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Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Jan 23, 2015 - 07:34pm PT
Did anyone mention Andy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jan 23, 2015 - 08:01pm PT
Interesting, but short news story about the "Canadian problem", where "people who receive flu vaccines year after year can sometimes show reduced protection". And "seasonal flu vaccination almost doubled the risk of infection with pandemic flu."

Says the issue is "imperfect vaccines" intended for "a moving target of strains".

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/topstories/flu-vaccine-paradox-adds-to-public-health-debate-1.2912790
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jan 23, 2015 - 08:18pm PT
Got my flu shot thanks to obummercare, combined with my decently healthy lifestyle I should outlive locker and his glue shack no problem!
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 24, 2015 - 05:20pm PT
Yes, flu mutates, which makes the kind of vaccines we produce today an annual best guess. Changing that requires the development of a more 'universal' vaccine which would work against some aspect of the flu surface proteins which doesn't change, or changes much more slowly (or 'conserved'), as the flu mutates and hopefully is present in all flu strains.

Today's vaccines work by attempting to recognize the head of a mushroom-shaped protein on the flu's surface as opposed to its stem. The head portion of the protein mutates at a faster rate then the stem making it the target of a lot of 'universal' flu vaccine research.

STANFORD RESEARCHERS TAKE A STEP TOWARD DEVELOPING A ‘UNIVERSAL’ FLU VACCINE



Credit: healyje

More in-depth: Options and Obstacles for Designing a Universal Influenza Vaccine
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Mar 2, 2015 - 03:58pm PT
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 2, 2015 - 06:30pm PT
That's goddam funny, JB. And spot-on.

I take exception, though, to the choice of words used by those docs at the start of their rant:
"I'm xxx, and I believe in vaccinations."

This ain't no goddam religion...this is science, and medicine. Facts stand by themselves...you can either choose to acknowledge them, or stick your head in the sand (which is up your arse) and ignore them.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Mar 3, 2015 - 10:07am PT
For a lot of educated parents videos like the above are counter productive. I'm not going to give my children something for herd immunity that can cause:

Deafness.
Long-term seizures, coma, lowered consciousness.
Permanent brain damage.

Without thorough and accurate knowledge of the risks involved. When my son was born in 2001 we couldn't find actual statistics and we delayed some of his shots. It's gotten much better lately. Not all parents don't immunize because of beliefs, some don't immunize because of lack of scientific understanding of the risks. Or some kids have bad reactions to one shot and the parents don't want to risk more shots.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 3, 2015 - 10:23am PT
My wife has had patients who wanted the Ebola vaccine but refused the flu vaccine.

What is really needed in this country is a brain vaccine.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Mar 14, 2015 - 10:45am PT


Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 3, 2015 - 09:57pm PT
Ok, since I started this post, we've come aways.

http://www.polioeradication.org/Dataandmonitoring/Poliothisweek.aspx

There was a setback in 2014, with 359 cases worldwide.

Through last week, there have been 25 in the world, and now it seem confined to 2 countries, down from 11 last year.

All due to vaccines.

Another emerging success, although not vaccine controlled, is Guinea Worm:

http://www.cartercenter.org/health/guinea_worm/case-totals.html

When The Carter Center began leading the international campaign to eradicate Guinea worm disease in 1986, there were an estimated 3.5 million cases in 21 countries in Africa and Asia. Today, that number has been reduced by more than 99.99 percent, with the vast majority of cases remaining in South Sudan.

In 2014, 126 cases of Guinea worm disease were reported worldwide.

Through April, in 2015, the number is THREE, worldwide.
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Jun 4, 2015 - 12:52am PT
I guess as long as you implicitly trust big pharmaceutical companies then its no problem. Who do you work for Ken?
dirtbag

climber
Jun 4, 2015 - 05:16am PT
Yes studly, efforts to eradicate guinea worn (not through vaccines, btw) and polio haven't greatly improved the human condition.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 4, 2015 - 09:15am PT
I'm not going to give my children something for herd immunity that can cause:



The Fet, I know you're a smart guy, and I see your point, but I would guess you'd have to admit that the big picture goals and missions of vaccines have been an overwhelming success, I mean in terms of global suffering, which there is still plenty of.

For a lot of educated parents videos like the above are counter productive.
That's a first world problem I'd say.


How would you feel about the total disappearance of vaccines? Or if none of the community around you was vaccinated for anything?

The truth is that much more massive numbers of people have died from giant outbreaks of disease than have been injured by vaccines.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 4, 2015 - 09:19am PT
This is so tiresome.
dirtbag

climber
Jun 4, 2015 - 09:29am PT
It is, Reilly.



Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Jun 4, 2015 - 09:35am PT
I'm looking forward to seeing third world comedians spoof first world ignorance about vaccines.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 4, 2015 - 09:47am PT
Only in America can one be considered a caring parent if you don't spank yer kid yet you
refuse them a smallpox or polio vaccine. Do we have lead water pipes?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 4, 2015 - 09:49am PT
We're going to kick the children of these morons OUT OF CALIFORNIA PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

We'll keep our herd safe. Yall can go f*#k over your kids on your own dime.

DMT
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2015 - 10:31am PT
Only in America can one be considered a caring parent if you don't spank yer kid yet you
refuse them a smallpox or polio vaccine. Do we have lead water pipes?

Thankfully, smallpox was eradicated from the world in 1980. We no longer vaccinate children for it. So it is easy to forget what it was like. I've never seen a case.

The disease killed an estimated 400,000 Europeans annually during the closing years of the 18th century (including five reigning monarchs),[10] and was responsible for a third of all blindness.[6][11] Of all those infected, 20–60 percent — and over 80 percent of infected children — died from the disease.[12] Smallpox was responsible for an estimated 300–500 million deaths during the 20th century.[13][14][15] As recently as 1967, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated that 15 million people contracted the disease and that two million died in that year.[5]
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2015 - 10:32am PT
Studly, I am retired. However, I was independently in practice virtually my whole career, and did not collect a paycheck from anyone.

Who do YOU work for?
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