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GDavis
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SOL CAL
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Nov 16, 2012 - 11:26am PT
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Hey if there were no more forks nobody would stab themselves in the eye!
Lets nerf the world!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 16, 2012 - 11:39am PT
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Big piles of guns and ammo will not win the day if you take the first one between the eyes.
Over 20 Navy Seals with Air support have been taken out with a single rocket. Not the norm, but all I'm saying is that just because you think you're all badass and armed doesn't mean you won't drop as though you were standing there empty handed.
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John M
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Nov 16, 2012 - 11:48am PT
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DAMM SKIPPY the 2013 NDAA law is ALL obamas. And i ask WHY would such constitutional eroding laws would be put into place against US as attached to the DHS and terrorism.? Once again, the 2013 law has NOTHING to do with terrorism, it deals with citizen "belligerents".
I think that I know what this is, but could someone give me a synopsis? I looked this up and it sounds like something I thought the gov had been working on for some time. Not really an Obama thing, but something started quite awhile ago. The Patriot act being a big part of it.
Something like.'
If we think you are a terrorist or just someone we don't like.
We can arrest you.
We don't have to tell you why.
We don't have to tell anyone why.
You have rights, but we can ignore them.
Is this the gist?
We can hold you as long as we want.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 16, 2012 - 11:53am PT
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Guns don't kill people
Bullets kill people
and they are also good for shooting dogs at the crags
;-)
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Nov 16, 2012 - 11:54am PT
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I used to think like Weege. I don't agree with guns because they make it far too easy to kill someone.
I also hear what Ron is saying:
Ive lived 54 years thus far and never have seen the likes of what goes on today. I use the Germany of old in comparison to these actions taken by our govt as the 2013 law does not deal with terrorism but rather "belligerents". Which means You or I. A blanket law that allows them to do anything they please to US w/o due process of any article 111 kind. Its quite easy to compare that to Nazi Germany, and what we accept today will be increased upon tomorrow.
There is just too much evidence something weird is going on... So I don't know what to think anymore. I do know that learning how to hunt could be very useful when the food chain is disrupted.....
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 16, 2012 - 11:56am PT
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I'm at a loss as to what the heck they are so afraid of?
Well? is it the black guy. the bears, the snowboarders or the heathen PBR poets that have your camo- pajamas in a bunch?
Judgmental, gun-toting Christians, the best argument for Atheism.
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John M
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Nov 16, 2012 - 11:56am PT
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But the very language of the 2013 bill should chill one to the bones.
Ron.. My bones were chilled with the Patriot act. And the various not for regular criminals ( meaning they sit empty right now ) detention centers that have been build around the country. Many of them during the Bush era.
Glad to see you are awake now.
So I don't really blame Obama.. He is part of a much bigger problem. Mitt or McCain would have done the same thing, but the gun toters probably wouldn't have gone out and bought as many guns or as much ammunition. And Bush was definitely part of it, with his pals Cheney and Rumsfeld.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 16, 2012 - 12:04pm PT
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Wait....lemmegetthisstraight....this isn't Obama's fault?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 16, 2012 - 12:11pm PT
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Phew....for a minute there, I thought Ron had actually opened his mind.
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John M
climber
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Nov 16, 2012 - 12:12pm PT
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You sheeple are ka-lou-less as to what's in store for us.
Thanks NWO2. I just loves it when you talk dirty. I probably never would have figured any of this out without your help oh wise one.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 16, 2012 - 12:13pm PT
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Ron...we all know what you are concerned about. I was addressing the premise of the OP. Why don't you start an NDAA/Patriot act/Cartel from Compton thread and then all your posts will be on topic.
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John M
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Nov 16, 2012 - 12:13pm PT
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Apogee, some day you need to learn to read Ronisms..
Ron has stated in the past that he knows this didn't start with liberals. Its not a liberal/conservative thing. He blames Obama right now because he is the one in power and it is appearing that what they want to add is going to make the government even scarier.
It is true that he is much more vocal now then under Bush. He is less afraid of conservatives.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 16, 2012 - 12:17pm PT
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"...some day you need to learn to read Ronisms.. "
Yeah, and if I'm truly 'fair & balanced', I should probably read Michelle Bachmann's autobiography when it comes out.
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John M
climber
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Nov 16, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
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Ron.. what people react to is you act like all this crazy stuff is all the liberals fault. You didn't hardly say anything when Bush was in charge. You are much much much more vocal now.
Edit
My God apogee.. how can you even say that woman's name. ( if she is in fact really a woman and not some serpent alien ) egad man.. I need a twinkie
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 16, 2012 - 12:23pm PT
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Survival, as you well know, That DOESNT stop the will of the people to be FREE. Never has. The last time we fell under such "laws" we went to war and kicked the british out of the country. EVERY military and ex military person i know says they will NOT co-operate with any such law in any shape or form. Their OATH contains the reasoning.. "enemies foreign and domestic".
Holy sh#t Ron, you took my comment about quantities of arms, and you turned it into the government?!
That's the kind of twist that might make some think that you're going a little extreme.....
You should go reread my post.
But I'm here for ya man.
That being said, there's nothing in a battleship showdown like the one that can a shoot a couple miles further!
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John M
climber
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Nov 16, 2012 - 12:25pm PT
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Ron did join the forum in March of 2009. Right when we got that Muslim president.
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Nov 16, 2012 - 12:28pm PT
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You fear the gun but not the knife,
rely on your fist to defend your life.
Willing to give your rights away
for delusions of safety you gain that way.
Dems or repubs hell the green party too
will all just impose their own ideals upon you.
The will of man-
Enforce his will
upon his fellow man.
That is the result of the societal plan.
This rant o'er guns is just idealistic spate,
more justification to subjugate.
Thank God we all live in a country thats free.
But how do i force my belief upon Thee?
Take a toke
make a vote
its majority rule
We make laws
we write clause
think you,re free...
You,re a fool.
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John M
climber
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Nov 16, 2012 - 12:31pm PT
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I checked Ron.. Your first post was March 18 2009.
I got secret govment contacts.
If you have any ding dongs. I'm willing to trade with you. the secret handshake is two fist knocks and an elbow touch. Don't forget it and don't spread it to anyone you don't' trust.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 16, 2012 - 12:33pm PT
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G'damn that was funny!
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