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elcap-pics

Big Wall climber
Crestline CA
Jan 9, 2013 - 11:36am PT
Don't you or your children get vaccinated for anything... that's another great way to keep the population down!
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 9, 2013 - 11:13pm PT
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2259774/Flu-epidemic-worst-decade-Boston-declares-state-emergency-Chicago-hospitals-turn-away-ambulances.html

UK Mail Online / Flu epidemic could be the worst in a decade

By DAVID MCCORMACK
PUBLISHED: 15:13 EST, 9 January 2013 | UPDATED: 18:12 EST, 9 January 2013

* Boston declares state of emergency and Chicago hospitals turn away ambulances.

* U.S. experiencing what is shaping up to be the worst flu outbreak in a decade with 20 children dead

* Boston has had a ten-fold increase in the number of cases compared to last year

* At one stage 12 Chicago hospitals were so swamped that they were turning patients away

* Elsewhere hospitals are taking extra precautions including limiting visitors or setting-up tents in their parking lots
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 4, 2013 - 11:35am PT
Published in Medscape:


Hi. My name is Paul Offit. I am talking to you today from the Vaccination Education Center at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. I would like to talk about a report from the Institute of Medicine (IOM), published on January 16, 2013, looking at the safety of vaccines and the vaccine schedule. The IOM tried to answer the questions, "Is this vaccine schedule, as recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the American Academy of Pediatrics, reasonable? Has it been well tested? Is it safe?"

The advantage of the IOM is that they are part of the National Academies, which don't receive funding from pharmaceutical companies or the federal government. This panel, for the most part, is made up of individuals who have never done research specifically in vaccines. They haven't done clinical studies on vaccines, reviewed biological license applications, or participated on data and safety monitoring boards for vaccine research. This is a group that has expertise in other areas of medicine, and they brought that expertise to looking at the safety of vaccines.

Information from IndustryThey looked at voluminous amounts of data, including data from so-called "concomitant use studies," in which investigators aim to prove that a vaccine, when it is added to the schedule, doesn't interfere with the safety or immunogenicity profiles of existing vaccines, and vice-versa. Hundreds of such studies have been conducted, and anyone who looks at these data closely will come to the same conclusions that the IOM came to, which is that the vaccine schedule is well-tested and safe.

Hopefully, for some patients in your practice, this review by a group of independent investigators will be convincing. I suspect that some patients, no matter what the data show, will still choose not to get vaccines. This is unfortunate because then we simply have to keep our fingers crossed and hope that children don't suffer as a result of that choice, whereas we wouldn't have to keep our fingers crossed and depend on luck if people simply got vaccines. I hope the IOM study will help.

Thank you for your attention.

Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:43am PT
I'm down with the flue - I've run a 102 fever for three days now, and I had the flu shot. However, I knew ahead of time that there was another flu out there not covered by the shot. I'm still getting my shot again next year. Two or more rounds of different flus in one winter I don't need.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
So, Ron, what you're saying is "It's better to be lucky than smart?"

One of my wife's pregnant patients refused the vaccine and is now in the
ICU on a ventilator and both she and her baby are not expected to make it.
Not only is that stupid but it is also selfish.
Anastasia

climber
Home
Feb 4, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
There is a valid connection between schizophrenia and cats.

There is not a valid connection between vaccines and autism.

Still people keep their cats and parents avoid vaccines because... Human are emotional, illogical, beings. Cats appear so much nicer than that strange fluid filled needle.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
What's that got to do with the flu and the inflation rate in Zambia?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 4, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
Ron: And as far as immunizations and the prolific use of antibiotics,, weve created these newer strains of ever developing and morphing bacterias. Have we not?

All bacteria, viruses, and even humans are "ever developing and morphing". Some bacteria do so in the presence of over-prescribed antibiotics and so become resistant to them. We don't have antibiotics for viruses - we have vaccines. We also have bacterial vaccines like DPT, TB, Typhoid, and Cholera.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
Sorry, I thought we were talking about immunizations, arguably one of science's
greatest contributions to humanity.

If you mean to make the point that anti-biotics are over-prescribed and are
contributing to the evolution of resistant strains then fine. But that is
a different subject.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 4, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
And as far as immunizations and the prolific use of antibiotics,, weve created these newer strains of ever developing and morphing bacterias. Have we not?


I think it IS fair to say that overuse of antibiotics has resulted in resistant strains.

However, I've never seen that assertion for vaccines.
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Feb 4, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
There was a time when you could get very sick from a vaccine. People should not trust science any more blindly than they should trust anything or anyone else blindly.

Unfortunately, a healthy social distrust in any large authoritarian power, like scientists, leads to some individuals having an unhealthy distrust.

That said, we are far past the time when distrust of vaccines is at all helpful. Even when they were a bit more dangerous, their overall social benefit was worth the risk to any individual.

It does make sense though that as something becomes commonplace and less people speak out about its potential hazards, the fearful (functionally insane) people start to get agitated. Eventually, they see the lack of concern as a big conspiracy against them. The fact that no one sane ever actually thought that contrails were chemical trails really freaks out those types of people.

I know a die hard science type of guy who got a flu shot just because he believed it was better for society as a whole that he did so. He swears that it gave him the flu or at least didn't protect him at all from it. I'll bet he'll avoid that shot for a few years.

Dave
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
The current statistics for this flu shot is that it protects 62% from getting
it and that if you do get it then it mitigates the symptoms considerably.
I'll take 62% any day. Hell, bat .300 and you're a lock for the Hall of Fame.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 4, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
Cosmic....I understand wheat-grass enemas are another immunization tactic for the flu virus....Do you administer those..?
Heyzeus

climber
Hollywood,Ca
Feb 4, 2013 - 08:51pm PT
No link between shots and autism but there IS a link between the flu shot and developing narcolepsy in children in Europe. Doesn't seem to be a problem in the U.S. as we do not allow the "adjuvant" or booster here. A story I read a couple of weeks ago on it was heartbreaking. Narcolepsy is far from benign and quite tragic for the girl I read about.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/uk-study-strengthens-between-gsk-flu-shot-narcolepsy-114619475.html
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 4, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
Influenza is caused by viruses. Therefore overuse of antibiotics has no effect on them. Overuse of antibiotics has affected the growth of resistant bacteria however.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 21, 2013 - 09:18pm PT
Flu vaccine not very effective for seniors this year.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57570589/cdc-flu-vaccine-only-provided-9-percent-protection-for-seniors-against-worst-strain/

Effectiveness is defined by whether one needed outpatient medical visits due to the flu, so lots more just suffered at home.
Degaine

climber
Feb 22, 2013 - 05:32am PT
For all those who have written that the overuse of antibiotics has prompted the growth of highly resistant bacteria, this is not only due to human use.

A large part of this phenomenon can be traced to factory farming and extreme overuse of antibiotics. Factory farming has also become the breeding grounds for extremely virulent strains of flu that yes humans can catch.

A good part of the blow back regarding vaccination is due to pharmaceutical industry greed and unwillingness to be straightforward with the public and doctors with regard to potential long term side effects of a who variety of products, including vaccines.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Nov 4, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
Good times

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/11/04/240278593/getting-your-microbes-analyzed-raises-big-privacy-issues
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2014 - 02:01pm PT
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/22/health/india-end-of-polio/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

India beats the odds, beats polio

Howrah District, India (CNN) -- Rukhsar Khatoon is too young to fully grasp the significance of her life: that she is a last in a country of 1.2 billion people.
She has become the greatest symbol of India's valiant -- and successful -- effort to rid itself of a crippling and potentially deadly disease. Rukhsar, 4, is the final documented case of polio in India.

Her parents, Abdul Shah, 32, and Shobejan Begum, 30, blame themselves for their child's suffering. They had their other children vaccinated, but not Rukhsar. She was a sickly child, in and out of hospital with liver infections and diarrhea. They thought it safer not to subject her to more medication.

Rukhsar's father Abdul Shah blames himself and says he thought she would never walk again.

It wasn't until little Rukhsar's right foot swelled and twisted in early 2011 that her parents took her to a hospital in nearby Beleghata for tests. She was just 18 months old when doctors confirmed the worst: Rukhsar had polio.

Polio is caused by a virus that attacks the brain and spinal cord cells that move joints and muscles. About one-third of those who contract polio in India are left paralyzed -- as was Rukhsar.

"There were three keys to our success," Kapur says. "Immunize, immunize and immunize."
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2015 - 09:20am PT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/22/the-devastating-impact-of-vaccine-deniers-in-one-measles-chart/?tid=trending_strip_4
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