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jstan

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:37pm PT
Is the train wreck virus infectious? It seems to be. Maybe I better make myself scarce before I catch it.

Ta.
wallyvirginia

Trad climber
Stockholm, Sweden
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:38pm PT
I'm just giving an honest reaction here..

As an outsider reading this thread, I'm going to have to take Graniteclimber's side. He/she may be a bit hyper about it, but in general I think he/she has a point.

Regardless, the opening post struck me as a failed attempt of being a collected man's account for his issues. It really had more of a pathetic, over-emotional nature to it.

I take this from the talking about clues, prosecution, culprits, profiles, young foreign males, bla bla bla..

WTF? It's a couple of old ropes, that has been left to foul the side of a mountain for months, that now are missing. 500$ claim is a joke.

Some dumb kids probably took them.

That said, I think it's wrong to mess with other people's stuff, no matter of circumstances. Hope you get them back.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
wallyvirginia from Stockholm Sweden?

Whoa, there's an odd mix!
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
WTF? It's a couple of old ropes, that has been left to foul the side of a mountain for months, that now are missing. 500$ claim is a joke.


That being the value of the ropes is a joke but taking a few days to drive up from oakland to take them down is probably $500 worth of wasted time and gas, not to mention that now he has to waste even more time and gas getting the rope that wasn't taken down

Peace

Karl
Silver

Gym climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
He has a good point though Survival.

Dont touch other peoples stuff.

JamesG

Trad climber
Foster City, CA
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:11pm PT
Sorry to hear about the ropes, let me know if I can help get the rest down in any way.
burntheman

Trad climber
slt
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:25pm PT
interesting to see how these incidents play out based on who is involved. if joe smoe came on the taco and posted,

"REWARD OFFERED To anybody that gives information leading to the arrest and prosecution of said culprit, I will pay them a reward of $100.",

there would be sh#t slinging of enormous proportions at the OP by the same people who stand by Steve now.

"If you return my ropes to me, or offer me a satisfactory monetary compensation, AND a personal apology to me, then i promise to forgive you and that will be the end of it. No rangers, no prosecution, no big deal."

holy f*#king ego!

wallyvirginia

Trad climber
Stockholm, Sweden
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:41pm PT
Interesting to see how these incidents play out based on who is involved.

I witness this same BS everywhere, all the time.

David Beckham can get away with wearing a skirt and make-up, he'll still be considered a super manly soccer hero, because he scored so many goals for England in the past.

In fact, when he goes against the norm, it raises him even further for having the guts to do so, it makes him untouchable.

But when a regular Joe puts on a skirt and makeup. He gets spat on and called a faggot by the same people that worship Beckham.

It's a crazy world.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:53pm PT
Oh God... seasonal affective disorder... it's back again.


The long nights are starting to wear on the denizens of Supertopo. Relegation to high desert parking lot crags has left a sour taste in our collective mouths...
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Dec 5, 2012 - 03:06pm PT
Silver,

As you know, I am nothing if knott a fisherman. And the fish are really biting today! I barely cast in my lure, and they were on it like they hadn't eaten in weeks. I'm already 2 fer 2.
Chief

climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
Dec 5, 2012 - 03:06pm PT
Steve's definitely stirred up a shitstorm here.
Some informed perspectives on the specific situation and subject in general.
No shortage of the usual diatribe and odious invective either.

I've left fixed ropes on climbs and there's some that have been hanging for way too long and amount to crag litter. Very few of us who are at all active have avoided crossing the line in terms of what's reasonable or appropriate. Most of us don't like the look of fixed ropes left too long or abandoned.
It can be argued that to some degree, it does matter where the ropes are, who they belong to and their purpose. It doesn't require an unreasonable level of acuity to infer from observation why a rope may be fixed somewhere, whether it's appropriate or if it may have overstayed it's welcome.
Additionally, any equipment left on a climb is unfortunately, open game to whoever chooses to liberate it for whatever reason as there's no honor amongst thieves.
In this case, an adaptation of of an old adage may be apt; "hell hath no fury like climbers scorned."

Regardless of why the ropes were up or how long they were there, they were fair game for the unscrupulous or vindictive.

Steve made an easy target of himself merely raising the issue, especially here and in the context of his history. Many of us accepted Steve's act of contrition for WOS as sincere and evidence of his generally good character. As many of us know, making such amends whether accepted or not, doesn't remove the blight of past misdeeds but merely situate such events in our narratives in a manner that allows us to move forward.

If we don't like someone's fixed ropes, some options are;
Ask them to take them down,
Take them down, keep them and let the owners worry about what may have happened to them,
Take them down ourselves and sh#t on them,
Take them down ourselves and let the owners know where to find them,
Leave the ropes be and find something more important to worry about.

Steve, I wouldn't sweat a 100 meters of snarf low stretch rope.
Consider the context and be careful with your fixed ropes and how you react if someone has a problem with them or they go missing.

Respect,

PB


graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Dec 5, 2012 - 03:15pm PT
I was really intending to back away off on this thread, but I just had to take one more peek, and I see something that I just cannot help responding to.

Steve Schneider says:

since i was actively searching for partners for this route on this forum, i think that kind of identifies the ropes as mine, so i don't see why i should be leaving a note on the rock identifying mine.

So Steve thinks that if you climb it is your responsibility to not only read this forum, but also all of Steve's posts and threads?

Is it just me, or does this strike anyone else as presumptuous?

I read Supertopo much more than I should and I don't have time to read more than a small fraction of the threads.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Dec 5, 2012 - 03:44pm PT
It's just you.
Barbarian

Trad climber
New and Bionic too!
Dec 5, 2012 - 03:57pm PT
Steve,
I choose to look beyond the "how long were those lines hanging there" question.
Personally, I would not have taken your ropes....because they weren't mine. I wish more people thought that way.
I hope you get your stuff back.
Moof

Big Wall climber
Orygun
Dec 5, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
Sorry to hear about the $$$ loss, but having had to literally tangle with fixed ropes before, my sympathy is pretty limited. On WFLT bozos had left lines up to Awhanee, and being clipped in top and bottom somehow our bags got all snarled up. I didn't take the line, but I did chuck it off once we finished dealing with the cluster. Sure enough, as I looked back the next day, a different party was putting up ANOTHER set of fixed lines for some bandaloop stupidity. Fricking 3 ring circus...
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 5, 2012 - 04:17pm PT


One mans treasure is another mans junk...

Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 5, 2012 - 04:41pm PT
On WFLT bozos had left lines up to Awhanee, and being clipped in top and bottom somehow our bags got all snarled up. I didn't take the line, but I did chuck it off once we finished dealing with the cluster. Sure enough, as I looked back the next day, a different party was putting up ANOTHER set of fixed lines for some bandaloop stupidity. Fricking 3 ring circus...

Well as long as guys like you keep taking it up the a*# and keep smiling at the 'bozos' that fix several sets of lines on the same climb it will keep happening. Enjoy. If you had a penis maybe you would speak up about this inconvenience you had.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Dec 5, 2012 - 05:23pm PT
It appears to me that climbing permits are just around the corner, climber self conduct or policing is just not possible anymore. Too mainstream.

Chez, you just may well be correct on that matter.

One reason I 'quit' the Valley back in 1977, was because some of the BS that was going on, and continued. Egos, stuff being stolen, name calling. The camaraderie was slowing draining away. Sad.



EDIT

Thread drift

Wallyvirginia, how in the world did Beckham's name get involved in this thread? Oh, I get it.

because he scored so many goals for England in the past

But 17 goals in 115 matches for England? From an attacking midfielder/winger? And always taking free kicks and penalties? A bit short if you ask me. He is overrated. But he has had good advice, and turned his image into millions. World Class? Not a chance. A very good international, yeah I'll go along with that. A good deadball expert, but Ian Harte scored more from deadballs (percentage wise) than Beckham has/did, just for example.

On Beckham: "He cannot kick with his left foot, he cannot head a ball, he cannot tackle and he doesn't score many goals. Apart from that he's all right." George Best, a flawed genius

He and his keepers have been very good, no make that extremely good at promoting him, but he never was and never will be world class. Fair play to him though, he has made the utmost of his limited abilities.

And oh yes, go on you Bhoys, qualifying for the knockout stages tonight of the so-called Champions League. Come on Celtic. (Dream final: Barcelona versus Celtic. Well, I did say dream.)

Now back to the News at Nine.

"And in the climbing world, there is a debate going on about fixed lines, stealing ropes and general hysteria".

"It appears that not only do ropes get twisted, but some people's knickers as well".

"This is Paddy the Poster reporting live from Ireland, and a disclaimer, I am not a reporter for the Taco Stand".
Silver

Gym climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 05:54pm PT
Steve,
I choose to look beyond the "how long were those lines hanging there" question.
Personally, I would not have taken your ropes....because they weren't mine. I wish more people thought that way.
I hope you get your stuff back.

bingo grand slam no sh#t not your ropes dont touch them plain and simple.

Edit:

Coz ill give you 100 bucks to not be a dick.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Dec 5, 2012 - 06:00pm PT
One mans treasure is another mans junk...
just don't be treasuring another mans junk, way homo!
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