Immunizations....what has happened


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Trad climber
Jan 23, 2015 - 05:52pm PT
Sorry, I didn't get that your argument was so subtle.
Bill Mc Kirgan

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Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Jan 23, 2015 - 07:34pm PT
Did anyone mention Andy?

Mountain climber
Jan 23, 2015 - 08:01pm PT
Interesting, but short news story about the "Canadian problem", where "people who receive flu vaccines year after year can sometimes show reduced protection". And "seasonal flu vaccination almost doubled the risk of infection with pandemic flu."

Says the issue is "imperfect vaccines" intended for "a moving target of strains".

Social climber
Jan 23, 2015 - 08:18pm PT
Got my flu shot thanks to obummercare, combined with my decently healthy lifestyle I should outlive locker and his glue shack no problem!

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 24, 2015 - 05:20pm PT
Yes, flu mutates, which makes the kind of vaccines we produce today an annual best guess. Changing that requires the development of a more 'universal' vaccine which would work against some aspect of the flu surface proteins which doesn't change, or changes much more slowly (or 'conserved'), as the flu mutates and hopefully is present in all flu strains.

Today's vaccines work by attempting to recognize the head of a mushroom-shaped protein on the flu's surface as opposed to its stem. The head portion of the protein mutates at a faster rate then the stem making it the target of a lot of 'universal' flu vaccine research.


Credit: healyje

More in-depth: Options and Obstacles for Designing a Universal Influenza Vaccine
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Mar 2, 2015 - 03:58pm PT

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 2, 2015 - 06:30pm PT
That's goddam funny, JB. And spot-on.

I take exception, though, to the choice of words used by those docs at the start of their rant:
"I'm xxx, and I believe in vaccinations."

This ain't no goddam religion...this is science, and medicine. Facts stand by can either choose to acknowledge them, or stick your head in the sand (which is up your arse) and ignore them.
the Fet

Mar 3, 2015 - 10:07am PT
For a lot of educated parents videos like the above are counter productive. I'm not going to give my children something for herd immunity that can cause:

Long-term seizures, coma, lowered consciousness.
Permanent brain damage.

Without thorough and accurate knowledge of the risks involved. When my son was born in 2001 we couldn't find actual statistics and we delayed some of his shots. It's gotten much better lately. Not all parents don't immunize because of beliefs, some don't immunize because of lack of scientific understanding of the risks. Or some kids have bad reactions to one shot and the parents don't want to risk more shots.

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The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 3, 2015 - 10:23am PT
My wife has had patients who wanted the Ebola vaccine but refused the flu vaccine.

What is really needed in this country is a brain vaccine.
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