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kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 01:41pm PT
Save the personal attacks for one of the gun nut or political threads guys.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Dec 23, 2012 - 01:45pm PT
Tad,, it will be better if each of us write the Carson Ranger District. Will make more of an impact if they receive e mails continually
Copy that, will do.
Tad
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 23, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
Ain't no thang:

"extract up to 500 tons (~315 cubic yards) of granitic boulders annually, ranging from hand-size to three feet in length (approximately 1-2 pounds up to a ton)."

"Only hand-tools would be utilized to manage the rock. Only solitary rocks or those accessible by hand excavation would be available for collection."

Hell, I might even go out and volunteer... maybe get them to excavate some of the larger boulders and even out the landings a bit. You can't climb on anything <3' anyway.


"Enough rock debris would remain in place to stabilize slopes and deter erosion."

Provisions to ensure the above should be strongly emphasized in any letter. Cloudburst Canyon is a teetering pile of choss and the removal of one single 3' boulder could cause the entire canyon to gully out. No, just joking, but it could cause some serious gullying if the boulders are plucked out of the hillslope. If it creates a head cut it would seriously affect the stability of that loose pile of choss they call a "trail" that leads to OOTD.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
I think this keith guy is retiring at the end of the month and Genny Wilson is taking over
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 23, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
^^^ THAT should help protect the climbing. Hey, you should smear some red paint at the base of OOTD and High Energy too.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 23, 2012 - 02:15pm PT
I don't understand you folks objecting to this proposal.The affected area is minimal; less than 4 acres, the extraction is limited to free (unattached to bedrock) boulders less tham 3 feet in diameter, only hand tools will be used, actually 500 tons/yr and a total of 1500 tons is miniscule, really. This sounds like not much more than collection of small rocks that would otherwise naturally self trundle onto the hwy. within a few decades anyway.Are you guys suggesting starting another friends of anti-capitalism which would be nothing more than advancement of bleeding heart liberal causes? Ron think about and investigate more before you act, if you will.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 23, 2012 - 02:21pm PT
I hope it's another midnight sale marathon.
On imported Chinese Gravel.


It only hurts when it hits close to home.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 02:23pm PT
Hey Rick, STFU thanks'
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 23, 2012 - 02:28pm PT
I'm fine with it, as long as a QUALIFIED geomorphologist ensures the necessary grade control elements are left intact and/or stabilized.

500 tons annually is about 200-250 cubic yards. Say they are going down 10' (removing the upper 2-3 boulders of that size), that's about 75 square yards, or about 700 sq feet of area... or about a 1' swath from the highway to where the trail crosses the stream... every year. (check my calculations, I haven't had my second liter of coffee yet).

I'm dead serious about using this project to potentially excavate some mediocre bouldering... that steep talus stuff is often surprisingly fun.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
The forest service can't even keep the campgrounds open in the area.

Hey Wes, why don't you put your writing skills to work for us? Please address them to the dist ranger Genny Wilson thanks' kennyt
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 23, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
Maybe you guys should read further to see what slope stabilizations measures are proposed before assuming the worst.Perhaps this is a rational (seems impossible doesn't it) cost saving measure by caltrans.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 23, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
Ron, you constantly live on a slippery slope... one that is clearly far far far removed from invasive warm water fish of course.

Rick, I read them, they are vague and cursory at best.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 23, 2012 - 02:39pm PT
It would impact downhill traffic at a potentially problematic spot in the canyon.

I'm not particularly concerned about a few hundred yards of material being removed if they don't blast, and that's not part of the proposal.

Maybe I've just got a soft spot for the area. It's very nice and relatively unspoiled.

I mentioned it upthread, but has anyone been gem hunting in that area? I've seen some of the nicer yield and it's mighty purty.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 02:43pm PT
The parking for Woodcutters and Strangler cliffs would be greatly improved as well.


kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 02:58pm PT
Ron, I have a friend that works in that office and she said it's not even close to being a done deal
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 23, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
Give 'em your ammo, Ron!

Man, I have bad feeling about this too. I'd hope it's nothing more than low-angle choss they're taking out. Preferably with the goal of sculpting quality overhung jug routes! Yeah, right.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 23, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
The way i see it is that it is a rockfall onto the hwy. mitigation measure.A rare rational partnership between small business and a giant government bureaucracy. This is how things should be, a win win proposition that if repeated here, there and everywhere with a mryiad of different private enterprise just might go a long ways towards solving out of control government spending. The alternative, in this case i believe, would be weeks of inefficient work with heavy equipment, single lane traffic and flaggers,and a result no better. Of course i could be wrong, caltrans may have turned over a new highly efficient leaf that pleases rather than frustrates the public.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
Can we count on you for a letter there Jebus?

Rick, did you forget to take your meds this morning? go over to the politard threads your opinion may be appreciated there.
bergbryce

Mountain climber
California
Dec 23, 2012 - 03:05pm PT
whole lotta gun nut-esque paranoia going on here.
the plan is to remove some loose rubble, JHFC!
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:13pm PT
the plan is to remove some loose rubble
I'm pretty sure they are probably interested in the larger stuff. I'm a gen. contractor and I know what I would be interested in.
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