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Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Feb 7, 2013 - 10:07am PT
Vitaliy - you should encounter the cuy at some point. People raise them in their homes and they run around like a pack of rats. When its time to cook one up, the way to kill them is to pick them up by the head, and with a snap of the wrist you break their necks. Easy.

On the way to Machu Pichu you should go through the tourist town of Cuzco. There are two big cathedrals there, built by rival Catholic inquisitors, the Jesuits and some other kind, I forget. Off on the side vestibule there is a huge painting of the last supper, and there on the plate in front of Jesus is an upside down cuy with its legs in the air. No sh#t. Also if you look at the woodwork in there, you see the details are all very Andean looking. It's pretty much psychedelic, if you know the kind of patterns I'm talking about. Supposedly they always built the cathedrals on the ruins of demolished Inca temples, and would incorporate the symbols into the new church to try to add some continuity for the believers. Definitely go to Peru - the only thing really disappointing is the coca tea, which is in every single hotel. It didn't do a thing for me and I'd just rather have coffee.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Feb 7, 2013 - 10:14am PT
can you see boobs in Peru?
more importantly, are they worth seeing?
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Feb 7, 2013 - 10:46am PT
Nice Vitaly. Alpamayo is a gorgeous peak. Had some seasons where climbing wasn't optimal so hope you get a good one.

Look out for into on the Casarotto Route on Huascaran Norte. Not sure if that thing has even seen a second ascent, was a bold solo in it's time. All depends on the conditions of the route. Would be a proud send.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Feb 7, 2013 - 11:35am PT
Off on the side vestibule there is a huge painting of the last supper, and there on the plate in front of Jesus is an upside down cuy with its legs in the air.

WOW Don Paul, you made my day. This is hilarious.

Beth, I will try to google it. Will be my first time in Peru and majority of the things my friend and I have planned come from suggestions from others/guidebook/lurking. So all suggestions are welcome, feel free to email me if you (or anyone else) have any! Our itinerary is flexible/conditions dependent.
Alpamayo is supposed to be super crowded, but I want to at least go and see it in person. Climbing it and seeing one of those gorgeous alpine-glows on it would be awesome.

Additions: Googled that face. It does not look that attractive to me. Looks hard and massive, but not very pretty in a striking way. To my taste. The route seen a second ascent supposedly. Very impressive to get on a face like that alone. http://www.summitpost.org/the-north-face-of-huascar-n-norte/827771
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 7, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
lumpy
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Feb 7, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
Can we not post pictures of dicks and sh#t? Some people work.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Feb 7, 2013 - 01:13pm PT
I found eating the Guniea Pig nasty but otherwise I had a fabulous time in Peru. So will you Vitaliy!! A lil Spanish goes a long way.

There are indeed paintings all over Cuzco, the Devil is portrayed as a conquistador. You may want to do a coupla days there to acclimatize.





stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Feb 7, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
I don't give a flying fuk about their nice truck, etc. Mine is nicer... but I don't take it to a 3rd world country where I don't speak the language (or Alabama for that matter), camp in some random location near a village/town I know nothing about, drink beers, refuse to show ID, and THEN get all upset when sh#t gets gnar. Gotta take responsibility for the sh#t you encounter on your adventures.

I have camped in some really poor parts of Mexico caving and we never encountered that sort of hostility. All of this class struggle stuff just sounds like guilt projection from certain people commenting here. And just what does "take responsibility" have to do with anything? Would they have been better off wearing tattered clothes and driving a '74 Dodge? Drinking beers is way different than what the locals do? Ha ha ha. Great stuff.

We typically gave whoever came to our campfires beers, food, smokes, whatever. But even if this young people didn't, did that justify what they got? You people who believe that are twisted.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 7, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
Whatever dude. My friends were robbed at gunpoint in Baja back in 1993. They played it cool and got out of it without physical harm. TK even said the robbers asked how the surfing had been.

People don't usually just fly off the handle and start stoning people because they have nice vehicles. If you want to act all tough and REFUSE to show any ID when you are camping on someone's land, drink beers where they usually ain't drunk, and not speak the language, you should be willing to deal with the results.

Ain't got nothing to do with class struggle stuff... it has to do with strangers showing up in a strange land and acting like they gots the right to camp wherever the fuk they please and not show nobody thems ID if thems don't want to. Funny that you keep trying to turn it into a "poor rich Americans were beaten just because they have nice stuff" issue. I'm surprised they made it as far as they did without more issues.

Besides, the story sounds like bullsh#t... 2 foot high road blocks out of what rocks? A cliff? I don't see no stinkin cliff.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Feb 7, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
Over here it's an insta-shit storm if you start asking for a foreigner's id. So, these particular Peruvians were the equivalent of those militia men dickholes we got infesting our borderlands?

A lot of Indian Jethroes and Joe Bobs, sounds like. I agree, you gotta watch those inbreds wherever you find them.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 7, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
Over here it's an insta-shit storm if you start asking for a foreigner's id.

Over here, if someone with Peruvian plates parked in your field, you'd either call the cops or go chat with them. If they didn't speak 'Merican, were drinking, and seemed disrespectful, you'd prolly get the authorities. From their story, that is exactly what happened.

If they kept giving 'tude, the situation is bound to escalate. Only difference is, over here we have cops that show up within the hour, usually. Over there I'm guessing it could take a while for cops to respond to the villagers... unless of course 'Mericans are involved.

So, these particular Peruvians were the equivalent of those militia men dickholes we got infesting our borderlands?

Sure, whatever. Or they are the equivalent of small town folks who get uneasy when strangers show up and act like dickholes. Go to a "village" up in WY (not Jackson, maybe Cody), set up camp wherever, pop a few beers, and start speaking in some strange foreign language. When an official asks for your papers, get in your car and drive away... then come racing back through town a little while later. If anyone gives you sh#t, blame it on them for being intolerant.

A lot of Indian Jethroes and Joe Bobs, sounds like. I agree, you gotta watch those inbreds wherever you find them.

Yup. Had my share of experiences in UT, NV, ID, and MT that would have turned out WAY worse if I had a worse 'tude towards the locals.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Feb 7, 2013 - 03:29pm PT
I am going to Peru this summer! Not sure if this is a good thread to spray about it... lol

If you were gnar gnar you would go to the village and ask if you can camp there

Hysterical!!
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 7, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
Mechrist version:

People don't usually just fly off the handle and start stoning people because they have nice vehicles. If you want to act all tough and REFUSE to show any ID when you are camping on someone's land, drink beers where they usually ain't drunk, and not speak the language, you should be willing to deal with the results.

Ain't got nothing to do with class struggle stuff... it has to do with strangers showing up in a strange land and acting like they gots the right to camp wherever the fuk they please and not show nobody thems ID if thems don't want to

Wolfrom version:
Joseph and Meghan have been driving for nine months from the United States through Central and South America, camping almost every night in their truck camper and have not yet experienced any violence or danger until this situation which occurred from December 29 to December 30, 2012. I flew into Cuzco, Peru on December 22, 2012 to meet my brother and his wife for a 10-day vacation. We stayed in Cuzco for a few days and then went into the mountains to hike a portion of the Asungate Mountain trek. We were in the mountains from December 25 to December 29.

On December 29, 2012, we left the mountains to drive back to Cuzco and towards our next destination of Macchu Picchu. It was getting dark and we knew that driving in the dark was dangerous, so we pulled down a dirt road to camp in the camper on the back of their truck. We pulled into a flat spot near a bridge in the village of Pallcca in the region of Ocongate, Peru at about 6:30 PM. We were drinking two beers between the three of us because it was my 30th birthday and we were celebrating. We were almost immediately approached by two village residents, who were friendly and who we asked if it was ok to park and camp where we had. They said yes. Soon, the two men were blowing whistles and using their cell phones to alert their friends of our presence and many more village residents started gathering around us, including the man who they called the Presidente. We recognized that he was the leader of the community and Meghan asked him directly if we could camp there and he said Yes. We were soon surrounded by indigenous village people who started asking us to give them our documents. We refused to show them our documents as they weren´t Policia and we were getting nervous about their pushiness and decided to leave. We told them we would leave and got into the truck. They wouldn´t let my brother shut his door and started picking up rocks. Joseph finally got his door shut and we drove off quickly in the opposite direction of where we came h
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 7, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
Joseph and Meghan have been driving for nine months from the United States through Central and South America, camping almost every night in their truck camper and have not yet experienced any violence or danger until this situation which occurred from December 29 to December 30, 2012

Lots of people here who have visited Peru with a guide, or just taken transportation directly to the climbing areas and think they know sh#t. Also, they think they are experts because nothing like this has ever happened to them while they are in Peru.

Unless you have gone an extended car camping trip in South America, the Wolfroms have much more experience with car camping there then you do. Nothing happened to them either, until one day something did happen.

aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Feb 7, 2013 - 04:20pm PT
Difficult to say why it happened, but my best guess is that two or three unscrupulous people in the village wanted to steal their stuff, and so spread a false rumor about their intentions in order to provoke a hostile response from the rest of the population. It is not necessarily their fault, nor an indication of some deep seated hostility on the part of Peruvian villagers.

It is also possible that this particular village had a bad experience with previous tourists behaving in a disrespectful way.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 7, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
Fact remains... same as it ever was...

Strange lands and separation are the wanderer's lot.
When a man is a wanderer and stranger,
he should not be gruff nor overbearing.
He has no large circle of acquaintances,
therefore he should not give himself airs.
He must be cautious and reserved;
in this way he protects himself from evil.
If he is obliging toward others, he wins success.

A wanderer has no fixed abode; his home is the road.
Therefore he must take care to remain upright and steadfast,
so that he sojourns only in the proper places,
associating only with good people.
Then he has good fortune and can go his way unmolested.

I Ching, written a few years ago or something





cuz you know....


The further you travel, the less you know.
-Lao Tzu





What was that stuff about getting his green barrette buddies together to inflict justice or something? Sounds pretty humble and respectful.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Feb 7, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
What was that stuff about getting his green barrette buddies together to inflict justice or something? Sounds pretty humble and respectful.

wow, I think I know that guy.



couchmaster

climber
pdx
Feb 7, 2013 - 08:57pm PT





Wes, all the speculation in the world here won't do anything positive. The US goverment will look into this and get back to us on it. As was said earlier, since the media is now involved, they may be interested enough to actually look into it and get real facts.

Meantime, we can continue to speculate here in the absence of any real facts. LOL! Have at it. Sure these kids from jackson hole spend more on toilet paper than these indigenous people make in a year, and the price of the truck could buy the whole county including all the girls under 14. But what's the point in speculating? I pretty much agree with Jan, the poor Peruvian people will take the hit here from tourist cancellations or travel redirect. Hard not to feel bad for those who depend on a few meager tourist bucks to put a little extra chicken in the pot trying to survive for another year...... nah, nevermind, I'm with you - I got it good, like everyone here on ST and in the US - F them, they can starve I suppose.

The villagers are even too stupid to know to set up a facebook account to accept donations. HAH, they don't even have computers! That's why the 3 ass-beaten kids will survive and thrive as they continue their journey with their newly crowdsourced paid for $5,000 Sony laptop etc etc. They copped AT LEAST $12,000 in free chicken scratch out of this. That was the Kickstarter scratch, who can say what they obtained privately via the facebook money collection deal. Thats over $1,000 per stitch fer gods sake. Last 2 times I got stitches I had to pay for it. I'm clearly as stupid as the villagers. No - even stupider (hey Werner, stole yer line:-) as the villagers didn't get any stitches whereas I got lots of them and then had to pay for them. Damn I must be beyond dumb.

Pretty damn sad if you get right down to it. Any of you want to set up a fund for the village? It would be interesting if they got more money raised than the kids.

I'm thinking this is a job for Riley W. or Mechrist. Fellas, step up and make your mark. This will be world class interesting, make the worlds newspapers and all you have to do is start a kickstarter page. Think of the impact of supporting some poor folks financially would provide, instead of with just yer lips which seem unable to stop or reason.

Really. I invite you. Do some good.






QITNL

climber
Feb 7, 2013 - 10:43pm PT
How old are you children? This whole stupid soap opera could have been avoided with the proper use of fake IDs.

Here you go, Vitaliy M. - print this up and laminate it before you head to Peru. If anyone asks for your ID, hand it over!
Credit: QITNL
They might have a couple of questions about your bocadillo.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 7, 2013 - 11:53pm PT
Couch, RW already does plenty of good for those less fortunate.

I won't set up an account to get donations for the villagers because, who knows, they could be as#@&%es. Besides, I'd just take the money and blow it on hookers and coke.

The point here isn't who did what... it will ALWAYS be them vs. them... ALWAYS. I'm just burning time and struck by the obvious lack of enough rocks to build a 2 foot tall roadblock... and the lack of a cliff on the other side of the road.

I'm also a cautious traveler, fully aware that if I get into a shitty situation while traveling it is just part of the price I pay for fun... you can always stay home.

I've always managed to stay out of trouble... and I'm one of the biggest, dumbest as#@&%es I know.
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