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klk

Trad climber
cali
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:17pm PT
another trainwreck

i guess the upside is that the mandingo thread is no longer at the top
shipoopoi

Big Wall climber
oakland
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 01:23pm PT
Well, here it is the day after. it looks like the ropes were taken after 11/16 or 11/17, and before 11/25. so, looks unlikely that i will never get these ropes back, and the material cost is not that big a deal, just my dismay at having my equipment taken. i'd just like to know what happened, what is going on here. since i was actively searching for partners for this route on this forum, i think that kind of identifies the ropes as mine, so i don't see why i should be leaving a note on the rock identifying mine. i was as active on this route as i could be, and redirected the rope straight down, off the dawn wall AND the real nose so they would not be in anybody's way. if anybody has a problem with my fixed lines, first of all, i'm sorry about that, but i hope somebody can contact me directly so i have a chance to respond and act on it. ss
jstan

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:37pm PT
Is the train wreck virus infectious? It seems to be. Maybe I better make myself scarce before I catch it.

Ta.
wallyvirginia

Trad climber
Stockholm, Sweden
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:38pm PT
I'm just giving an honest reaction here..

As an outsider reading this thread, I'm going to have to take Graniteclimber's side. He/she may be a bit hyper about it, but in general I think he/she has a point.

Regardless, the opening post struck me as a failed attempt of being a collected man's account for his issues. It really had more of a pathetic, over-emotional nature to it.

I take this from the talking about clues, prosecution, culprits, profiles, young foreign males, bla bla bla..

WTF? It's a couple of old ropes, that has been left to foul the side of a mountain for months, that now are missing. 500$ claim is a joke.

Some dumb kids probably took them.

That said, I think it's wrong to mess with other people's stuff, no matter of circumstances. Hope you get them back.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
wallyvirginia from Stockholm Sweden?

Whoa, there's an odd mix!
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
WTF? It's a couple of old ropes, that has been left to foul the side of a mountain for months, that now are missing. 500$ claim is a joke.


That being the value of the ropes is a joke but taking a few days to drive up from oakland to take them down is probably $500 worth of wasted time and gas, not to mention that now he has to waste even more time and gas getting the rope that wasn't taken down

Peace

Karl
Silver

Gym climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
He has a good point though Survival.

Dont touch other peoples stuff.

JamesG

Trad climber
Foster City, CA
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:11pm PT
Sorry to hear about the ropes, let me know if I can help get the rest down in any way.
burntheman

Trad climber
slt
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:25pm PT
interesting to see how these incidents play out based on who is involved. if joe smoe came on the taco and posted,

"REWARD OFFERED To anybody that gives information leading to the arrest and prosecution of said culprit, I will pay them a reward of $100.",

there would be sh#t slinging of enormous proportions at the OP by the same people who stand by Steve now.

"If you return my ropes to me, or offer me a satisfactory monetary compensation, AND a personal apology to me, then i promise to forgive you and that will be the end of it. No rangers, no prosecution, no big deal."

holy f*#king ego!

wallyvirginia

Trad climber
Stockholm, Sweden
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:41pm PT
Interesting to see how these incidents play out based on who is involved.

I witness this same BS everywhere, all the time.

David Beckham can get away with wearing a skirt and make-up, he'll still be considered a super manly soccer hero, because he scored so many goals for England in the past.

In fact, when he goes against the norm, it raises him even further for having the guts to do so, it makes him untouchable.

But when a regular Joe puts on a skirt and makeup. He gets spat on and called a faggot by the same people that worship Beckham.

It's a crazy world.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:53pm PT
Oh God... seasonal affective disorder... it's back again.


The long nights are starting to wear on the denizens of Supertopo. Relegation to high desert parking lot crags has left a sour taste in our collective mouths...
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Dec 5, 2012 - 03:06pm PT
Silver,

As you know, I am nothing if knott a fisherman. And the fish are really biting today! I barely cast in my lure, and they were on it like they hadn't eaten in weeks. I'm already 2 fer 2.
Chief

climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
Dec 5, 2012 - 03:06pm PT
Steve's definitely stirred up a shitstorm here.
Some informed perspectives on the specific situation and subject in general.
No shortage of the usual diatribe and odious invective either.

I've left fixed ropes on climbs and there's some that have been hanging for way too long and amount to crag litter. Very few of us who are at all active have avoided crossing the line in terms of what's reasonable or appropriate. Most of us don't like the look of fixed ropes left too long or abandoned.
It can be argued that to some degree, it does matter where the ropes are, who they belong to and their purpose. It doesn't require an unreasonable level of acuity to infer from observation why a rope may be fixed somewhere, whether it's appropriate or if it may have overstayed it's welcome.
Additionally, any equipment left on a climb is unfortunately, open game to whoever chooses to liberate it for whatever reason as there's no honor amongst thieves.
In this case, an adaptation of of an old adage may be apt; "hell hath no fury like climbers scorned."

Regardless of why the ropes were up or how long they were there, they were fair game for the unscrupulous or vindictive.

Steve made an easy target of himself merely raising the issue, especially here and in the context of his history. Many of us accepted Steve's act of contrition for WOS as sincere and evidence of his generally good character. As many of us know, making such amends whether accepted or not, doesn't remove the blight of past misdeeds but merely situate such events in our narratives in a manner that allows us to move forward.

If we don't like someone's fixed ropes, some options are;
Ask them to take them down,
Take them down, keep them and let the owners worry about what may have happened to them,
Take them down ourselves and sh#t on them,
Take them down ourselves and let the owners know where to find them,
Leave the ropes be and find something more important to worry about.

Steve, I wouldn't sweat a 100 meters of snarf low stretch rope.
Consider the context and be careful with your fixed ropes and how you react if someone has a problem with them or they go missing.

Respect,

PB


graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Dec 5, 2012 - 03:15pm PT
I was really intending to back away off on this thread, but I just had to take one more peek, and I see something that I just cannot help responding to.

Steve Schneider says:

since i was actively searching for partners for this route on this forum, i think that kind of identifies the ropes as mine, so i don't see why i should be leaving a note on the rock identifying mine.

So Steve thinks that if you climb it is your responsibility to not only read this forum, but also all of Steve's posts and threads?

Is it just me, or does this strike anyone else as presumptuous?

I read Supertopo much more than I should and I don't have time to read more than a small fraction of the threads.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Dec 5, 2012 - 03:44pm PT
It's just you.
Barbarian

Trad climber
New and Bionic too!
Dec 5, 2012 - 03:57pm PT
Steve,
I choose to look beyond the "how long were those lines hanging there" question.
Personally, I would not have taken your ropes....because they weren't mine. I wish more people thought that way.
I hope you get your stuff back.
Jeremy

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Dec 5, 2012 - 04:00pm PT
Sh#t,..I have ropes fixed all over the f*#king place...sometimes in 3 different states.

Big f*#king deal. Whoever took them down was just being an asswipe...plain and simple.

F*#king Yosemite...geez guys...

JA
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 5, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
"hell hath no fury like climbers scorned."


Perry you are so right. Yet there is a perfectly simple solution if we would just remember our time honored traditions:


Nothing calms the troubled climbers soul like a climber stoned
Moof

Big Wall climber
Orygun
Dec 5, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
Sorry to hear about the $$$ loss, but having had to literally tangle with fixed ropes before, my sympathy is pretty limited. On WFLT bozos had left lines up to Awhanee, and being clipped in top and bottom somehow our bags got all snarled up. I didn't take the line, but I did chuck it off once we finished dealing with the cluster. Sure enough, as I looked back the next day, a different party was putting up ANOTHER set of fixed lines for some bandaloop stupidity. Fricking 3 ring circus...
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 5, 2012 - 04:17pm PT


One mans treasure is another mans junk...

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