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manemachen
Sport climber
Pinedale, Wyoming
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Sierra Ledge Rat (what a great visual I have when I typed your "name"-)
I think you have to live it to get it.. Looking at THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX from a distance doesn't really get it. There are many more humanitarian efforts then there are war efforts. You'd be surprised..
The Germans "should" love us..they don't. But the South Koreans do love us and their enemy is as real today and as evil as it was 60+/- years ago. The old people haven't forgotten.
ZZZZZZZZ.. I'm done for the day..
(manemachen=horse mane braider..)
PS- DOGTOWN: my favorite movie- PATTON with George C Scott- the last lines sum up the whole thing..for centuries..
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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I think you have to live it to get it..
I have 10 years active duty in combat arms
Departed honorably as an O-4
I "get it"
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jopay
climber
so.il
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Payne
U.S. Army
Basic: Ft Leonard Wood
AIT: Ft. Bliss, Tx
3 years
SP5-E5
Stationed: Edgewood Aresnal, MD.
Giessen, Germany
1966-69
Vietnam Era
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macleodnc
Trad climber
ca
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Macleod
USMC
MCRD San Diego
2007-2011
Camp Kinser, Okinawa
3rd Maint. Bn. CLR-35 ELMACO (Electronics Maint. Co.)
Calibrators... What a bunch of yahoos!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sierra Ledge Rat has my proxy. Well said, sir. John F Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson
can rot in hell. Hopefully Bush will soon join them.
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mooch
Trad climber
Old Climbers' Home (Adopted)
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Name: Dave Daly (aka Mooch)
Branch of Service: USMC (Uncle Sam's Misguided Children)
Years of Service: 1983-2003
Where you Basic trained: Parris Island, SC (Boot Camp), Aug 1983
Where you were stationed: MCAS El Toro (CA), MCAS Kaneohe Bay (HI), MCAS Iwakuni (Japan), NAS Lemoore (CA). NAWS China Lske (CA), MCAS Miramar (CA)
Sea Time: (3 years - USS Ranger, USS Constellation, USS Nimitz, USS Abraham Lincoln, USS John C Stennis
If in a war where? ODS (Operation Desert Shield) & OEF (Operation Enduring Freedom)
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Well done Mooch.
The full 20 in the beloved Corps. Takes a special breed.
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Barbarian
climber
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Name: Scott Allen
Branch of Service: US Army
Years of Service: 1976 - 1980
Where you trained: Ft. Leonard Wood, MO, then Ft. Huachuca, AZ
Where you were stationed: B Co, 104th MI BN, Ft. Carson, CO
I stood with my fellow Veterans last night at a concert put on by a local high school. Great music following a program derived from the old Navy Hour radio show. No less than twenty World War 2 vets stood before the crowd to be recognized for their service. I felt honored that they let a kid like me stand with them.
The highlight for me was watching 3 young marines in full dress uniforms wait at the bottom of the stairs and thank each and every veteran for their service.
My thanks go out to all who served. And I have a special place in my heart for Mr. Jim Kollias, band director at Beckman High School in Irvine, CA who goes out of his way every year to honor those served in the Armed Forces.
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Evel
Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
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@ Mooch: University of Science, Music and Culture!
Semper Fi Bro, and Happy Birthday to our Corps!
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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As I said upthread, I was stationed near Pusan Korea 74 -75. I'll say one thing, I met some real nice climbers there that showed me some cool routes. These two are on a wall that is now pretty much all sport, not back then. I think they were in the 5.8 to 5.9 range, we were doing most of these in big boots or gray suede shoes with stoppers, hexes and a stich plate.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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You know, I have mixed feelings about this "holiday." I loved the Army and didn't want to get out. When I joined at 36, I fully intended in putting in many years. I was to learn the hard way that brotherhood was frequently only extended to brothers, not sisters. God forbid a woman stand up and report a rape. Talk about ostracism and lack of support. It is disgusting how manystill believe we have no business in the Armed Forces. But whatever, not my problem. I am told by people: you're not a real Vet because you didn't deploy, because you got out, because you werent combat arms, etcetcetc. I'm also told I don't deserve my disability benefits because of those reasons and one person informed me that rape shouldn't be covered at all,in any way. I'm still plotting revenge on that guy. I usually blow these dicks off. It's when my friends or people that I assume are supportive share these negative opinions. I guess that's life though. Maybe they're just bitter because I get free Subway.. lol and the hippies just crack me up :)
In the end, I AM a Veteren, regardless of these silly opinions. I work at being available for other women Vets who suffer from MST (and men too). I'm grateful for the support I get and am always open about my experience so that perhaps I can still be of service. I forgot who said it above but I too prefer silence to gratitude or pity, in my case. It's just something I chose to do.
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manemachen
Sport climber
Pinedale, Wyoming
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Sierra Ledge Rat- my apology for the oversight- I did see the photo of you in your flight suit- kinda cute there. I was worn down a bit after reading Karl's posts which are thoughts similar to mine sometimes when watching the evening news..Working ATOC gave me a chance to see simultaneous operations going on within the Pacific theater. Things such as "Burn Flights" coming from Marine bases in Asia to the burn center in Texas. Special Handling flights which included soldiers heading home the last time, Food and Supplies to the '88 fires in Yellowstone and even, I remember that it was the Air Force that responded to the "delightful" task of recovering stinking bloated bodies from the Jonestown massacre and returning the dead US citizens to Dover Delaware in a C-5. For me, the military was always people supporting other people to make a bad situation a little better. F*#k the (intrinsically embedded) politics..which Yes, are VERY DIFFICULT to overlook. It was unintended, but I received more than I gave.
YAK, YAK, Type, Type. But, please accept my apology..
("Sierra Ledge Rat" made me remember the big tree growing about 1/8th of the way up El Cap on a ledge- had not thought of that in 30 years).
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 11, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
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Michelle, I know you feel dissed. And from what I've heard you f*#king should be!
Some of us respect your attempts to serve the country, and indeed, think of you as a vet. I do.
I regret never serving my country. I was a bit of an anti-military brat when I was younger. I was stupid.
Let's go climbing again, Michelle. I'll call it 'take a Vet climbing day'. But let's just do it.
Cheers!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 11, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
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Having never done a day's service to the country in my life, my hat is off to ALL you Veterans. I don't care if your unit were the ones in the dark with fixed bayonets, sneaking around looking to make contact with the enemy, or if your entire military career was spent in Monterey California, on National Guard duty, working the mess hall one weekend a month making sure everybody got something to eat. You all are tougher than I am, and a hell of a lot more responsible. I'm glad I don't have to think about how things would be without people like you.
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Nov 11, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
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Name: Scott Leeper
Branch of Service: Army
Years of Service: 8
Where you Basic trained:Fort Leonard Wood
Where you were stationed: Stuttgart Deutschland
If in a war where? no thank God
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 11, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
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I will salute all Taco Vets and those outside the TacoStand. And this includes Dingus Milktoast.
God bless all our vets! I should not not have to say this, but I f*#king will! I respect the Armed Services and what they do.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 11, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
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Thanks for the typical sanctimonious crap Karl.
This thread is to honor vets. Who do fight for peace and freedoms, the very ones u enjoy.
Shameful!
I was going to say the same thing, Scott.
Hey, Chief, some people do respect your service. My Gramps was a Navy man.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Nov 11, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
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Thanks bluey! Now that I'm robotized, we need to make a plan pronto. I lost your number again and mines different so I'll pm you.
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Nov 11, 2013 - 11:15pm PT
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Enlisted during Viet Nam but the Paris Peace Accord was signed while I was in Basic and the worst I had to do was go to Kansas.
I love this line, Gilroy!
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