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Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Dec 5, 2012 - 05:23pm PT
It appears to me that climbing permits are just around the corner, climber self conduct or policing is just not possible anymore. Too mainstream.

Chez, you just may well be correct on that matter.

One reason I 'quit' the Valley back in 1977, was because some of the BS that was going on, and continued. Egos, stuff being stolen, name calling. The camaraderie was slowing draining away. Sad.


Thread drift

Wallyvirginia, how in the world did Beckham's name get involved in this thread? Oh, I get it.

because he scored so many goals for England in the past

But 17 goals in 115 matches for England? From an attacking midfielder/winger? And always taking free kicks and penalties? A bit short if you ask me. He is overrated. But he has had good advice, and turned his image into millions. World Class? Not a chance. A very good international, yeah I'll go along with that. A good deadball expert, but Ian Harte scored more from deadballs (percentage wise) than Beckham has/did, just for example.

On Beckham: "He cannot kick with his left foot, he cannot head a ball, he cannot tackle and he doesn't score many goals. Apart from that he's all right." George Best, a flawed genius

He and his keepers have been very good, no make that extremely good at promoting him, but he never was and never will be world class. Fair play to him though, he has made the utmost of his limited abilities.

And oh yes, go on you Bhoys, qualifying for the knockout stages tonight of the so-called Champions League. Come on Celtic. (Dream final: Barcelona versus Celtic. Well, I did say dream.)

Now back to the News at Nine.

"And in the climbing world, there is a debate going on about fixed lines, stealing ropes and general hysteria".

"It appears that not only do ropes get twisted, but some people's knickers as well".

"This is Paddy the Poster reporting live from Ireland, and a disclaimer, I am not a reporter for the Taco Stand".

Gym climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 05:54pm PT
I choose to look beyond the "how long were those lines hanging there" question.
Personally, I would not have taken your ropes....because they weren't mine. I wish more people thought that way.
I hope you get your stuff back.

bingo grand slam no sh#t not your ropes dont touch them plain and simple.


Coz ill give you 100 bucks to not be a dick.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 5, 2012 - 05:55pm PT

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!

Dec 5, 2012 - 01:17pm PT

One mans treasure is another mans junk...

Glad you didnt phrase it the other way around!

"one mans JUNK , is another mans treasure"

Jon Beck

Trad climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 06:00pm PT
One mans treasure is another mans junk...
just don't be treasuring another mans junk, way homo!
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 5, 2012 - 06:05pm PT
Coz ill give you 100 bucks to not be a dick.

LOL, how about give him 100$ to find out about why he hasn't revealed anything when time frame for his BD ultimatum ran out? That was lulz.

Sport climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 06:13pm PT
Someone probably saw your shitty conditioned, hard to rap ropes, and pulled them because they were unsafe looking.

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Dec 5, 2012 - 06:26pm PT
Coz ill give you 100 bucks to not be a dick.


Trad climber
Flank of the Bighorns
Dec 5, 2012 - 06:29pm PT
Where is the Audio Rant(tm)?

Surely a this deserves one.

Gym climber
berkeley, ca
Dec 5, 2012 - 06:30pm PT
I was reading this thread and thought, 'What a bunch of dicks."

And then I saw this:

Coz ill give you 100 bucks to not be a dick,

and I almost peed.

So I guess I'm one too.
Mighty Hiker

Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 5, 2012 - 06:54pm PT
Didn't some guys named Robbins, Pratt, Chouinard and Frost opine 50 years ago that using fixed ropes in Yosemite wasn't good style? And didn't they do their best to live up to their words? And wasn't that the accepted ethos for decades? So what's changed? Apart, that is, from climbers now having a lot more money, knowledge and equipment.

Of course, old farts rarely know anything worth hearing, eh?

Trad climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 06:55pm PT
The power driller flames the fixer! Classic!!

Dec 5, 2012 - 07:03pm PT
I have a confession to make for something I stole fifty years ago. I stole a really nice shirt, a pair of pants, and a balaclava in the Adirondacks. Some one had left them fixed in a garbage pit and I ignored the possibility they were an essential part of a world shaking project. Now I want to allay anyone's feelings that I am totally without principle. I also could have stolen a pair of socks and a set of underwear. Subliminally I must have allowed for the fact my taking those might have resulted in someone dying. The latter are, after all, essential gear.

I am assured the owner of that clothing is out there reading ST. Therefore I want to apologize here for my heinous disregard and to make a request. i just want you to know that was my favourite shirt for more than ten years. I still have its remains in my nostalgia drawer and will return it if you would like.

If you decide to fix another shirt please make it of the same tartan and size.

Thank you,

On another matter along these lines.

In our efforts to clean up an area that climbers use in JT I am storing some items that were located near the East edge. I need to get them back to their owners. If anyone here knows someone who used the area and had stuff on the East side could you ask them to get in touch with me. Appreciate it.
scuffy b

heading slowly NNW
Dec 5, 2012 - 09:04pm PT
Hey Patrick, as long as you're quoting Georgie Best, here's a good one from
back when he was still playing (and a player):

"If I'd been born ugly, the world would never have heard of Pele."

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Dec 5, 2012 - 09:16pm PT
I'm truly concern for SS and his rant, really seems absurd.

The post and it's threatening bad karma and criminal prosecution hit me the wrong way. But I think you nail it in calling it a rant When you think about like that, it really isn't absurd.

If I drove down to the Valley just to take down my ropes and found the ropes gone (no ropes for next project) and my trip wasted (waste of gas, waste of time)I would be angry also and might be doing some ranting of my own, and it could be just as "bad" or worse than anything Steve said.

Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
Dec 5, 2012 - 09:39pm PT
Mighty Hiker....Didn't someone named Warren Harding, a climber equally as well known as Robbins, Pratt put up the first serious climb on the Captain, by far the most well known climb in the world using fixed gear of all sorts, fueling the ethos debate still raging today? Surely your old enough to remember him. I am equally humbled by both Robbins and Harding....

And only Steve Schneider knows his Karmic score: How much good or bad he's done collectively in his life and thus non of us may judge his Karma nor can we judge others'.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 5, 2012 - 09:54pm PT
If I drove down to the Valley just to take down my ropes and found the ropes gone (no ropes for next project) and my trip wasted (waste of gas, waste of time)I would be angry also and might be doing some ranting of my own, and it could be just as "bad" or worse than anything Steve said.

What? Sanity and Balance is taking hold on this thread?! The Mayan are right! The transformation of the world is at hand



Trad climber
OAK (nee NH)
Dec 5, 2012 - 10:17pm PT
Steve, my former neighbor and generally good guy and someone I would consider a friend,

Do yourself a favor and delete this thread. Seriously. I don't want to have to visit you in prison.

Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:46am PT
THREAD DRIFT (but this thread could use a bit of lightheartedness)

Scuffy B

One of the best but flawed

I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.
George Best

I used to go missing a lot... Miss Canada, Miss United Kingdom, Miss World.
George Best

I've stopped drinking, but only while I'm asleep.
George Best

In 1969 I gave up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life.
George Best

I once said Gazza's IQ was less than his shirt number and he asked me: "What's an IQ?"
George Best, Best on Paul Gascoigne.

I was in for 10 hours and had 40 pints - beating my previous record by 20 minutes.
George Best, regarding a blood transfusion for his liver transplant

Scuffy what's the one story, he's in The Ritz, and the room service waiter comes in to see Best and Miss World on the bed with loads of pounds notes scattered all over, and the waiter says: "Where did it all go wrong Mr Best?"

I knew a guy in London and he was drinking mates with Best. He said that George always wanted to pick a table near the women's toilets. "Why?", "Because at some point tonight, every woman is going to have to use the loo," Best replied. And sure enough, women would be leaving their telephone numbers on George's table.

Okay, back to fixed lines, litter and hysterics.

I used to have a football pal, Mike Simon, that I played with on a couple of teams until the the San Jose Earthquakes (the older team in the NASL, not the renamed Houston Dynamo or the new San Jose Earthquakes) drafted him. Mike said that Best was a footballing genius, as he played with Best for the Earthquakes.

In 1982, Northern Ireland having qualified for the 1982 World Cup, NI manager Billy Bingham said he would take a fit George Best to the finals.

Around April, 1982 Middlesborough were bottom of the old English First Division and wanted to sign Best as a 'gate draw', you know, bums on seats in theater talk. The Earthquakes said: "Okay George, go to England, get match fit , go to the World Cup, and then come back to us."

Best went a missing for two weeks on a binge. No World Cup, which some may say why he wasn't a great player. But of course, he was.

A common description of his place in football history is summed up by the quote "Maradona good; Pelé better; George Best."

What does this have to do with climbing? Absolutely nothing, but I did state at the start that it was thread drift.
Scott Thelen

Trad climber
Truckee, Ca
Dec 6, 2012 - 08:04am PT
I think it's karma for naming a peak in the Sierra Mt Bandaloop :-}

A friends backyard with the neighbors wifi
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:03am PT
Steve- I am sorry your lines got taken. That is lame. I am not the biggest fan of leaving fixed lines up for long stretches, BUT yours were on an obscurity and were nicely strung up. I saw them at the end of October and they were well out of the way of everything. No reason anyone should have taken them without contacting you or making it known they were doing so.

did you double check it wasn't the NPS?

To (most) of the rest of you --- You don't climb, hike, walk, look at or go near el cap. Don't convolute a real issue with an issue of the past. Shut the f*#k up if you having nothing to say directed at the issue of someone jugging and taking the lines. Go back to your armchair and rub your balls some more.
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