Thank You Veterans!

Search
Go

Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
Messages 61 - 80 of total 118 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Captain...or Skully

climber
Nov 13, 2012 - 04:43pm PT
That's a mighty high horse, Karl.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 13, 2012 - 04:50pm PT
We have this myth that only WE are noble

Most of us veterans know better than that.

WE (whoever that is) were noble in the revolutionary war, Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea (You wouldn't believe how many wreaths I've seen in DC from Korean citizens) and you might also be amazed by how many Vietnamese thank us as well, for our effort. I lived next to a Vietnamese shopping mall where there was a South Vietnamese flag flying 24 hours a day. It never came down.

It's just not as simple as war is bad Karl, sorry.....
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Nov 13, 2012 - 04:59pm PT
Maybe Soldiers should get over their conditioned manner of silence over the horror of what they go through and question the government as well, so others don't have to do what they did

Yes, there IS a culture of keep it to yourself. They're making effort to dispel that but it won't change anytime soon. But I gotta say Karl, this statement is really unenlightened and lacks compassion. Here's why. wait, nevermind, unless you've been through it, you just can't understand. It's people who say "just get over it" that boil my blood. I didn't deploy, I was raped. I was told 2 weeks ago by another Vet that if this had happened to me while I worked at a bank, I wouldn't get any of the VA benefits that I have because I didn't kill anyone or get shot at. I just wanted to do my job.

Tami

Social climber
Canada
Nov 13, 2012 - 05:04pm PT
This being a thread to thank veterans, how'bout moving it back to that.

I haven't served. My dad did and my son does. Dad joined up in '42 , age 21, because he had friends overseas fighting Hitler or the Japanese and he felt he should put forward his effort towards an Allied victory. He trained in the RCAF in Manitoba on Lancasters as a navigator but the war ended before he went overseas.

My son serves in the RCN and is training in the acoustic dep't. Has volunteered for the silent service. Will letchya know next Remembrance Day how that's going.

Thankyou vets! May wars be few! May Peace prevail!

The Cenotaph at Victory Square in Vancouver reads:
"Their name liveth for evermore"
"Is it nothing to you."
"All ye that pass by."
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Nov 13, 2012 - 09:24pm PT
Name: “Hippie” name given to me by my fellow team members

Branch of Service: US Army

Years of Service: 1966-1968 minus three months or short

Where you Basic trained: Ft. Ord, CA and Ft. Benning, Georgia

Where you were stationed: Viet Nam with the 101st Airborne

If in a war where? Viet Nam: Duc Pho, Chu Lai, Ban Loc, Phan Rang, Song Ve, Cambodia, Saigon, Cam Ranh Bay and surrounding areas, Da Nang and surrounding areas, a few other areas, last mission Southeast of Hue in the hills gathering info on route 547: a year prior to the battles for A Shau valley. The first one was a Special Forces camp a few years earlier that was over run and held by the North Vietnamese.

Good thoughts and thinking about what some have said here as well as the Honour during Sandy Storm post. That one went somewhere else as well but things need to be addressed as well on this site which I will address both by this week. Chief you are doing it again you can address your anger on my post by the end of this week, as others on thoughts about war.

As for now: To all that have served that still live no matter what you believe was right or wrong, for my fellow team members;just needed one second; thought I was history but the last few that were left got me home. Thanks.

And an Honour to the men, who I killed, sacrificed and are suffering the same pains like a lot of our own as well in fighting against us for their country for what they believed in. A salute to the veterans and people of Viet Nam.

Some memories are best lost, but then there are those of who you served with which are best saved forever.
Gilroy

Social climber
Boulderado
Nov 13, 2012 - 09:54pm PT
Karl -

I respect many of the things you have posted on ST but this thread is not about which war you approved of. It's about the individuals who served their country and whether you think they were righteous or not, you benefit from their sacrifices and contributions.

Those who failed morally in their actions in uniform are to be held accountable but just as the US military has not always been noble, neither have our opponents. Nothing about war is pretty or neatly controlled by the Geneva Agreements. This should be remembered when those tenets are transgressed by warriors in battle.

There may have been too many wars, in your opinion, which I do not dispute. We could all do with fewer of our brothers in arms, our sons and daughters dieing in uniform. On the other hand, some wars may have been prevented by our military intervention in the face of foreign hegemony. This may be a matter of political conjecture. Nonetheless, what the Generals, Presidents, Premiers and kings decide to do with military might is very different from what this thread is about.

Keith
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 13, 2012 - 09:59pm PT
As for now: To all that have served that still live no matter what you believe was right or wrong, for my fellow team members;just needed one second; thought I was history but the last few that were left got me home. Thanks.

And an Honour to the men, who I killed, sacrificed and are suffering the same pains like a lot of our own as well in fighting against us for their country for what they believed in. A salute to the veterans and people of Viet Nam.

Some memories are best lost, but then there are those of who you served with which are best saved forever.

Great Post
nmba1gi

Trad climber
North Bay
Nov 13, 2012 - 11:49pm PT
On another level I believe the military service question haunts every man of my generation (I'm 64): Specifically what were you supposed to do regarding Vietnam? No one was immune and we all live with our choice today and use time and circumstance to rationalize our decision.

Opposed to the war and killing - so do everything you can think of to get out of the draft (Canada, be a fairy at the induction physical, claim religious objection even if you were an atheist, march organize, tell your draft board to go to hell and take you licks in state prison.

For the war: Sign on, boy!

But in one sense it boils down (in retrospect) to defining yourself as a man. Our fathers all responded w/o hesitation to WWII. We pampered baby boomers weren't ready to don the olive drab and take a bullet for uncle. In the popular sense, however, there was no other measurement of manhood. I think that quandary was the silent partner to all our maneuvers during the time of Vietnam.

April 1967 I marched against the war in San Francisco.
July-sep 67 boot camp San Diego
sep 67-dec 67 comm school Norfolk
Jan 68-July 69 Navy Comm Sta Guam
Aug 69-Aug 70 navy support base cam ranh bay

My time in Vietnam, altho at times (infrequently) scary was nothing like what some of the posters went through.

The ambiguity of the whole thing, from moral decisions to manhood to an experience I'll never forget, stays with me

For me, at least, the real heroes of Vietnam were the people who said fu*k you to the whole thing and took the consequences and the people who slogged thru the jungle with three months boot camp and a little AIT.

The most contemptible are today's right wing power brokers and pundits who squirmed their way out.
dogtown

Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
Nov 14, 2012 - 12:00am PT
I am always amazed when this day comes once a year and everyone knows some one that is a Vet and in fact shows their appreciation for them.

The rest of the year, just like Christmas etc, all is forgotten.

Me, it was my chosen profession that I enjoyed thoroughly for 24 years, 3 months a 9 days which I gave my heart and soul to daily.

For those very few out there including here on ST that do think & show their respect and appreciation about us Vets on a regular basis, thank you.

(The Chief)

You hit the nail on the head Chief! I also thank all of you! You just don’t know how much it means to us to feel that love. I to was a chosen professional and would change only one thing. To win, winning is important. To crush them. Or don’t do it at all. War is not something you do half ass, it’s a pity we are doing it again leaving before we win. To waste American life to an ungrateful people again is more than one can bear.

Thank you, God blesses you all.

DT.
Gilroy

Social climber
Boulderado
Nov 14, 2012 - 01:00am PT
I am not necessarily in the Chief's boat (sic) on this subject, but more identify with the ambiguity nmba1gi addresses.

//But in one sense it boils down (in retrospect) to defining yourself as a man. Our fathers all responded w/o hesitation to WWII. We pampered baby boomers weren't ready to don the olive drab and take a bullet for uncle. In the popular sense, however, there was no other measurement of manhood. I think that quandary was the silent partner to all our maneuvers during the time of Vietnam.//

I was compelled by all the social forces of the times and in my young mind to oppose the war in Viet Nam. And I have opposed most of the conflicts we have engaged in since then, yet I could not leave the USA nor my family when I became eligible for the draft. Absolutely could not.

My father was 4-F deferred during WW II and regretted the classification strongly, to say the least. He expressed himself in absolute terms when I raised the subject of avoiding the draft and threatened to ostracize me from our family if I went to Canada. Ultimately, I enlisted with my draft notice in my back pocket.

As luck would have it, I did not have to go to war as noted in my first post upthread but I did experience what it was like to serve my country and it was a great opening of my understanding of service and patriotic duty.

Just living the life of a decent person in a spot on the map of a country is not near enough to repay the debt the opportunities given you deserve. My time in the military imbued me with a better understanding of citizenship beyond voting. I am still not a flag-waving republican sort but have seen the price paid by combat veterans and civilians alike who risked their wellbeing in service of others. We all owe this to each other and national service whether in the military or otherwise should be required IMHO.

To me, it was not a requirement for manhood but a sense of responsibility to our nation, my community, others who had served honorably and, ultimately, to my family that compelled me to enlist despite my ambiguity about the military at the time. This understanding became more clear to me over time. I just wish there was a non-military option for citizens to consider.

Keith
Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Nov 14, 2012 - 01:01am PT
Wow, this thread has deteriorated.

I was always impressed with people who could dedicate their entire life to the service. (Regardless of the branch) It's not an easy life for the service members or their families.

While many people out there believe that soldiers are war mongers looking to go fight fight fight, most of the soldiers I know who've been in a war setting prefer peace any day.

Looking at the history of some service members posting here, I realize how small my contributions were. A few Peace Keeping missions and minor conflict don't compare to what some here experienced in a single month in Vietnam, Korea or WWII.

While stationed in Germany, in the 90s, I was having a drink at a local tavern. A guy old enough to be my grandfather was next to me and we chatted, he spoke nearly perfect English. When I asked why he spoke English so Fluently, he said it was so he could "Kill American Soldiers during the Second World War." I went through every emotion in one second, I think he did too. Yes, people fight on both sides and believe they are right. With that said, I am naive enough to believe America is on the right side more often than not.

I don't glorify war, I hope America never has to fight one on it's soil. I would love to see a world where the military wasn't needed, but it won't be in my life time, nor my children's or grandchildren. As long a country has something that someone else wants, that country needs to defend itself. Technology is great, but as a former infantryman I know that the war or battle isn't won until people actually occupy the land.

On Veteran's Day this Year, I picked up War Letters, Edited by Andrew Carroll. the Legacy Project is doing what it can to preserve letter sent home from war, or from home to war. Mentioning it here in case of you who served have letters somewhere that need preserving.

ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:17pm PT
My father (who thankfully is still around) served as a cryptography officer in the Air Force during the Korean war.

He told me "Son, you are very lucky to live in this country, and you owe some kind of service to your country for this. It can be the Peace Corps, military, being involved in helping through volunteering, but you NEED to give something back to this country to help pay back for the ease of life and opportunity you've been born into"

I volunteered for the Army about 1 1/2 yrs later.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:46pm PT
Wow, this thread has deteriorated.


Not at all. A healthy two, three or four sided conversation is just what this country needs, AT ALL TIMES!
splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Nov 15, 2012 - 01:18pm PT
but you NEED to give something back to this country...
WORD!!!
jogill

climber
Colorado
Nov 15, 2012 - 01:25pm PT
Lt/Capt (USAF+Reserves)
1958-1962
Mostly on the Canadian border in Montana supporting round-the-clock B-52s and F101Bs.




For me, the most despicable kind of politician is a Chicken Hawk.
squishy

Mountain climber
Nov 15, 2012 - 03:55pm PT
No need for thanks, self-less service is self-less service. I actually don't like veterans day so much because it gives all those who have no clue a reason to try and sound like they do, to show gratitude for something they simply will never understand. I would prefer silence over gratitude. I would prefer support over praise. Give to your nearest veterans support groups, as most soldiers know, actions speak louder than words...
Blakey

Trad climber
Sierra Vista
Nov 15, 2012 - 04:19pm PT
I'd go with that Squishy.

Steve
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 17, 2012 - 03:49pm PT
SA Brian Bermingham
USN, 6-67/6-68.
USS Neversail, Treasure Is., CA

Short stay, long memories. Glad for the experience. Sad for those who fell in VN, and especially for these men of worth who were sacrificed for who knew what yet they did it for US.

I am cognizant that Memorial Day is more fitting for these personnel. However, any time we remember Vets, we should remember those who would gladly have lived to be Vets in the sense of Veterans' Day. They should be here but for the fately fingle of ficker.

Always remember. Never forget.

Credit: mouse from merced
Credit: mouse from merced
Credit: mouse from merced
Credit: mouse from merced
Credit: mouse from merced
(My apologies for the tardiness, but I had trouble locating these clippings.)

Ten-hut! Present--aarms!


I hope this jacks up this thread. You folks deserve the big bump. Thanks.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 6, 2013 - 08:33pm PT


http://mynorthwest.com/11/2387625/Local-WWII-Medal-of-Honor-recipient-John-Bud-Hawk-dies-at-age-89
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Nov 6, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
Not at all. A healthy two, three or four sided conversation is just what this country needs, AT ALL TIMES!

No sh#t. And not just your country, Bruce, but all countries.

I am the son of a professional soldier, who later traded in his military uniform and weapons for scrubs and a scalpel. A man who has seen it from all sides. When I was nearing high school graduation and told him I was going to sign up, he was seriously unhappy. But he backed me nonetheless.

My military career was relatively short and totally undistinguished, but it left its marks, and as John Gill said above, one of those marks is an intense disgust with chicken hawks.
Messages 61 - 80 of total 118 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
 
Our Guidebooks
Check 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks


Try a free sample topo!

 
SuperTopo on the Web

Review Categories
Recent Route Beta
Recent Gear Reviews