean anyone who enjoys looking at them supports sex trafficing... any more than someone who smokes pot supports the Taliban's heroin trade.

Get over it... or get out there and do something that actually makes a difference. Bitching about tits on the internet is the new pathetic.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:18pm PT


"Bitching about tits on the internet is the new pathetic."...

AMEN!!!...

atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
Keep the Motherf*#king magic alive!XOXOX
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
Happie,

Look at the footer, which indicates: "Missing Children International is a California Non Profit Organization 501(c)(3)"

So what, do you know how easy it is to form a 501(c)(3)organization?

I think it would be a conflict of interest to run a for-profit detective agency under the guise of a registered Not-For.

You can own a business and also a 501(c)(3) and spray about the business on the 501(c)(3) web site. The business is legally separate. http://melendezandassociates.com/about.html Read that and decide whether that is someone you trust.

The "About Us" section of the MSI site just sprays about the detective. http://missingchildreninternational.org/about_us.html



Some questions for you, Happie.

How many employees does MSI have?

What are its gross receipts?

They claim to be "international" - what international operations do they have?

How many children has MSI helped find? MSI's home page claims that MSI is "staffed with expert detectives that can assist you and the public in helping to find lost, missing children and runaway teens. If you are missing a loved one and need assistance, please phone us at any time 24 hours a day for a free, confidential discussion of how we may be able to help."

Have they found even one? How many "expert detectives" are on their staff?

I searched for MSI's Form 990 but the Foundation Center database only has 2003 and 2002 and shows that their gross receipts are not normally more than $25,000 per year. At this level, they are not required to file returns. How many reputable international aid organizations do you know that have a budget of less than $25,000 per year?

http://990finder.foundationcenter.org/990results.aspx?990_type=&fn=missing+children+international&st=CA&zp=&ei=&fy=&action=Find




The bottom line is that you were fooled by their web site, Happie.


Edit: The MSI web site claims " Melendez made the press for solving the highly reported 1997 murder of young Denise Huber, an Orange County child whose killer was captured and remains behind bars." But this is not supported by this news article from the time. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19940718&id=vN9WAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ousDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5512,4478897 You can argue over what "solving" means, but there's nothing indicating that the police found her though this efforts.




Edit:
MeChrist - That is vile. But just more of what the Supertopo admin has tacitly agreed is acceptable content on their site. It still makes you vermin to post it, though.

I didn't think so, because I think that in the U.S. at least, most strippers are making a lot more money and are lot happier about their jobs then people working at McDonalds. Also, they work in strip joints because they want to, not because someone is making them. Why don't you talk to some, Happie?
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
Keep the Motherf*#king magic alive!XOXOX

Robert L. Chalfant, Esq., your posts used to have content worth reading. Now all you post is crap. If you posted something worthwhile recently, I haven't read it.

You killed whatever magic you used to have.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
My post was originally intended SIMPLY to say that PERHAPS it made sense the villagers were freaked out because they thought the travelers could be there to steal children.

It was a pretty simply point, and there is no need for me to be required to step and style to your demands to provide "proof" of your tangential point.

Ignore the fact that children are kidnapped throughput the world, or that women are forced into prostitution, because you wouldn't dare take the time to be concerned it may be truem if you must. I can see how life would be much easier that way for.

As for what I "do" - you wouldn't be able to handle "what I do" and what I have done; I am fairly certain of that.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
My post was originally intended SIMPLY to say that PERHAPS it made sense the villagers were freaked out because they thought the travelers could be there to steal children.

And you had a legitimate point... then you got distracted by boobies. Happens to the best of us.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:54pm PT

You buy a FRUITCAKE and what you get is a fuking FRUITCAKE...

NOTHING you can do about it...

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