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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 23, 2012 - 02:28pm PT
I'm fine with it, as long as a QUALIFIED geomorphologist ensures the necessary grade control elements are left intact and/or stabilized.

500 tons annually is about 200-250 cubic yards. Say they are going down 10' (removing the upper 2-3 boulders of that size), that's about 75 square yards, or about 700 sq feet of area... or about a 1' swath from the highway to where the trail crosses the stream... every year. (check my calculations, I haven't had my second liter of coffee yet).

I'm dead serious about using this project to potentially excavate some mediocre bouldering... that steep talus stuff is often surprisingly fun.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 23, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
Rick,, Yes you bring up good points. But there is a jillion other places to harvest granite if someone so desires.

Problem 1, this will be a very visible operation that will be seen by others who will in turn get the same idea. And only a percentage of those will be legal.

I saw that with christmas tree theft in Alpine county, which went from one or two here and there to five thousand at a time.

The canyon IS my sacred place. Ive fought the fires, cruised the salvage sales, even cited the under sheriff of Alpine county once in the canyon. Climbed there like, you, since the 70s.

So no, im not against capitalism by any stretch and do think there are areas this could work ok,, but the canyon simply cant be one of them. Its one of THE most premier locales in alpine county imo..

that and i know very well how contract inspections and manifests in projects like this work, or dont work as the case often is. Ive heard the expression, "well that worked ok lets do some MORE" also..

A liberal nor conservative i be, just reaching for common sense. As much as the Washoes didnt want their rock to be disturbed is much the same reason i fear for the canyon.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
The forest service can't even keep the campgrounds open in the area.

Hey Wes, why don't you put your writing skills to work for us? Please address them to the dist ranger Genny Wilson thanks' kennyt
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 23, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
Maybe you guys should read further to see what slope stabilizations measures are proposed before assuming the worst.Perhaps this is a rational (seems impossible doesn't it) cost saving measure by caltrans.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 23, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
Ron, you constantly live on a slippery slope... one that is clearly far far far removed from invasive warm water fish of course.

Rick, I read them, they are vague and cursory at best.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 23, 2012 - 02:39pm PT
This is WOODFORDS CANYON.. A canyon with a RIVER running down it..IE : JUST about the RAREST thing around in the great basin..



Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 23, 2012 - 02:39pm PT
It would impact downhill traffic at a potentially problematic spot in the canyon.

I'm not particularly concerned about a few hundred yards of material being removed if they don't blast, and that's not part of the proposal.

Maybe I've just got a soft spot for the area. It's very nice and relatively unspoiled.

I mentioned it upthread, but has anyone been gem hunting in that area? I've seen some of the nicer yield and it's mighty purty.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 02:43pm PT
The parking for Woodcutters and Strangler cliffs would be greatly improved as well.


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 23, 2012 - 02:57pm PT
They already have their EA Kenny, im afraid its a dun deal.

And perhaps its just emotion that fuels my disgust. I fully admit that- but ive got vested interest in the place. IF they go any where NEAR LedZep arete,, consequences shall be dire. My last route with Dano man,,SACRED soil to me.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 02:58pm PT
Ron, I have a friend that works in that office and she said it's not even close to being a done deal
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 23, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
Give 'em your ammo, Ron!

Man, I have bad feeling about this too. I'd hope it's nothing more than low-angle choss they're taking out. Preferably with the goal of sculpting quality overhung jug routes! Yeah, right.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 23, 2012 - 03:03pm PT
well GOOOD!.. I think at this time, the only guys left i know are Wilde and Dobson...But ill give Wilde a ring anyhoo.


They could do this easily at say,, brewers mine area or forestdale. Out of sight, out of mind, out of the canyon. Improving the back way into blue lakes would be a GUD start. Plenty of granite available there.

Im not against a sensible harvest.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 23, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
The way i see it is that it is a rockfall onto the hwy. mitigation measure.A rare rational partnership between small business and a giant government bureaucracy. This is how things should be, a win win proposition that if repeated here, there and everywhere with a mryiad of different private enterprise just might go a long ways towards solving out of control government spending. The alternative, in this case i believe, would be weeks of inefficient work with heavy equipment, single lane traffic and flaggers,and a result no better. Of course i could be wrong, caltrans may have turned over a new highly efficient leaf that pleases rather than frustrates the public.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
Can we count on you for a letter there Jebus?

Rick, did you forget to take your meds this morning? go over to the politard threads your opinion may be appreciated there.
bergbryce

Mountain climber
California
Dec 23, 2012 - 03:05pm PT
whole lotta gun nut-esque paranoia going on here.
the plan is to remove some loose rubble, JHFC!
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:13pm PT
the plan is to remove some loose rubble
I'm pretty sure they are probably interested in the larger stuff. I'm a gen. contractor and I know what I would be interested in.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 23, 2012 - 03:15pm PT
The best made plans of mice and men...

Rick,, as i said,, im FOR this sort of thing, but in sensible locales.

Alpine county advertises the canyon even in places like the "good sam club" and countless other publications and sites. Even climbing has graced covers of magazines there. In short, an economic plus to the woodfords area in general. The "death ride" event , motor cycle rallies and many other groups also use this canyon.

As ive been in most any location throughout the entire county i can think of no less that 10 places off hand that would suit this operation far better than the canyon. Jobs, money- commerce,, all GOOD.. doing it to the canyon BAD...When you open a door MORE WILL COME..See sport known as "climbing" for proof of that.;-)
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:17pm PT
Ron, Yer pal Rick seems to be of the opinion that they will be plucking rock off the side of the hwy. Just another troll lookin for an argument
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 23, 2012 - 03:17pm PT
I'm playing devils advocate here, but Kenny, what do you use for the wainscoting on the exterior of the homes you build?

Natural stone or cultured?
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:19pm PT
I use both.
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