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Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 4, 2013 - 08:43am PT
I'm down with the flue - I've run a 102 fever for three days now, and I had the flu shot. However, I knew ahead of time that there was another flu out there not covered by the shot. I'm still getting my shot again next year. Two or more rounds of different flus in one winter I don't need.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 4, 2013 - 08:44am PT
ive never had a flu shot in my life,, and i dont get the flus going around these days.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 09:45am PT
So, Ron, what you're saying is "It's better to be lucky than smart?"

One of my wife's pregnant patients refused the vaccine and is now in the
ICU on a ventilator and both she and her baby are not expected to make it.
Not only is that stupid but it is also selfish.
Anastasia

climber
Home
Feb 4, 2013 - 09:51am PT
There is a valid connection between schizophrenia and cats.

There is not a valid connection between vaccines and autism.

Still people keep their cats and parents avoid vaccines because... Human are emotional, illogical, beings. Cats appear so much nicer than that strange fluid filled needle.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Feb 4, 2013 - 09:51am PT
Ron;
When you decide to get a flu shot.
I'll be happy to ADMINISTER it!

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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 4, 2013 - 09:53am PT
Yikes lol!


And as far as immunizations and the prolific use of antibiotics,, weve created these newer strains of ever developing and morphing bacterias. Have we not?

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 09:56am PT
What's that got to do with the flu and the inflation rate in Zambia?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:04am PT
Well as far as Zambia,, ya got me.. But as far as new strains of bacteria out there - weve created those through immunizations as they morph to get around those . Then we create a new immunization, which is then also morphed around by the bacteria,, breeding "smart" bacteria if you will.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:07am PT
Ron: And as far as immunizations and the prolific use of antibiotics,, weve created these newer strains of ever developing and morphing bacterias. Have we not?

All bacteria, viruses, and even humans are "ever developing and morphing". Some bacteria do so in the presence of over-prescribed antibiotics and so become resistant to them. We don't have antibiotics for viruses - we have vaccines. We also have bacterial vaccines like DPT, TB, Typhoid, and Cholera.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:08am PT


I can't count how many people I know that CLAIM they never get sick...

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:11am PT
Sorry, I thought we were talking about immunizations, arguably one of science's
greatest contributions to humanity.

If you mean to make the point that anti-biotics are over-prescribed and are
contributing to the evolution of resistant strains then fine. But that is
a different subject.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:13am PT
Tru,, i was "morphing" them together.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 4, 2013 - 10:16am PT
And as far as immunizations and the prolific use of antibiotics,, weve created these newer strains of ever developing and morphing bacterias. Have we not?


I think it IS fair to say that overuse of antibiotics has resulted in resistant strains.

However, I've never seen that assertion for vaccines.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:16am PT
Isnt there new strains of the flu about every year?
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:28am PT
There was a time when you could get very sick from a vaccine. People should not trust science any more blindly than they should trust anything or anyone else blindly.

Unfortunately, a healthy social distrust in any large authoritarian power, like scientists, leads to some individuals having an unhealthy distrust.

That said, we are far past the time when distrust of vaccines is at all helpful. Even when they were a bit more dangerous, their overall social benefit was worth the risk to any individual.

It does make sense though that as something becomes commonplace and less people speak out about its potential hazards, the fearful (functionally insane) people start to get agitated. Eventually, they see the lack of concern as a big conspiracy against them. The fact that no one sane ever actually thought that contrails were chemical trails really freaks out those types of people.

I know a die hard science type of guy who got a flu shot just because he believed it was better for society as a whole that he did so. He swears that it gave him the flu or at least didn't protect him at all from it. I'll bet he'll avoid that shot for a few years.

Dave
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:36am PT
The current statistics for this flu shot is that it protects 62% from getting
it and that if you do get it then it mitigates the symptoms considerably.
I'll take 62% any day. Hell, bat .300 and you're a lock for the Hall of Fame.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:05am PT
Cosmic....I understand wheat-grass enemas are another immunization tactic for the flu virus....Do you administer those..?
Heyzeus

climber
Hollywood,Ca
Feb 4, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
No link between shots and autism but there IS a link between the flu shot and developing narcolepsy in children in Europe. Doesn't seem to be a problem in the U.S. as we do not allow the "adjuvant" or booster here. A story I read a couple of weeks ago on it was heartbreaking. Narcolepsy is far from benign and quite tragic for the girl I read about.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/uk-study-strengthens-between-gsk-flu-shot-narcolepsy-114619475.html
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 4, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
Influenza is caused by viruses. Therefore overuse of antibiotics has no effect on them. Overuse of antibiotics has affected the growth of resistant bacteria however.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 21, 2013 - 06:18pm PT
Flu vaccine not very effective for seniors this year.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57570589/cdc-flu-vaccine-only-provided-9-percent-protection-for-seniors-against-worst-strain/

Effectiveness is defined by whether one needed outpatient medical visits due to the flu, so lots more just suffered at home.
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