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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
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I think this keith guy is retiring at the end of the month and Genny Wilson is taking over
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 23, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
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^^^ THAT should help protect the climbing. Hey, you should smear some red paint at the base of OOTD and High Energy too.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 23, 2012 - 02:15pm PT
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I don't understand you folks objecting to this proposal.The affected area is minimal; less than 4 acres, the extraction is limited to free (unattached to bedrock) boulders less tham 3 feet in diameter, only hand tools will be used, actually 500 tons/yr and a total of 1500 tons is miniscule, really. This sounds like not much more than collection of small rocks that would otherwise naturally self trundle onto the hwy. within a few decades anyway.Are you guys suggesting starting another friends of anti-capitalism which would be nothing more than advancement of bleeding heart liberal causes? Ron think about and investigate more before you act, if you will.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 23, 2012 - 02:21pm PT
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I hope it's another midnight sale marathon.
On imported Chinese Gravel.
It only hurts when it hits close to home.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 02:23pm PT
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Hey Rick, STFU thanks'
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 23, 2012 - 02:28pm PT
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I'm fine with it, as long as a QUALIFIED geomorphologist ensures the necessary grade control elements are left intact and/or stabilized.
500 tons annually is about 200-250 cubic yards. Say they are going down 10' (removing the upper 2-3 boulders of that size), that's about 75 square yards, or about 700 sq feet of area... or about a 1' swath from the highway to where the trail crosses the stream... every year. (check my calculations, I haven't had my second liter of coffee yet).
I'm dead serious about using this project to potentially excavate some mediocre bouldering... that steep talus stuff is often surprisingly fun.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
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The forest service can't even keep the campgrounds open in the area.
Hey Wes, why don't you put your writing skills to work for us? Please address them to the dist ranger Genny Wilson thanks' kennyt
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 23, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
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Maybe you guys should read further to see what slope stabilizations measures are proposed before assuming the worst.Perhaps this is a rational (seems impossible doesn't it) cost saving measure by caltrans.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 23, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
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Ron, you constantly live on a slippery slope... one that is clearly far far far removed from invasive warm water fish of course.
Rick, I read them, they are vague and cursory at best.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 23, 2012 - 02:39pm PT
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It would impact downhill traffic at a potentially problematic spot in the canyon.
I'm not particularly concerned about a few hundred yards of material being removed if they don't blast, and that's not part of the proposal.
Maybe I've just got a soft spot for the area. It's very nice and relatively unspoiled.
I mentioned it upthread, but has anyone been gem hunting in that area? I've seen some of the nicer yield and it's mighty purty.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 02:43pm PT
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The parking for Woodcutters and Strangler cliffs would be greatly improved as well.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 02:58pm PT
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Ron, I have a friend that works in that office and she said it's not even close to being a done deal
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
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The way i see it is that it is a rockfall onto the hwy. mitigation measure.A rare rational partnership between small business and a giant government bureaucracy. This is how things should be, a win win proposition that if repeated here, there and everywhere with a mryiad of different private enterprise just might go a long ways towards solving out of control government spending. The alternative, in this case i believe, would be weeks of inefficient work with heavy equipment, single lane traffic and flaggers,and a result no better. Of course i could be wrong, caltrans may have turned over a new highly efficient leaf that pleases rather than frustrates the public.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
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Can we count on you for a letter there Jebus?
Rick, did you forget to take your meds this morning? go over to the politard threads your opinion may be appreciated there.
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
California
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:05pm PT
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whole lotta gun nut-esque paranoia going on here.
the plan is to remove some loose rubble, JHFC!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:13pm PT
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the plan is to remove some loose rubble I'm pretty sure they are probably interested in the larger stuff. I'm a gen. contractor and I know what I would be interested in.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:17pm PT
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Ron, Yer pal Rick seems to be of the opinion that they will be plucking rock off the side of the hwy. Just another troll lookin for an argument
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:17pm PT
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I'm playing devils advocate here, but Kenny, what do you use for the wainscoting on the exterior of the homes you build?
Natural stone or cultured?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:19pm PT
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I use both.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:21pm PT
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Fair enough.
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