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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Nov 16, 2012 - 08:49am PT
Survival, as you well know, That DOESNT stop the will of the people to be FREE. Never has. The last time we fell under such "laws" we went to war and kicked the british out of the country. EVERY military and ex military person i know says they will NOT co-operate with any such law in any shape or form. Their OATH contains the reasoning.. "enemies foreign and domestic".


edit: John,, yes that is exactly it. That was the ADD ON and an extension of executive powers to the Patriot act. This has been going on for many presidents past- to seek executive powers. But the very language of the 2013 bill should chill one to the bones.


They can detain anyone for any reason for any length of time with out due process and when and if your put on trial it will be through a military tribunal and not article 111 courts..
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 16, 2012 - 08:53am PT
Guns don't kill people








Bullets kill people


and they are also good for shooting dogs at the crags





;-)
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Nov 16, 2012 - 08:54am PT
I used to think like Weege. I don't agree with guns because they make it far too easy to kill someone.

I also hear what Ron is saying:
Ive lived 54 years thus far and never have seen the likes of what goes on today. I use the Germany of old in comparison to these actions taken by our govt as the 2013 law does not deal with terrorism but rather "belligerents". Which means You or I. A blanket law that allows them to do anything they please to US w/o due process of any article 111 kind. Its quite easy to compare that to Nazi Germany, and what we accept today will be increased upon tomorrow.

There is just too much evidence something weird is going on... So I don't know what to think anymore. I do know that learning how to hunt could be very useful when the food chain is disrupted.....

Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Nov 16, 2012 - 08:56am PT
I'm at a loss as to what the heck they are so afraid of?

Well? is it the black guy. the bears, the snowboarders or the heathen PBR poets that have your camo- pajamas in a bunch?

Judgmental, gun-toting Christians, the best argument for Atheism.


John M

climber
Nov 16, 2012 - 08:56am PT
But the very language of the 2013 bill should chill one to the bones.

Ron.. My bones were chilled with the Patriot act. And the various not for regular criminals ( meaning they sit empty right now ) detention centers that have been build around the country. Many of them during the Bush era.

Glad to see you are awake now.

So I don't really blame Obama.. He is part of a much bigger problem. Mitt or McCain would have done the same thing, but the gun toters probably wouldn't have gone out and bought as many guns or as much ammunition. And Bush was definitely part of it, with his pals Cheney and Rumsfeld.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Nov 16, 2012 - 09:02am PT
Indeed John there are ammo, supply and prison stations now built across the country. And i was also concerned with the Patriot act as there were many that feared exactly what has happened- that the act would be added to as most all presidents for quite some time have attempted to gain executive powers never meant for them to have by the constitution. And it wouldnt matter who is in office no doubt there. Time for we the people to get LOUD on this.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 16, 2012 - 09:04am PT
Wait....lemmegetthisstraight....this isn't Obama's fault?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Nov 16, 2012 - 09:07am PT
and Wade,, no they are concerned about CARTELS, and the some 400,000 KNOWN gang members- gang members that exhibit the most violent acts there are in this country presently. The same ones the GOVT ALLOWS here. 400,000 KNOWN- which should equal 400,000 deportations or imprisoned gang members. They are afraid of being robbed in broad daylight by these individuals. They are afraid when hiking and they stumble into a large cartel plantation- as well they should be.
Then throw in the NDAA 2013 law and they also become afraid of their own govt.



edit: apogee YES the 2013 law is ALL Obamas language..So THAT add on is his 100%- and is the WORST of all add ons to the Patriot act.
new world order2

climber
Nov 16, 2012 - 09:09am PT
So goes the new world order re the NDAA law.

Folks are buying guns in record numbers cause soon gov't will be taking them away, and or making ownership illegal.

Interesting, Chicago and New York have some of the harshest gun control laws in the country. Yet these two cities have the highest rates of gun crime. Go figure.

You sheeple are ka-lou-less as to what's in store for us.

Freakin' bah-ah-ah. Y'all need to be sent to FEMA re-education camps.

^^^^ :) Said with a smile.

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apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 16, 2012 - 09:11am PT
Phew....for a minute there, I thought Ron had actually opened his mind.
John M

climber
Nov 16, 2012 - 09:12am PT
You sheeple are ka-lou-less as to what's in store for us.

Thanks NWO2. I just loves it when you talk dirty. I probably never would have figured any of this out without your help oh wise one.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Nov 16, 2012 - 09:13am PT
Ron...we all know what you are concerned about. I was addressing the premise of the OP. Why don't you start an NDAA/Patriot act/Cartel from Compton thread and then all your posts will be on topic.
John M

climber
Nov 16, 2012 - 09:13am PT
Apogee, some day you need to learn to read Ronisms..

Ron has stated in the past that he knows this didn't start with liberals. Its not a liberal/conservative thing. He blames Obama right now because he is the one in power and it is appearing that what they want to add is going to make the government even scarier.

It is true that he is much more vocal now then under Bush. He is less afraid of conservatives.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 16, 2012 - 09:17am PT
"...some day you need to learn to read Ronisms.. "

Yeah, and if I'm truly 'fair & balanced', I should probably read Michelle Bachmann's autobiography when it comes out.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Nov 16, 2012 - 09:17am PT
apogee what have i said that is incorrect??

FAKTS ARE: the 2013 bill is all Obamas,, not bush,, not Cheney, Not any one else but obama. But he has followed suit of many previous presidents including bush. So he shouldn't be credited with the idea but rather the increasing of said "idea"..




I wonder if this is how Germany felt as the fell under rule of someone with very SIMILAR laws to control the citizenry? And what will the NEXT addition to the patriot act include??




edit: Once again,,,,I wasnt ON THE INTERNET for Bush.. And Yes i complained loudly then too. I wanted to see SAUDI Arabia pay for 911, not Iraq.
John M

climber
Nov 16, 2012 - 09:19am PT
Ron.. what people react to is you act like all this crazy stuff is all the liberals fault. You didn't hardly say anything when Bush was in charge. You are much much much more vocal now.


Edit

My God apogee.. how can you even say that woman's name. ( if she is in fact really a woman and not some serpent alien ) egad man.. I need a twinkie
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 16, 2012 - 09:23am PT
Survival, as you well know, That DOESNT stop the will of the people to be FREE. Never has. The last time we fell under such "laws" we went to war and kicked the british out of the country. EVERY military and ex military person i know says they will NOT co-operate with any such law in any shape or form. Their OATH contains the reasoning.. "enemies foreign and domestic".

Holy sh#t Ron, you took my comment about quantities of arms, and you turned it into the government?!

That's the kind of twist that might make some think that you're going a little extreme.....
You should go reread my post.

But I'm here for ya man.

That being said, there's nothing in a battleship showdown like the one that can a shoot a couple miles further!

John M

climber
Nov 16, 2012 - 09:25am PT
Ron did join the forum in March of 2009. Right when we got that Muslim president.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Nov 16, 2012 - 09:28am PT
You fear the gun but not the knife,
rely on your fist to defend your life.
Willing to give your rights away
for delusions of safety you gain that way.
Dems or repubs hell the green party too
will all just impose their own ideals upon you.
The will of man-
Enforce his will
upon his fellow man.
That is the result of the societal plan.
This rant o'er guns is just idealistic spate,
more justification to subjugate.
Thank God we all live in a country thats free.
But how do i force my belief upon Thee?
Take a toke
make a vote
its majority rule
We make laws
we write clause
think you,re free...
You,re a fool.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Nov 16, 2012 - 09:28am PT
dont know when i joined this forum.. I never had a computer until Dec of 07. So it was after that.





edit: Survival, what do your VET friends say?

For many this is all far fetched whooowah. And i see that point. But then black and white is black and white. The NDAA black and white says i could disappear come january. Super Topo is getting very good coverage on internet searches. (good management of the site i suppose)
Im in that column of "belligerents" as im not singing praise to our govt. So what does that mean for me? Perhaps ill stop posting ANY political content come JAN. Thus they stifle my freedom of speech. Not even cell phones will be safe from prying ears. So then the choice is just take it..


What would my long lost cousin Daniel Boone say about all this? A man dedicated to freedom for all. He would probably say the british are coming!
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