Immunizations....what has happened


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Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 6, 2013 - 12:46am PT
Check the latest flu situation:

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 6, 2013 - 01:22am PT

On the news last night they brought up an interesting point and one I personally never would have thought about...

The dry air here has it that the virus remains in the air, for longer periods of time...

If it would snow or rain, it would take it down, etc...

Also, for this area, it is approx five weeks earlier than the usual peak season...

I know of at least five people that I personally know, that have been hospitalized...

I probably should have been too (Still should be???) but lack of insurance had/has me doing EVERYTHING I can, to avoid it...

Still time though...

as I am NOT out of the woods just yet...



THANKS!!! moosedrool...

Sure as hell TRYING...


Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 6, 2013 - 01:36am PT
No insurance Locker? Sorry man.

Get well!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jan 6, 2013 - 01:46am PT
Don't worry about the weather Locker.

Up here in the rotting, misty forests, the FLU does just fine. I f*#ked up my knee skiing and thought that was bad until the FLU decided to party with me at the same time.

Awesome good times barfing and squirting after high tailing it to the can on crutches and fumbling with the velcro knee brace so I could drop my pants !

All I could think of was: HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 6, 2013 - 02:09am PT
"Awesome good times barfing and squirting"...

There's a song about it I think...

Goes something like this...

"I'm a barfin and a squirtin...

ridin all night long...

Yes a barfin and a squirtin...

fukin ALL night long

Now I'm needin me some TP

Flushin gone, gone, gone"

Sung to the tune of "Rolling and Tumbling"...

Social climber
Jan 6, 2013 - 02:26am PT
Jim of the Knee - That's NOT "the flu" but a norovirus. No vaccine for it yet..........WTF ? That's a freakin' vaccine I'd camp overnight to be first in line for.

The noro-type virus here in Van has been bad this year. A friend who works at Lions Gate said 2x as many patients over the same time as last year. Hamish F said his family had it over Zmas. We had it hit us here on New Years Day with the squirts and pukes. Three of the five of us got it. And my son passed it to his roommate in Vic to boot.

Happy New Year squirt barf ewwwww icky poopoo.....


Jan 9, 2013 - 08:21am PT
“Melanie’s Marvelous Measles” was written to:

Educate children on the benefits of having measles and how you can heal from them naturally and successfully. Often today, we are being bombarded with messages from vested interests to fear all diseases in order for someone to sell some potion or vaccine, when, in fact, history shows that in industrialized countries, these diseases are quite benign and, according to natural health sources, beneficial to the body. Having raised three children vaccine-free and childhood disease-free, I have experienced many times when my children’s vaccinated peers succumb to the childhood diseases they were vaccinated against.

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Jan 9, 2013 - 08:35am PT
That book by an Australian author just proves that not all the nut jobs are in America.

I had measles as a kid in the days before vaccines and was in a darkened room with a high fever for two weeks, unable to read or do anything. I also had mumps and chickenpox, all preventable nowadays. All of them were serious diseases.

What is so disgusting about these anti vacination advocates is their selfishness in relying on other people to vaccinate their children in sufficient numbers that there will be no outbreaks and their kids will remain healthy without vaccines. To me it's an antisocial pathology.

Big Wall climber
Crestline CA
Jan 9, 2013 - 11:36am PT
Don't you or your children get vaccinated for anything... that's another great way to keep the population down!

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 9, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
Going on day 12(???) now and STILL feeling like total crap...


FUKING A!!!...

Will say that I am FINALLY out of bed for short periods of time and even working with GLUE a little...

I have had to turn away so many customers and it SUCKS!!!...

and needless to say ZERO climbing all this time and I don't see ANY climbing happening for at least another week (right about the time SH!TTY weather will be setting in)...

and that really, really SUCKS big fuking time!!!...


Had I NOT taken the Flu shot???...

No way to know for sure...

That story about how the WHITE MAN took virus infused BLANKETS to the RED MAN in the past totally makes sense...

Very effective method for fuking people up...


Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 9, 2013 - 11:13pm PT

UK Mail Online / Flu epidemic could be the worst in a decade

PUBLISHED: 15:13 EST, 9 January 2013 | UPDATED: 18:12 EST, 9 January 2013

* Boston declares state of emergency and Chicago hospitals turn away ambulances.

* U.S. experiencing what is shaping up to be the worst flu outbreak in a decade with 20 children dead

* Boston has had a ten-fold increase in the number of cases compared to last year

* At one stage 12 Chicago hospitals were so swamped that they were turning patients away

* Elsewhere hospitals are taking extra precautions including limiting visitors or setting-up tents in their parking lots
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 4, 2013 - 11:35am PT
Published in Medscape:

Hi. My name is Paul Offit. I am talking to you today from the Vaccination Education Center at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. I would like to talk about a report from the Institute of Medicine (IOM), published on January 16, 2013, looking at the safety of vaccines and the vaccine schedule. The IOM tried to answer the questions, "Is this vaccine schedule, as recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the American Academy of Pediatrics, reasonable? Has it been well tested? Is it safe?"

The advantage of the IOM is that they are part of the National Academies, which don't receive funding from pharmaceutical companies or the federal government. This panel, for the most part, is made up of individuals who have never done research specifically in vaccines. They haven't done clinical studies on vaccines, reviewed biological license applications, or participated on data and safety monitoring boards for vaccine research. This is a group that has expertise in other areas of medicine, and they brought that expertise to looking at the safety of vaccines.

Information from IndustryThey looked at voluminous amounts of data, including data from so-called "concomitant use studies," in which investigators aim to prove that a vaccine, when it is added to the schedule, doesn't interfere with the safety or immunogenicity profiles of existing vaccines, and vice-versa. Hundreds of such studies have been conducted, and anyone who looks at these data closely will come to the same conclusions that the IOM came to, which is that the vaccine schedule is well-tested and safe.

Hopefully, for some patients in your practice, this review by a group of independent investigators will be convincing. I suspect that some patients, no matter what the data show, will still choose not to get vaccines. This is unfortunate because then we simply have to keep our fingers crossed and hope that children don't suffer as a result of that choice, whereas we wouldn't have to keep our fingers crossed and depend on luck if people simply got vaccines. I hope the IOM study will help.

Thank you for your attention.


Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:43am PT
I'm down with the flue - I've run a 102 fever for three days now, and I had the flu shot. However, I knew ahead of time that there was another flu out there not covered by the shot. I'm still getting my shot again next year. Two or more rounds of different flus in one winter I don't need.

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
So, Ron, what you're saying is "It's better to be lucky than smart?"

One of my wife's pregnant patients refused the vaccine and is now in the
ICU on a ventilator and both she and her baby are not expected to make it.
Not only is that stupid but it is also selfish.

Feb 4, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
There is a valid connection between schizophrenia and cats.

There is not a valid connection between vaccines and autism.

Still people keep their cats and parents avoid vaccines because... Human are emotional, illogical, beings. Cats appear so much nicer than that strange fluid filled needle.

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Feb 4, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
When you decide to get a flu shot.
I'll be happy to ADMINISTER it!

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Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
What's that got to do with the flu and the inflation rate in Zambia?

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 4, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
Ron: And as far as immunizations and the prolific use of antibiotics,, weve created these newer strains of ever developing and morphing bacterias. Have we not?

All bacteria, viruses, and even humans are "ever developing and morphing". Some bacteria do so in the presence of over-prescribed antibiotics and so become resistant to them. We don't have antibiotics for viruses - we have vaccines. We also have bacterial vaccines like DPT, TB, Typhoid, and Cholera.

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Feb 4, 2013 - 01:08pm PT

I can't count how many people I know that CLAIM they never get sick...


Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
Sorry, I thought we were talking about immunizations, arguably one of science's
greatest contributions to humanity.

If you mean to make the point that anti-biotics are over-prescribed and are
contributing to the evolution of resistant strains then fine. But that is
a different subject.

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