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Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:25am PT
You are stuck on some rocks? Easter island, the pyramids, and you think so low of these guys you don't think they could collect a pile of measly road block stones like any other self respecting village? No respect.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:41am PT
It's amazing how often people get off on their own tangents or their own knee jerk political responses, etc etc, etc.
I have been trying to think of an analogy for this thread - the best I can come up with is a Calculus class where a few folks have already got it, a few will never get it, a few haven't even opened the book and the rest are strung out in various corners of not understanding.

It doesn't matter if anyone is nice or not - is poor or not - deserved anything or not - are Peruvian or not - are American or not, or any other feeling, belief, hate, fear, love or whatever anyone can come up with.

All that matters is the truth of the situation and the truth of the details!
You don't even have to know what they are lying about - the sister tells us enough with her own words for us to know that the way they depict their victimization is simply not true.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Feb 8, 2013 - 08:14am PT
As for me, I'm amazed at the armchair quarterbacks who seriously think their half-informed pronouncements merit any respect whatsoever. ST: Solving the world's issues daily... riiiigghht.
WBraun

climber
Feb 8, 2013 - 08:20am PT
This thread should really be titled:

"Help climbers viciously attacked by internet forums"
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Feb 8, 2013 - 08:50am PT
As anyone from over there on the guns thread could tell you, more firepower would have solved the problem once and for all. (for either side)
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 09:21am PT
You are stuck on some rocks? Easter island, the pyramids, and you think so low of these guys you don't think they could collect a pile of measly road block stones like any other self respecting village? No respect.

I see... you are suggesting they built a 2 foot high rock roadblock across a 20 foot wide road, and then moved all the rocks completely out of sight before any pictures were taken. Those devious country folk!

I've built 2' high rock retaining walls... it takes WAY more rock than is available at that site... WAY more (I see 1 rock bigger than 6" and a few that are ~4"). I'm willing to bet my worthless prospective degree on it. It also takes WAY longer to construct and deconstruct than the story allows.

There is AMPLE room to drive on the other side of the road, the one with "the cliff" not the ditch, where the town folk are gathered.

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Feb 8, 2013 - 09:31am PT
I see... you are suggesting they built a 2 foot high rock roadblock across a 20 foot wide road, and then moved all the rocks out of sight before any pictures were taken. Those devious country folk!

But you see, you don't see anything really. I don't really care ;). My point is nobody here seems to know anything for sure yet we all have some burning points to make that seem to point out more about us than anything that may or may not have happened.

In short, I'm not going to delve too deeply in what was surely a rushed, adrenaline-fueled observation of this purported wall, but if it really grabs yah by the small folds have at it. It just continues to seem dicky to throw stones at some people who were undeniably hurt (whatever the mechanism), and then slander them based on evidence that could go either way. Buncha armchair quarterbacks touting a buncha flawed evidence like it's gospel.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Feb 8, 2013 - 09:34am PT
QITNL, that was hilarious!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 09:37am PT
I've spent way too much of my life looking at rocks, geomorphology, and soils to allow anyone to claim a 2' wall was built across the road using native stone. Same thing if someone shows me a picture of southern Utahesque sandstone and claims they are glacial erratics... or a picture of Pinnacles and tells me there is good climbing there. I know better and nothing anyone can say changes the geologic truth revealed in the landscape.

peas
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2013 - 09:43am PT
So, youchrist, have there been humans on the moon?
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Feb 8, 2013 - 09:48am PT
And the rocks is just one of dozens of things that are wrong with the story.

In short, I'm not going to delve too deeply in what was surely a rushed, adrenaline-fueled observation of this purported wall, but if it really grabs yah by the small folds have at it. It just continues to seem dicky to throw stones at some people who were undeniably hurt (whatever the mechanism), and then slander them based on evidence that could go either way. Buncha armchair quarterbacks touting a buncha flawed evidence like it's gospel.

That is what you don't seem to get!
Just becuase you can't see it at all - it doesn't mean it isn't very, very easy for a few other people to figure out.
This occurs all the time on here - you are caught on the wrong end of a losing argument whether you ever know it or not.

I am told you have travelled once in your life and you got your ass kicked- so i do understand why you have a vested emotional interest in believing this bullsh#t.
In other words it might not all be chalked up to intelligence in your case.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 09:50am PT
Of course there has
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 09:54am PT
Given the position of the car in the ditch, it is obvious they were driving off the road for some reason, and tried to get back on when they got stuck in the ditch. A point ignored by everyone. Most likely what they were driving around is a ways back. Road blocks made of rocks are apparently a common tactic in this region. a picture http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/1a7baf/ Who says they all collected the rocks in an instant? My guess is the rocks would be already collected and sitting in a pile ready to be dispersed (would make sense if they had problems with thieves), or would be an extension of rock walls in the area perhaps further back than the picture would show. Or maybe they are lying. Point is we all have an agenda here and are interpreting the pictures as we see fit.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 09:58am PT
Most likely what they were driving around is a ways back.

You mean, like right around here?



I don't care how many villagers you have, you ain't gonna get THIS v from THAT ^



And you sure as sh#t not gonna get THAT ^ out of every single picture taken from various different angles.
Jim Clipper

climber
from: forests to tree farms
Feb 8, 2013 - 10:02am PT
Must be photoshopped. Those mountains have no rocks, and those simple country folk know nothing about building walls!






















Credit: Jim Clipper
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 10:07am PT
The pictures say nothing confirming OR denying a wall. Keep in mind the picture was taken the day after the incident had occurred and the villagers probably wanted to hide their involvement if they indeed were involved.

Look at the where the truck is, why were they driving off road? Don't give me that drunk crap, look at their blog, there is no history of them getting wasted and partying it up. Two beers between three people does not do this to you. All the other picture shows is the ditch running a short ways back, they were probably driving on the opposite side of it before what the picture shows.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 10:07am PT
Missing the point bud. The biggest rock in ANY of their pictures is the one by her foot. No rocks in front of them, no rocks behind them.



I don't care how many cities your ancestors built, you can't build a 2 foot high road block with a couple rocks.

(Going back for that picture I realized Fluoride already picked up on this discrepancy in the story. Credit where credit is due... geologist by chance? Or maybe just observant.)


Maybe they thought they were on this road...

pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 10:10am PT
Really ME? I see a hell of a lot more rocks in that picture than one.

Edit to add.. Nice edit. I see a hell of a lot more rocks in the picture of the Wolfroms than one.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 8, 2013 - 10:12am PT
Okay, there might be 3. There certainly ain't enough to build a 2 foot high roadblock.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 8, 2013 - 10:13am PT
Look closer.
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