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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:21pm PT
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EA does not equal done deal... one of the key words being Assessment.
You can count on me for a letter. My main concerns (which are easily addressed by people who know what they are doing, namely me) are:
Channel stability as a head cut could seriously affect access to the mid-canyon climbing areas. But if they stay to the N of the channel and just take rock off the colluvial wedge/debris flow, there won't be a problem.
Hillslope stability, which could cause gullying on the steep, loose colluvial material.
Future expansion of more intense mining activities.
The proper excavation of 6+' boulders to ensure flat landings and the strategic placement of accidental scars that may facilitate huge overhanging jug hauls.
I know plenty of people who gem hunt around these parts. You tend to get good crystals around the nonconformity between the underlying granitic rock and the younger overlying volcanic rock.
And BTW, I am going flash the sh#t out of Led Zep arete this spring... flash it like it was your mamma.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:23pm PT
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Brandon, were lucky around here most of the real stone I use comes from the excavation of the site nd is beutiful
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:25pm PT
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Ron, don't you think this is going to happen anyway as ongoing maintenance of the hwy, and slopes? Why not applaud it and concentrate on other real planned "improvements" in the area that would really have serious detrimental effect on the asthetics of the canyon. By going on record as approving such a minor measure you will have a credible platform to voice a vision of keeping the canyon in as pristine a state as reasonably possible. Now if we could just do something about the out of contol bolting and manufactured routes in the area...... p.s. am i wrong-are they going to go out of the slope area to any appreciable extent?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:28pm PT
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and Wes,, isnt an EA all that is required for the "small" operation? I did a whole timber sale beetle cut up blu lakes rd with only an EA..
No you didn't. You also had to get approval based on the findings of that EA.
and i hope you do Wes.. But the missing bolts still haven been re-installed.
Bolts, or hangers? If it is just hangers, I will be sure to bring some and rig it up. If it is bolts... I'd have to talk to the FA party before dealing with that, and I've heard he's kind of a weird old gun nut.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:29pm PT
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Where are the overbolted and manufactured routes you speak of? I wanna check them out!
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:31pm PT
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I love how Rick is all for removal of granite, yet apparently opposed to bolts.
Huh?
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:32pm PT
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I will buy some of the rocks.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:33pm PT
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Led Zep arete could be fixed up in about 45 min. that includes the 30 second approach. we went up there in the early nineties and there were no bolts up higher then. so we toproped
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:36pm PT
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Ron, One of the areas is at the woodcutters parking pretty much out of the hwy right of way. I built the house downstream directly down from cal trans.they wouldn't let us go over the hwy with power because it's considered a scenic corridor
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:39pm PT
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Kenny iv'e never paid much attention to the names of the formations but in the lower canyon is a 130' crack climb on perfect rock, with a perfectly protectable crack that is bolted every 10 feet-about 5.8 i would imagine. Up canyon about a half mile is an overhanging orange wall with artificial gym holds and grid bolted= both of these are on the southfacing side of the canyon.It doesn't bother me too much since i can easily climb the crack with natural protection and i am far from capable of climbing the overhanging wall by any combination of available artificial holds.However this practice could rob future generations of other climbs, as standards slowly rise, if carried to an extreme.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:42pm PT
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Bandit crag. I forgot yeah kind of ridiculous. Footloose was looking for some stainless hangers a while back ago and I recomended those. the Epoxy wall....Not my cup of tea but since Dan isn't around to defend his project wall we can leave that one alone
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:43pm PT
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Ron, i stand corrected if these harvest areas are not on slopes from which loose rocks naturally trundle onto the hwy.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:47pm PT
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I never thought I'd see the day where Ron writes about Qi (chi).
I was just swapping stories with a guy here in NH who was on the phone with MC at the top of the Leaning Tower that fateful day. That must have been hard to swallow.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:51pm PT
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new thread topic... Fix the Led Zep arete bolts and chop the bolts and holds on the Epoxy wall in case Sharma and Ondra want to climb there.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 04:04pm PT
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Wes, that is the boulder right on the north side of 88 just east of the hope valley store
Noah Kauffmans videos would be alot better without the crappy music and the encouragement. I have to mute them just to watch
EDIT: I should probably keep my opinions to myself
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 23, 2012 - 04:04pm PT
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Yeah ron, I did a long wandering climb somewhere down canyon with my little brother in about '74. Not that start or climb, but it had some pretty good sections of off width and chimney, between areas of choss and wandering, which checked in at about 4 pitches and 5.9 or so. I can't for the life of me identify the line or formation anymore.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
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Hey Ron, The bottom line for me is This guy isn't taking a few rocks for personal use. He is taking them for profit from our lands what are we getting out of it? more parking
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 23, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
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I tried to rally back up Leviathan Mine Rd one time to find the hot springs. Got the ex's SUV stuck and carried on on foot. No places to park that I could find. Almost got eaten by a cougar. Good times.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 23, 2012 - 04:49pm PT
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I just don't know which one is referred to as "Bertha." I like some of the music... and there is no doubt the dude gets busy with the boulders.
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