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Sport climber
Pinedale, Wyoming
Nov 8, 2013 - 12:11am PT

Check this out- I wouldn't have known who he was if I hadn't been jacked up by the TSA in Phoenix coming back from Mexico.

That morning, I returned my rental truck after dropping friends and husband and my luggage as well, off at the terminal. Our usual operation on these fishing safaris, is to throw the change in the cup holder during the week for the guy that cleans all the sand out of car or truck. BUT, once there to turn the truck in, I still needed a ride back to the terminal and I had nothing with me but a passport and credit card. YIKES. Survival instincts set in and I stole back the intended tip that was in the cup holder, and put that change into my pocket. I salvaged my good tourist juju by tipping the shuttle driver when he dropped me at the terminal-embarassment avoided.

Phoenix was the halfway point and we had to clear customs and go through security again. TSA had just received their new x-ray body scanner. Holy shit! All of a sudden I was told to drop my things and stand on the footprints so they could scan me with a wand. Then pat me down. They kept saying "what do you have in your pockets?" Nothing.!!.. my husband is standing by thinking "what did she do NOW?" My best friend took out her cell phone and started taking pictures of name tags. She was starting to freak- and I kept saying- "really, nothing". Next was a private room. Once in there I had to drop my pants. Now, being 59 at the time, I wasn't going to be caught dead in Granny Pants-I wear mine tight-my theory- use it or loose it- WTF- it was a 5 centavo piece the size of an average jean button stuck up in the seam of my pocket by my waistband- boy, I could do alot of damage with THAT! Am I gonna make my plane??? without a 1/4 mile dash??

I got home and I called my other best friend and told her the story. She said, Look up my Grandfather, Joe Foss, TSA *IN PHOENIX* took away his medal of honor when he was flying from his home (Scottsdale AZ) to an inauguration ball(that maybe my memory of what she told me) that he was invited to in Washington,DC. They took it because they thought it could potentially be a weapon because of the pins that can go through a coat. The TSA agents passed it around. No one knew what it was. My friend said that this event was probably listed on Google - when I did look her grandfather up, I found out General Joe Foss, USMC, was the highest scoring ACE pilot on record in WWII (and much more). He had a pretty amazing story. Direct flights from now on!!
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Nov 8, 2013 - 01:56am PT
I have such mixed feelings about Veteran's Day.

If we could separate the veteran's personal service from the sometimes-ugly-nationalism that drove their service, I would feel better about celebrating the holiday. Afterall, a individual man can serve honorably in a illegal or unjustified war, especially when it is learned later than his leader have lied.

(But don't all leaders lie all of the time anyway?)

So I salute all veterans who naively put their lives on "hold" in order to kill fellow human beings in the service of dishonest and greedy politicians who made decisions that alienated the people who later became our enemies with whom we eventually went to war and killed.


Sport climber
Pinedale, Wyoming
Nov 8, 2013 - 02:20am PT
Sierra Ledge Rat (what a great visual I have when I typed your "name"-)
I think you have to live it to get it.. Looking at THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX from a distance doesn't really get it. There are many more humanitarian efforts then there are war efforts. You'd be surprised..

The Germans "should" love us..they don't. But the South Koreans do love us and their enemy is as real today and as evil as it was 60+/- years ago. The old people haven't forgotten.

ZZZZZZZZ.. I'm done for the day..
(manemachen=horse mane braider..)

PS- DOGTOWN: my favorite movie- PATTON with George C Scott- the last lines sum up the whole thing..for centuries..
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Nov 8, 2013 - 04:18am PT
I think you have to live it to get it..

I have 10 years active duty in combat arms
Departed honorably as an O-4

I "get it"

Nov 8, 2013 - 07:42am PT
U.S. Army
Basic: Ft Leonard Wood
AIT: Ft. Bliss, Tx
3 years
Stationed: Edgewood Aresnal, MD.
Giessen, Germany

Vietnam Era
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Nov 8, 2013 - 09:18am PT
Well said Sierra Ledge Rat. Salute.

You too the Chief.

The best thing a person can do for vets is to shout loudly to our leaders - bring the boys back home. No more war.

Do it. Honor a vet. Stop rattling someone else's sword.


Trad climber
Nov 8, 2013 - 11:24am PT
MCRD San Diego
Camp Kinser, Okinawa
3rd Maint. Bn. CLR-35 ELMACO (Electronics Maint. Co.)
Calibrators... What a bunch of yahoos!

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 8, 2013 - 11:27am PT
Sierra Ledge Rat has my proxy. Well said, sir. John F Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson
can rot in hell. Hopefully Bush will soon join them.

Trad climber
Old Climbers' Home (Adopted)
Nov 8, 2013 - 11:41am PT
Name: Dave Daly (aka Mooch)

Branch of Service: USMC (Uncle Sam's Misguided Children)

Years of Service: 1983-2003

Where you Basic trained: Parris Island, SC (Boot Camp), Aug 1983

Where you were stationed: MCAS El Toro (CA), MCAS Kaneohe Bay (HI), MCAS Iwakuni (Japan), NAS Lemoore (CA). NAWS China Lske (CA), MCAS Miramar (CA)
Sea Time: (3 years - USS Ranger, USS Constellation, USS Nimitz, USS Abraham Lincoln, USS John C Stennis

If in a war where? ODS (Operation Desert Shield) & OEF (Operation Enduring Freedom)

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 8, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
Well done Mooch.

The full 20 in the beloved Corps. Takes a special breed.

Nov 8, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
Name: Scott Allen

Branch of Service: US Army

Years of Service: 1976 - 1980

Where you trained: Ft. Leonard Wood, MO, then Ft. Huachuca, AZ

Where you were stationed: B Co, 104th MI BN, Ft. Carson, CO

I stood with my fellow Veterans last night at a concert put on by a local high school. Great music following a program derived from the old Navy Hour radio show. No less than twenty World War 2 vets stood before the crowd to be recognized for their service. I felt honored that they let a kid like me stand with them.
The highlight for me was watching 3 young marines in full dress uniforms wait at the bottom of the stairs and thank each and every veteran for their service.
My thanks go out to all who served. And I have a special place in my heart for Mr. Jim Kollias, band director at Beckman High School in Irvine, CA who goes out of his way every year to honor those served in the Armed Forces.

Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
Nov 8, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
@ Mooch: University of Science, Music and Culture!

Semper Fi Bro, and Happy Birthday to our Corps!

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Nov 8, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
As I said upthread, I was stationed near Pusan Korea 74 -75. I'll say one thing, I met some real nice climbers there that showed me some cool routes. These two are on a wall that is now pretty much all sport, not back then. I think they were in the 5.8 to 5.9 range, we were doing most of these in big boots or gray suede shoes with stoppers, hexes and a stich plate.

Busan, Korea
Busan, Korea
Credit: ydpl8s

Busan, Korea
Busan, Korea
Credit: ydpl8s

Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
Nov 8, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
You know, I have mixed feelings about this "holiday." I loved the Army and didn't want to get out. When I joined at 36, I fully intended in putting in many years. I was to learn the hard way that brotherhood was frequently only extended to brothers, not sisters. God forbid a woman stand up and report a rape. Talk about ostracism and lack of support. It is disgusting how manystill believe we have no business in the Armed Forces. But whatever, not my problem. I am told by people: you're not a real Vet because you didn't deploy, because you got out, because you werent combat arms, etcetcetc. I'm also told I don't deserve my disability benefits because of those reasons and one person informed me that rape shouldn't be covered at all,in any way. I'm still plotting revenge on that guy. I usually blow these dicks off. It's when my friends or people that I assume are supportive share these negative opinions. I guess that's life though. Maybe they're just bitter because I get free Subway.. lol and the hippies just crack me up :)

In the end, I AM a Veteren, regardless of these silly opinions. I work at being available for other women Vets who suffer from MST (and men too). I'm grateful for the support I get and am always open about my experience so that perhaps I can still be of service. I forgot who said it above but I too prefer silence to gratitude or pity, in my case. It's just something I chose to do.


Sport climber
Pinedale, Wyoming
Nov 8, 2013 - 04:26pm PT
Sierra Ledge Rat- my apology for the oversight- I did see the photo of you in your flight suit- kinda cute there. I was worn down a bit after reading Karl's posts which are thoughts similar to mine sometimes when watching the evening news..Working ATOC gave me a chance to see simultaneous operations going on within the Pacific theater. Things such as "Burn Flights" coming from Marine bases in Asia to the burn center in Texas. Special Handling flights which included soldiers heading home the last time, Food and Supplies to the '88 fires in Yellowstone and even, I remember that it was the Air Force that responded to the "delightful" task of recovering stinking bloated bodies from the Jonestown massacre and returning the dead US citizens to Dover Delaware in a C-5. For me, the military was always people supporting other people to make a bad situation a little better. F*#k the (intrinsically embedded) politics..which Yes, are VERY DIFFICULT to overlook. It was unintended, but I received more than I gave.
YAK, YAK, Type, Type. But, please accept my apology..
("Sierra Ledge Rat" made me remember the big tree growing about 1/8th of the way up El Cap on a ledge- had not thought of that in 30 years).

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 11, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
Michelle, I know you feel dissed. And from what I've heard you f*#king should be!

Some of us respect your attempts to serve the country, and indeed, think of you as a vet. I do.

I regret never serving my country. I was a bit of an anti-military brat when I was younger. I was stupid.

Let's go climbing again, Michelle. I'll call it 'take a Vet climbing day'. But let's just do it.


Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 11, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
Having never done a day's service to the country in my life, my hat is off to ALL you Veterans. I don't care if your unit were the ones in the dark with fixed bayonets, sneaking around looking to make contact with the enemy, or if your entire military career was spent in Monterey California, on National Guard duty, working the mess hall one weekend a month making sure everybody got something to eat. You all are tougher than I am, and a hell of a lot more responsible. I'm glad I don't have to think about how things would be without people like you.


Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Nov 11, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
Name: Scott Leeper
Branch of Service: Army
Years of Service: 8
Where you Basic trained:Fort Leonard Wood
Where you were stationed: Stuttgart Deutschland
If in a war where? no thank God

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 11, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
I will salute all Taco Vets and those outside the TacoStand. And this includes Dingus Milktoast.

God bless all our vets! I should not not have to say this, but I f*#king will! I respect the Armed Services and what they do.

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 11, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
Thanks for the typical sanctimonious crap Karl.

This thread is to honor vets. Who do fight for peace and freedoms, the very ones u enjoy.


I was going to say the same thing, Scott.

Hey, Chief, some people do respect your service. My Gramps was a Navy man.
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