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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
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Yeah, this is f*#king crazy I'm thinking this is in the paking area.Maybe if enough people voice their opposition this won't happen
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 23, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
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Good
They should remove all rocks.
Rocks don't do anything, they're stupid.
Throw them into the ocean.
Make Wall Marts in their place.
Wall Mart has good deals for the American consumer ......
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 23, 2012 - 12:33pm PT
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Good
They should remove all rocks.
Rocks don't do anything, they're stupid.
Throw them into the ocean.
Make Wall Marts in their place.
Wall Mart has good deals for the American consumer ...... WallMart has low prices or gravel.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 12:34pm PT
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Yeah, low impact motorized wheelbarrows, trucks and allowed to disturb up to 4 acres of vegetation.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 23, 2012 - 12:35pm PT
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LOL
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Dec 23, 2012 - 12:37pm PT
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A word of caution Herr Braun, this could cause the oceans to rise, leading to the flooding of the Wallmarts!
Whether this would be good or bad for Americans is left to the readers.
Rock me on the water, we'll get down to the sea somehow.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 23, 2012 - 12:41pm PT
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Lock and Load Ron.
Stupid Gravel.
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TFSTFU
Trad climber
Utah
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Dec 23, 2012 - 12:46pm PT
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I hope this doesn't happen, woodfords is a great escape.
Edit: philo, you ever listen to yourself, cause you sound like a f*#kin idiot. I'm against guns, but you're an anti-gun nut.
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adikted
Boulder climber
Tahooooeeeee
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Dec 23, 2012 - 12:49pm PT
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This would be tragic.... I hope they dont ruin such a beautiful area!!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 12:52pm PT
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My guess is they would keep an eye on this for a bit but before you know this will become this guys private stash.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 23, 2012 - 12:56pm PT
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get lost philowwww,, you AINT WERNER.... To which I am sure we are both quite pleased.
Thanks Ron I made $50 on your predictability.
Hey TFPTSD go lick a frozen lamp post.
Seriously now folks if this is important to you y'all best be getting up to date on this proposal and working through channels as early as possible. Let me mention that at one point Eldo was up for sale to a gravel company. Think how tragic that would have been?
Stupid Gravel.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 01:04pm PT
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Maybe a new campground!!!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 01:07pm PT
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I, was thinking the discovery of a couple arrowheads would be ideal
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 23, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
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If its where I think it is ( just downhill from Joyce's store and the CG), that's a pretty dangerous spot for dump trucks to be entering the flow of traffic.
Edit; from what I've been told, that north side is great for rock hounding. Like huge payout great.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
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Project contact: Keith Whaley 760-932-7070 kwahley@fs.fed.us
Flood this guys e-mail and voicemail!
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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Dec 23, 2012 - 01:38pm PT
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Philo, I am also anti gun, but you seem over the top. Shall we say OCD?
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 23, 2012 - 01:41pm PT
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I sent an email to Hope Valley Outdoors to keep them in the loop. Good folks, I used to work there.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 01:41pm PT
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Save the personal attacks for one of the gun nut or political threads guys.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 23, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
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Ain't no thang:
"extract up to 500 tons (~315 cubic yards) of granitic boulders annually, ranging from hand-size to three feet in length (approximately 1-2 pounds up to a ton)."
"Only hand-tools would be utilized to manage the rock. Only solitary rocks or those accessible by hand excavation would be available for collection."
Hell, I might even go out and volunteer... maybe get them to excavate some of the larger boulders and even out the landings a bit. You can't climb on anything <3' anyway.
"Enough rock debris would remain in place to stabilize slopes and deter erosion."
Provisions to ensure the above should be strongly emphasized in any letter. Cloudburst Canyon is a teetering pile of choss and the removal of one single 3' boulder could cause the entire canyon to gully out. No, just joking, but it could cause some serious gullying if the boulders are plucked out of the hillslope. If it creates a head cut it would seriously affect the stability of that loose pile of choss they call a "trail" that leads to OOTD.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
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I think this keith guy is retiring at the end of the month and Genny Wilson is taking over
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 23, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
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^^^ THAT should help protect the climbing. Hey, you should smear some red paint at the base of OOTD and High Energy too.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 23, 2012 - 02:15pm PT
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I don't understand you folks objecting to this proposal.The affected area is minimal; less than 4 acres, the extraction is limited to free (unattached to bedrock) boulders less tham 3 feet in diameter, only hand tools will be used, actually 500 tons/yr and a total of 1500 tons is miniscule, really. This sounds like not much more than collection of small rocks that would otherwise naturally self trundle onto the hwy. within a few decades anyway.Are you guys suggesting starting another friends of anti-capitalism which would be nothing more than advancement of bleeding heart liberal causes? Ron think about and investigate more before you act, if you will.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 23, 2012 - 02:21pm PT
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I hope it's another midnight sale marathon.
On imported Chinese Gravel.
It only hurts when it hits close to home.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 02:23pm PT
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Hey Rick, STFU thanks'
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 23, 2012 - 02:28pm PT
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I'm fine with it, as long as a QUALIFIED geomorphologist ensures the necessary grade control elements are left intact and/or stabilized.
500 tons annually is about 200-250 cubic yards. Say they are going down 10' (removing the upper 2-3 boulders of that size), that's about 75 square yards, or about 700 sq feet of area... or about a 1' swath from the highway to where the trail crosses the stream... every year. (check my calculations, I haven't had my second liter of coffee yet).
I'm dead serious about using this project to potentially excavate some mediocre bouldering... that steep talus stuff is often surprisingly fun.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
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The forest service can't even keep the campgrounds open in the area.
Hey Wes, why don't you put your writing skills to work for us? Please address them to the dist ranger Genny Wilson thanks' kennyt
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 23, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
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Maybe you guys should read further to see what slope stabilizations measures are proposed before assuming the worst.Perhaps this is a rational (seems impossible doesn't it) cost saving measure by caltrans.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 23, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
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Ron, you constantly live on a slippery slope... one that is clearly far far far removed from invasive warm water fish of course.
Rick, I read them, they are vague and cursory at best.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 23, 2012 - 02:39pm PT
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It would impact downhill traffic at a potentially problematic spot in the canyon.
I'm not particularly concerned about a few hundred yards of material being removed if they don't blast, and that's not part of the proposal.
Maybe I've just got a soft spot for the area. It's very nice and relatively unspoiled.
I mentioned it upthread, but has anyone been gem hunting in that area? I've seen some of the nicer yield and it's mighty purty.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 02:43pm PT
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The parking for Woodcutters and Strangler cliffs would be greatly improved as well.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 02:58pm PT
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Ron, I have a friend that works in that office and she said it's not even close to being a done deal
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
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The way i see it is that it is a rockfall onto the hwy. mitigation measure.A rare rational partnership between small business and a giant government bureaucracy. This is how things should be, a win win proposition that if repeated here, there and everywhere with a mryiad of different private enterprise just might go a long ways towards solving out of control government spending. The alternative, in this case i believe, would be weeks of inefficient work with heavy equipment, single lane traffic and flaggers,and a result no better. Of course i could be wrong, caltrans may have turned over a new highly efficient leaf that pleases rather than frustrates the public.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
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Can we count on you for a letter there Jebus?
Rick, did you forget to take your meds this morning? go over to the politard threads your opinion may be appreciated there.
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
California
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:05pm PT
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whole lotta gun nut-esque paranoia going on here.
the plan is to remove some loose rubble, JHFC!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:13pm PT
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the plan is to remove some loose rubble I'm pretty sure they are probably interested in the larger stuff. I'm a gen. contractor and I know what I would be interested in.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:17pm PT
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Ron, Yer pal Rick seems to be of the opinion that they will be plucking rock off the side of the hwy. Just another troll lookin for an argument
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:17pm PT
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I'm playing devils advocate here, but Kenny, what do you use for the wainscoting on the exterior of the homes you build?
Natural stone or cultured?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:19pm PT
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I use both.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:21pm PT
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Fair enough.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:21pm PT
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EA does not equal done deal... one of the key words being Assessment.
You can count on me for a letter. My main concerns (which are easily addressed by people who know what they are doing, namely me) are:
Channel stability as a head cut could seriously affect access to the mid-canyon climbing areas. But if they stay to the N of the channel and just take rock off the colluvial wedge/debris flow, there won't be a problem.
Hillslope stability, which could cause gullying on the steep, loose colluvial material.
Future expansion of more intense mining activities.
The proper excavation of 6+' boulders to ensure flat landings and the strategic placement of accidental scars that may facilitate huge overhanging jug hauls.
I know plenty of people who gem hunt around these parts. You tend to get good crystals around the nonconformity between the underlying granitic rock and the younger overlying volcanic rock.
And BTW, I am going flash the sh#t out of Led Zep arete this spring... flash it like it was your mamma.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:23pm PT
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Brandon, were lucky around here most of the real stone I use comes from the excavation of the site nd is beutiful
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:25pm PT
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Ron, don't you think this is going to happen anyway as ongoing maintenance of the hwy, and slopes? Why not applaud it and concentrate on other real planned "improvements" in the area that would really have serious detrimental effect on the asthetics of the canyon. By going on record as approving such a minor measure you will have a credible platform to voice a vision of keeping the canyon in as pristine a state as reasonably possible. Now if we could just do something about the out of contol bolting and manufactured routes in the area...... p.s. am i wrong-are they going to go out of the slope area to any appreciable extent?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:28pm PT
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and Wes,, isnt an EA all that is required for the "small" operation? I did a whole timber sale beetle cut up blu lakes rd with only an EA..
No you didn't. You also had to get approval based on the findings of that EA.
and i hope you do Wes.. But the missing bolts still haven been re-installed.
Bolts, or hangers? If it is just hangers, I will be sure to bring some and rig it up. If it is bolts... I'd have to talk to the FA party before dealing with that, and I've heard he's kind of a weird old gun nut.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:29pm PT
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Where are the overbolted and manufactured routes you speak of? I wanna check them out!
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:31pm PT
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I love how Rick is all for removal of granite, yet apparently opposed to bolts.
Huh?
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:32pm PT
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I will buy some of the rocks.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:33pm PT
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Led Zep arete could be fixed up in about 45 min. that includes the 30 second approach. we went up there in the early nineties and there were no bolts up higher then. so we toproped
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:36pm PT
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Ron, One of the areas is at the woodcutters parking pretty much out of the hwy right of way. I built the house downstream directly down from cal trans.they wouldn't let us go over the hwy with power because it's considered a scenic corridor
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:39pm PT
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Kenny iv'e never paid much attention to the names of the formations but in the lower canyon is a 130' crack climb on perfect rock, with a perfectly protectable crack that is bolted every 10 feet-about 5.8 i would imagine. Up canyon about a half mile is an overhanging orange wall with artificial gym holds and grid bolted= both of these are on the southfacing side of the canyon.It doesn't bother me too much since i can easily climb the crack with natural protection and i am far from capable of climbing the overhanging wall by any combination of available artificial holds.However this practice could rob future generations of other climbs, as standards slowly rise, if carried to an extreme.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:42pm PT
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Bandit crag. I forgot yeah kind of ridiculous. Footloose was looking for some stainless hangers a while back ago and I recomended those. the Epoxy wall....Not my cup of tea but since Dan isn't around to defend his project wall we can leave that one alone
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:43pm PT
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Ron, i stand corrected if these harvest areas are not on slopes from which loose rocks naturally trundle onto the hwy.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:47pm PT
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I never thought I'd see the day where Ron writes about Qi (chi).
I was just swapping stories with a guy here in NH who was on the phone with MC at the top of the Leaning Tower that fateful day. That must have been hard to swallow.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 03:51pm PT
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new thread topic... Fix the Led Zep arete bolts and chop the bolts and holds on the Epoxy wall in case Sharma and Ondra want to climb there.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 04:04pm PT
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Wes, that is the boulder right on the north side of 88 just east of the hope valley store
Noah Kauffmans videos would be alot better without the crappy music and the encouragement. I have to mute them just to watch
EDIT: I should probably keep my opinions to myself
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 23, 2012 - 04:04pm PT
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Yeah ron, I did a long wandering climb somewhere down canyon with my little brother in about '74. Not that start or climb, but it had some pretty good sections of off width and chimney, between areas of choss and wandering, which checked in at about 4 pitches and 5.9 or so. I can't for the life of me identify the line or formation anymore.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
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Hey Ron, The bottom line for me is This guy isn't taking a few rocks for personal use. He is taking them for profit from our lands what are we getting out of it? more parking
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 23, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
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I tried to rally back up Leviathan Mine Rd one time to find the hot springs. Got the ex's SUV stuck and carried on on foot. No places to park that I could find. Almost got eaten by a cougar. Good times.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 23, 2012 - 04:49pm PT
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I just don't know which one is referred to as "Bertha." I like some of the music... and there is no doubt the dude gets busy with the boulders.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 04:51pm PT
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Bertha is below epoxy wall
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 23, 2012 - 04:53pm PT
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I've never seen the Epoxy wall... never looked for it either... I have an artificial wall in my garage.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 23, 2012 - 05:17pm PT
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Smells like piss...
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 05:33pm PT
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 07:08pm PT
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Yeah but next year that could be in somones front yard in sacto. I guess that's better than the middle of the hwy. that could get costly to remove
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 23, 2012 - 07:18pm PT
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Been to Mamma Cat countless times. Good boulder. Never that psyched on the other roadside boulders in that canyon.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 07:25pm PT
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Haven't got around to cleaning this one yet. bomber rock quality markleeville area
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 23, 2012 - 08:48pm PT
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I'd hit that
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
California
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Dec 23, 2012 - 09:10pm PT
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is that guano?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 09:41pm PT
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I like, Guano,Choss,sharks,blood Hell I like everything.Especially the tittie thread!
Wes, Hit me up this spring there's tons of that sh#t out there and it's alot better than it looks.
EDIT: Bryce you can come if you bring the hand sanitizer.
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
California
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Dec 23, 2012 - 10:37pm PT
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sick man. i'll bring the power washer too.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 23, 2012 - 10:37pm PT
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If everything goes according to plans I will be super busy until I leave for the month of March in Fontainebleau!!! But when I get back, I'm always psyched to clean new stone.
I'll trade a tour of your volcanic for a tour of my unrepeated problems at Luther Pass. Definitely worth a day.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 10:52pm PT
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We love to powerwash
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2012 - 11:01pm PT
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Sounds good wes, True value in markleeville is good sport climbin in the winter.
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wstmrnclmr
Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
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Dec 24, 2012 - 02:25pm PT
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Hi Kenny,
How's the climbing at Woodfords right after big snow dump like we just had? Climbing in sun OK? We plan on coming up there soon as we have a place to stay in Markleeville. Can you climb during the week?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2012 - 03:33pm PT
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wstmrnclmr, we probably need a couple nice day's to dry up. these photos are from today.
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wstmrnclmr
Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
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Dec 24, 2012 - 03:38pm PT
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Thanks for the info..We'll be up when we get a few days of sun....
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2012 - 03:43pm PT
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Ron,I'm going to spend some time at whites and the orange wall this year.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2012 - 09:15pm PT
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2012 - 11:57am PT
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Dan, I spoke with someone from the forest service and they said they had no idea how they would monitor this project.So my guess is this 1500 tons looks good for permitting purposes but will most likely be all the rock you can collect in three years possibly extended to five.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2012 - 12:04pm PT
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I heard this has caused alot more static than anyone had anticipated. so hopefully this guy can find a more suitable place to collect his stone
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2012 - 12:20pm PT
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Dan, click the link on the first page if you havent already
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2012 - 12:33pm PT
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Dan, I'm not sure but my friend at the f.s. say's that this isn't even close to being done and we should send letters to the head ranger genny wilson her address is in the link I posted
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Dec 25, 2012 - 12:59pm PT
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Sorry to hear about this. But this is just the tip of the iceberg we will be seeing nationwide as counties and states budgets deplete, they will be opening up options on quarrying, mining, logging, etc, that previously would have never been on the table. Very sad times for America. Ill write a letter even though never been, hoping for the best!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2012 - 01:07pm PT
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The say at the F.S. That this is a special use permit and not done for revenue just bus. as usual. I'm callin bullshit on that one if there was no money in it for them it wouldn't even be considered.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 25, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
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This is what one man with hand tools can do to the base of a boulder looking for artifacts.
1500 tons of grainite is only ~700 cubic yards, which would cover an area ~100'x200' if it were excavated 1' deep. It will be deeper than 1', so the areal extent will be less. Then there are the tracks, etc. It will be a scar for sure, and may affect access.
From what I've seen, it is much easier to augment and expand an operation once it is already going. Mining operations almost always fail to implement the proper restoration measures... if there even are any.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2012 - 01:27pm PT
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I understand Ron but he should have to find a more suitable location. I realize the locations he has chosen a very conveniant therefore increasing his profit margin.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2012 - 01:29pm PT
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Thanks for posting that photo Wes I was thinking of doing the same.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2012 - 01:32pm PT
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Mark my words it's going to look like a f*#king bomb went off there.
EDIT: Ron, Could we get a special use permit for the cave?
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Footloose
Trad climber
Lake Tahoe
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Dec 25, 2012 - 01:41pm PT
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My God, what next, a quarry?!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2012 - 01:45pm PT
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Gettin ins the hard part. once their in skys the limit
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2012 - 02:43pm PT
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You want granite??
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 27, 2012 - 01:46am PT
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kenny, any idea where this guy operates out of? Big city slicker from Reno?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 27, 2012 - 10:46am PT
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Wes, I think he's from Sparks
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BurnRockBurn
climber
South of Black Rock City (CC,NV)
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Dec 27, 2012 - 12:17pm PT
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Well this just sucks. Along with chim we have seen illegal taking of granite over the years in the proposed area illegally. Probably the same people that now want the permit.
Ron I do have LZA on my rebolt list priority one. Ill get it done this spring
Shawn
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 4, 2013 - 10:58am PT
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Forest service contact: genny wilson, gewilson@fs.fed.us
EDIT: the original contact keith whaley has been changed
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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nice
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Laine
Trad climber
Reno, NV
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Great work guys! I'll be sure to shoot an email asap.
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Laine
Trad climber
Reno, NV
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Done. Thanks for your efforts, Ron. You are a true steward to the Fords!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
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Ron, that is great news I just got back from the Cat scratch fever. cool route, and I like all that rock layin around where it belongs! Thank's for the follow up Ron, Good work Guy's.
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BurnRockBurn
climber
South of Black Rock City (CC,NV)
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Thanks everyone...... Im amazed it was actually stopped.
Shawn
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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Many thanks to Ron, Kenny, and everyone who has helped.
x2 !!!!!
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Footloose
Trad climber
Lake Tahoe
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Nicely done, Woodfords Club!
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