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Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:17pm PT
My father (who thankfully is still around) served as a cryptography officer in the Air Force during the Korean war.

He told me "Son, you are very lucky to live in this country, and you owe some kind of service to your country for this. It can be the Peace Corps, military, being involved in helping through volunteering, but you NEED to give something back to this country to help pay back for the ease of life and opportunity you've been born into"

I volunteered for the Army about 1 1/2 yrs later.

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:46pm PT
Wow, this thread has deteriorated.

Not at all. A healthy two, three or four sided conversation is just what this country needs, AT ALL TIMES!

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Nov 15, 2012 - 01:18pm PT
but you NEED to give something back to this country...

Nov 15, 2012 - 01:25pm PT
Lt/Capt (USAF+Reserves)
Mostly on the Canadian border in Montana supporting round-the-clock B-52s and F101Bs.

For me, the most despicable kind of politician is a Chicken Hawk.

Mountain climber
Nov 15, 2012 - 03:55pm PT
No need for thanks, self-less service is self-less service. I actually don't like veterans day so much because it gives all those who have no clue a reason to try and sound like they do, to show gratitude for something they simply will never understand. I would prefer silence over gratitude. I would prefer support over praise. Give to your nearest veterans support groups, as most soldiers know, actions speak louder than words...

Trad climber
Sierra Vista
Nov 15, 2012 - 04:19pm PT
I'd go with that Squishy.

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 17, 2012 - 03:49pm PT
SA Brian Bermingham
USN, 6-67/6-68.
USS Neversail, Treasure Is., CA

Short stay, long memories. Glad for the experience. Sad for those who fell in VN, and especially for these men of worth who were sacrificed for who knew what yet they did it for US.

I am cognizant that Memorial Day is more fitting for these personnel. However, any time we remember Vets, we should remember those who would gladly have lived to be Vets in the sense of Veterans' Day. They should be here but for the fately fingle of ficker.

Always remember. Never forget.

Credit: mouse from merced
Credit: mouse from merced
Credit: mouse from merced
Credit: mouse from merced
Credit: mouse from merced
(My apologies for the tardiness, but I had trouble locating these clippings.)

Ten-hut! Present--aarms!

I hope this jacks up this thread. You folks deserve the big bump. Thanks.

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 6, 2013 - 08:33pm PT

A long way from where I started
Nov 6, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
Not at all. A healthy two, three or four sided conversation is just what this country needs, AT ALL TIMES!

No sh#t. And not just your country, Bruce, but all countries.

I am the son of a professional soldier, who later traded in his military uniform and weapons for scrubs and a scalpel. A man who has seen it from all sides. When I was nearing high school graduation and told him I was going to sign up, he was seriously unhappy. But he backed me nonetheless.

My military career was relatively short and totally undistinguished, but it left its marks, and as John Gill said above, one of those marks is an intense disgust with chicken hawks.

Sport climber
Pinedale, Wyoming
Nov 7, 2013 - 11:26pm PT
Marian (Joerres) Gants
USAF 1975-1979
Basic Training: Lackland AFB, TX
E-4 1st Aerial Port, Dyess, TX
Drop Zone, Air Freight, Heavy Equipment Operator
Rhein Main AB Germany
Transportation Special Equipment
Garmisch-Partenkirchen (Berchtesgaden) Ski Patrol Winter 1977-1978
USAFR 1985-1989
E-5 Air Terminal Operation Control (ATOC)
Georgia, Washington State, Alaska, South Korea, Hawaii, Philippines, Germany
Vietnam Era
Desert Shield
Desert Storm

People say, "Thank you for your service." my reply, "It was an honor."


Pasadena, CA
Nov 7, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
Worth a visit is the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Angel Fire, NM near Taos. It's a stunning setting in the mountains with a little something for all--a Huey, a garden, a chapel, a museum, a room for veterans to log their visit and connect with their fellow soldiers and sailors.
Privately owned at one time, now a state park.
Chapel, Angel Fire NM
Chapel, Angel Fire NM
Credit: Bluelens

Sport climber
Pinedale, Wyoming
Nov 8, 2013 - 12:11am PT

Check this out- I wouldn't have known who he was if I hadn't been jacked up by the TSA in Phoenix coming back from Mexico.

That morning, I returned my rental truck after dropping friends and husband and my luggage as well, off at the terminal. Our usual operation on these fishing safaris, is to throw the change in the cup holder during the week for the guy that cleans all the sand out of car or truck. BUT, once there to turn the truck in, I still needed a ride back to the terminal and I had nothing with me but a passport and credit card. YIKES. Survival instincts set in and I stole back the intended tip that was in the cup holder, and put that change into my pocket. I salvaged my good tourist juju by tipping the shuttle driver when he dropped me at the terminal-embarassment avoided.

Phoenix was the halfway point and we had to clear customs and go through security again. TSA had just received their new x-ray body scanner. Holy shit! All of a sudden I was told to drop my things and stand on the footprints so they could scan me with a wand. Then pat me down. They kept saying "what do you have in your pockets?" Nothing.!!.. my husband is standing by thinking "what did she do NOW?" My best friend took out her cell phone and started taking pictures of name tags. She was starting to freak- and I kept saying- "really, nothing". Next was a private room. Once in there I had to drop my pants. Now, being 59 at the time, I wasn't going to be caught dead in Granny Pants-I wear mine tight-my theory- use it or loose it- WTF- it was a 5 centavo piece the size of an average jean button stuck up in the seam of my pocket by my waistband- boy, I could do alot of damage with THAT! Am I gonna make my plane??? without a 1/4 mile dash??

I got home and I called my other best friend and told her the story. She said, Look up my Grandfather, Joe Foss, TSA *IN PHOENIX* took away his medal of honor when he was flying from his home (Scottsdale AZ) to an inauguration ball(that maybe my memory of what she told me) that he was invited to in Washington,DC. They took it because they thought it could potentially be a weapon because of the pins that can go through a coat. The TSA agents passed it around. No one knew what it was. My friend said that this event was probably listed on Google - when I did look her grandfather up, I found out General Joe Foss, USMC, was the highest scoring ACE pilot on record in WWII (and much more). He had a pretty amazing story. Direct flights from now on!!
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Nov 8, 2013 - 01:56am PT
I have such mixed feelings about Veteran's Day.

If we could separate the veteran's personal service from the sometimes-ugly-nationalism that drove their service, I would feel better about celebrating the holiday. Afterall, a individual man can serve honorably in a illegal or unjustified war, especially when it is learned later than his leader have lied.

(But don't all leaders lie all of the time anyway?)

So I salute all veterans who naively put their lives on "hold" in order to kill fellow human beings in the service of dishonest and greedy politicians who made decisions that alienated the people who later became our enemies with whom we eventually went to war and killed.


Sport climber
Pinedale, Wyoming
Nov 8, 2013 - 02:20am PT
Sierra Ledge Rat (what a great visual I have when I typed your "name"-)
I think you have to live it to get it.. Looking at THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX from a distance doesn't really get it. There are many more humanitarian efforts then there are war efforts. You'd be surprised..

The Germans "should" love us..they don't. But the South Koreans do love us and their enemy is as real today and as evil as it was 60+/- years ago. The old people haven't forgotten.

ZZZZZZZZ.. I'm done for the day..
(manemachen=horse mane braider..)

PS- DOGTOWN: my favorite movie- PATTON with George C Scott- the last lines sum up the whole thing..for centuries..
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Nov 8, 2013 - 04:18am PT
I think you have to live it to get it..

I have 10 years active duty in combat arms
Departed honorably as an O-4

I "get it"

Nov 8, 2013 - 07:42am PT
U.S. Army
Basic: Ft Leonard Wood
AIT: Ft. Bliss, Tx
3 years
Stationed: Edgewood Aresnal, MD.
Giessen, Germany

Vietnam Era
The Chief

From the Land of the Mongols
Nov 8, 2013 - 09:04am PT
This is what Veteran's Day should be on a daily basis...

13 Marines get impromptu Chicago airport welcome.

CHICAGO (AP) It didn't matter that the 13 Marines on their way home from Afghanistan had been fighting in a war that no longer dominates the news or that they were stopping only for a short time in Chicago before flying to San Diego.

When USO volunteer John Colas heard with just an hour's notice that the Marines' plane was bearing down on Chicago's O'Hare International Airport, he and others scrambled to make sure they got a hero's welcome.

"We want these kids coming home to realize that they haven't been forgotten," said Colas, a 74-year-old former Marine.

The reception started with a water salute in which their plane taxied underneath an arch of water from fire truck hoses.

The Marines, who had spent the better part of five days getting on and off planes to get home from the other side of the world, were then met by a small crowd of cheering USO volunteers, firefighters, police officers and airport workers as they walked into the terminal.

A short time later, boarding another jet for San Diego, the Marines learned that American Airlines which has a policy to upgrade servicemen and women in uniform whenever possible had six empty seats in first class for the group.

That gesture was followed by seven first-class passengers who jumped out of their seats for the other Marines so they could sit together.

Thank you all who have served our Nation in uniform. There are many citizens out there that take our service for granted. That don't matter none. Because for most of us that served, we did not do it for them. We did it for one another. We learned how to put our differences aside and if the time ever came, we would without hesitation, take the bullet for one another. We will continue that unwritten oath till the day we die.

I leave you with this heartwarming tale...

Flight turns unforgettable when passengers learn of fallen soldier.

Delta Flight 2255 from Atlanta to Los Angeles seemed to be an ordinary flight with the exception of Candy, who was the most loving flight attendant Ive ever encountered. Besides using her Southern charm to quickly defuse every situation, she began her welcome announcement by thanking the handful of uniformed soldiers on-board for serving our country. Her poignant message was followed by applause, and it put into perspective that none of us would be able to do what we do without these brave men and women.

But this transcontinental flight turned out to be everything but ordinary. We later learned, when the captain got on the PA system about 45 minutes prior to landing, that we were transporting a fallen soldier. The plane went quiet as he explained that there was a military escort on-board and asked that everyone remain seated for a couple of minutes so the soldiers could get off first. He also warned us not to be alarmed if we see fire trucks since Los Angeles greets their fallen military with a water canon salute. See my video below.

A few minutes after touchdown, we did indeed have a water canon salute, which Id previously only experienced on happy occasions like inaugural flights. This time, the water glistening on the windowpanes looked like tears.

When the jet door opened, another military officer addressed the escort who was standing at attention. He then stepped on the plane and told us passengers I just addressed the escort. It is a sworn oath to bring home, to the family, the fallen. He paused and then said, Today you all did that, you are all escorts, escorts of the heart. And then thanked us for our time and walked off the plane.

3JAN1975 - 19JUN1999
NAS Lemoore SAR
VXE-SIX (TAD NAS Lemoore/Fallon SAR)
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Nov 8, 2013 - 09:18am PT
Well said Sierra Ledge Rat. Salute.

You too the Chief.

The best thing a person can do for vets is to shout loudly to our leaders - bring the boys back home. No more war.

Do it. Honor a vet. Stop rattling someone else's sword.


Trad climber
Nov 8, 2013 - 11:24am PT
MCRD San Diego
Camp Kinser, Okinawa
3rd Maint. Bn. CLR-35 ELMACO (Electronics Maint. Co.)
Calibrators... What a bunch of yahoos!

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 8, 2013 - 11:27am PT
Sierra Ledge Rat has my proxy. Well said, sir. John F Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson
can rot in hell. Hopefully Bush will soon join them.
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